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Forgive my misunderstanding, but I thought the tea anecdote was being presented as an example of TCM.mater deum wrote:I don't think a TCM doctor would simply hand out a tea or two. They do train their patients for lifestyle changes. I'm sure a TCM doctor would have said to me, "well, stop eating such rich food then."
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PubMed to the rescue. I found some references to using oil as a mouthwash that showed increased resistance to plaque formation, similar to other antiseptic mouth rinses, and I'm sure we're all aware of the studies that link mouth health/infection with systemic health. So, as with most of this alternative medicine stuff, there may be some kernel of truth in it, but it's probably not everything people say it is.
I also created an Oil pulling article on Wikipedia, already #8 on the Google.
I also created an Oil pulling article on Wikipedia, already #8 on the Google.
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Hello everyone. My first post here and something of a novelty as I'm usually rather adverse to the skeptic's bias, finding instead that life is much more fun by entertaining, practicing, experiementing and in general testing the experiential value of notions that would more often than not arouse the skeptic's intelectual scorn.
I'm posting here because I've been practicing oil pulling for about two weeks after I first reading of it on a cancer forum and because of the dispointing quality of the posts so far from a research perspective, which also includes the woeful Wikipedea entry. A came across this forum by way of research into oil pulling in general.
So getting into it, what can we know of Oil pulling? In my casual research, I've only managed to find two websites of any real worth. They are:
www.oilpulling.com/faq.htm
www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html
Lets start with the Oil Pulling website for those who care to read it.
It points to the practice as first being recorded in the "Charaka Samhita," the main text from which Ayurveda practice is taught and which is dated in part C.1000bc. (Charaka Samhita) It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be any complete online versions of this text as I'd like to see what it actually said. The closest I could find was here
which has next to bugger all of the origional texts so I'll take it on faith that the 'Oil Pulling' site has a practically useful cite which reads,
Given that most dental health problems such as decay and gingivitus are seen to have a bacterial cause then the first thing to look at would be the antibacterial properties of the oils being used.
From the Q&A on the second site we read that various fatty acids such as oleic, linoleic and lauric found in many vegetable oils that are either antimicrobal, antifungal or antiviral or a combination of the three. It also mentions on the site that once used, the oil contains 1000's of 'living' organisms and so should not be swallowed. This seems to be something of a contrdiction but as the full process isn't understood yet, I'll let it pass. It also mentions the mode of microbial excretion is through the saliva which makes more sense than directly through the blood vessels of the mouth. The membranes of the mouth can also absorb nutrients. If it takes 20 minutes for blood to circulate through the entire body, then it's plausable that toxins and microbs in the blood would pass across the great surface areas of the salivary glands and membranes of the mouth. Such toxins and organisms would normally be swallowed and recycled back into the body. An extra control to the 'grass killing' experiements should also be not swallowing for 20 minutes and then spitting out the contents of your mouth onto the grass.
Saliva has a complex array of digestive emzymes which I imagin would breakdown the oils to some degree creating other components which could also impact upon the process. Chewing bread for just seven minutes is enough for the saliva to break down carbohydrates into simple sugars which then taste sweet. This said, the action of the saliva itself upon the oil cannot be discounted.
But in light of the obvious lack of scientific research into Oil Pulling, it's my simplistic opinion that the process could work more by entrappment of the microbals in the longchain oil molecules. I'm not educated enough to understand other chemical or biological processes and so am 'practicing' oil pulling instead to see what it does.
During this practice I've used 2 oils. Virgin Olive oil and cheap sunflower oil of unknown extraction meathod. The websites say that only sesame and sunflower oils are truely effective. In my 2 weeks of practice I've found the olive oil far superior to the sunflower which I later switched to after I eventually purchased some. With the olive oil there was a dramatic improvment to the colour of my gums which have suffered years of gingivitus. There was also an obvious whitening of my teeth. These improvements seem to have been lost since I switched to the sunflower oil.
As for the grass killing experiment, I have no clue as to what benifit such an experiement would have. It seems an irrational invention so completely missing the point but which seems so typical of the average skeptical mindset. I've read nothing in the claims about the ability of spent oil to kill grass so why test it? It's nothing but a stawman.
Darryl
I'm posting here because I've been practicing oil pulling for about two weeks after I first reading of it on a cancer forum and because of the dispointing quality of the posts so far from a research perspective, which also includes the woeful Wikipedea entry. A came across this forum by way of research into oil pulling in general.
So getting into it, what can we know of Oil pulling? In my casual research, I've only managed to find two websites of any real worth. They are:
www.oilpulling.com/faq.htm
www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html
Lets start with the Oil Pulling website for those who care to read it.
It points to the practice as first being recorded in the "Charaka Samhita," the main text from which Ayurveda practice is taught and which is dated in part C.1000bc. (Charaka Samhita) It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be any complete online versions of this text as I'd like to see what it actually said. The closest I could find was here
which has next to bugger all of the origional texts so I'll take it on faith that the 'Oil Pulling' site has a practically useful cite which reads,
There is nothing here claimed beyond oral health and so no reason to tout other benifits without some amount of evidence. That being said, I'm not here going to look at other health benifits outside of the origional claims of improved oral health.by OP with til-taila (sesame oil) teeth are not affected with cavities and they become firm rooted. Teeth pain and sensitivity to sour items will be healed and one will be able to chew the hardest items.
Given that most dental health problems such as decay and gingivitus are seen to have a bacterial cause then the first thing to look at would be the antibacterial properties of the oils being used.
From the Q&A on the second site we read that various fatty acids such as oleic, linoleic and lauric found in many vegetable oils that are either antimicrobal, antifungal or antiviral or a combination of the three. It also mentions on the site that once used, the oil contains 1000's of 'living' organisms and so should not be swallowed. This seems to be something of a contrdiction but as the full process isn't understood yet, I'll let it pass. It also mentions the mode of microbial excretion is through the saliva which makes more sense than directly through the blood vessels of the mouth. The membranes of the mouth can also absorb nutrients. If it takes 20 minutes for blood to circulate through the entire body, then it's plausable that toxins and microbs in the blood would pass across the great surface areas of the salivary glands and membranes of the mouth. Such toxins and organisms would normally be swallowed and recycled back into the body. An extra control to the 'grass killing' experiements should also be not swallowing for 20 minutes and then spitting out the contents of your mouth onto the grass.
Saliva has a complex array of digestive emzymes which I imagin would breakdown the oils to some degree creating other components which could also impact upon the process. Chewing bread for just seven minutes is enough for the saliva to break down carbohydrates into simple sugars which then taste sweet. This said, the action of the saliva itself upon the oil cannot be discounted.
But in light of the obvious lack of scientific research into Oil Pulling, it's my simplistic opinion that the process could work more by entrappment of the microbals in the longchain oil molecules. I'm not educated enough to understand other chemical or biological processes and so am 'practicing' oil pulling instead to see what it does.
During this practice I've used 2 oils. Virgin Olive oil and cheap sunflower oil of unknown extraction meathod. The websites say that only sesame and sunflower oils are truely effective. In my 2 weeks of practice I've found the olive oil far superior to the sunflower which I later switched to after I eventually purchased some. With the olive oil there was a dramatic improvment to the colour of my gums which have suffered years of gingivitus. There was also an obvious whitening of my teeth. These improvements seem to have been lost since I switched to the sunflower oil.
As for the grass killing experiment, I have no clue as to what benifit such an experiement would have. It seems an irrational invention so completely missing the point but which seems so typical of the average skeptical mindset. I've read nothing in the claims about the ability of spent oil to kill grass so why test it? It's nothing but a stawman.
Darryl
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To heck with intellectual scorn.
Welcome to the conversations, Ragman.
I agree that extra virgin olive oil is superior to most oils. It is very foodie, reminds me of the stories of Roman times, where a crust of bread with oil was considered a meal fit for most people.
Good luck with your experiment, you make me want to try it. I'm getting old and my teeth are developing difficulties.
Welcome to the conversations, Ragman.
I agree that extra virgin olive oil is superior to most oils. It is very foodie, reminds me of the stories of Roman times, where a crust of bread with oil was considered a meal fit for most people.
Good luck with your experiment, you make me want to try it. I'm getting old and my teeth are developing difficulties.
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That, if you are not familiar with it, is a joke about the word assume.
Essentially, I called anyone making an assumption an ass.
The expression goes, that " the word assume, with the lines ass / u /me shows that to assume often makes an ass out of you and me".
I was making a wry comment, or joke. I should remember to insert smiley faces. However, I will admit I am not any friendlier than the company I keep. It is a learned response from company in the workplace that is less friendly that any that you can even imagine. I try not to show teeth at people undeserving of it, but I do slip up. In that case, the expression I use has more to do with attempting to breathe when both feet are firmly shoved in my mouth.
Essentially, I called anyone making an assumption an ass.
The expression goes, that " the word assume, with the lines ass / u /me shows that to assume often makes an ass out of you and me".
I was making a wry comment, or joke. I should remember to insert smiley faces. However, I will admit I am not any friendlier than the company I keep. It is a learned response from company in the workplace that is less friendly that any that you can even imagine. I try not to show teeth at people undeserving of it, but I do slip up. In that case, the expression I use has more to do with attempting to breathe when both feet are firmly shoved in my mouth.
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In response to Thylacine's comment, "Our livers have evolved over hundreds of millions of years to deal with unwelcome chemicals in our bloodstream." yes , you are correct but that does not mean that they are 100% effective. Lead, mercury, and other harmful metals and toxins can build up our systems to dangerous levels and also applies to all animals. That's why you should not eat carp and very little Tuna.
What the liver can not filter out properly can be released in other ways and sweating is a good example. After a deep sweat, which comes after 20 minutes of continuous perspiration, has shown to contain heavy metals, pestacides and the like. That is why studies have shown that people who exercise moderately AND use a sauna(which is great for deep sweating) have almost as low cancer rates as long-distance runners who also deep sweat.
Our bodies function wonderfully but not perfectly. We naturally release pain killers into our blood stream but sometimes we need to take an aspirin. Our bodies naturally fight off infection and heal burns but we may also need aloe vera. Both aloe and aspirin are plant based remedies.
I am considering Oil Pulling (interestingly enough that is how I found this web site) because I have seen how other alternative medicines work marvels. I started taking Echinacea 5 years ago when I had bronchitis for over a month and no prescription based medicines were helping me. Not only did it knock out the bronch but I have only been sick once in 5 years and that was only a mild cold.
Be skeptical, but don't arbitrarily write things off just because it's new to you.
What the liver can not filter out properly can be released in other ways and sweating is a good example. After a deep sweat, which comes after 20 minutes of continuous perspiration, has shown to contain heavy metals, pestacides and the like. That is why studies have shown that people who exercise moderately AND use a sauna(which is great for deep sweating) have almost as low cancer rates as long-distance runners who also deep sweat.
Our bodies function wonderfully but not perfectly. We naturally release pain killers into our blood stream but sometimes we need to take an aspirin. Our bodies naturally fight off infection and heal burns but we may also need aloe vera. Both aloe and aspirin are plant based remedies.
I am considering Oil Pulling (interestingly enough that is how I found this web site) because I have seen how other alternative medicines work marvels. I started taking Echinacea 5 years ago when I had bronchitis for over a month and no prescription based medicines were helping me. Not only did it knock out the bronch but I have only been sick once in 5 years and that was only a mild cold.
Be skeptical, but don't arbitrarily write things off just because it's new to you.
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I took echinacea for a few years, but I still got sick. I also used to get a yearly bronchial cough that would last for weeks, when I was a smoker, but they went away by themselves (several years *before* I quit smoking).JohnnyBlaze wrote:I started taking Echinacea 5 years ago when I had bronchitis for over a month and no prescription based medicines were helping me. Not only did it knock out the bronch but I have only been sick once in 5 years and that was only a mild cold.
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JohnnyBlaze wrote:. I am considering Oil Pulling (interestingly enough that is how I found this web site) because I have seen how other alternative medicines work marvels.
I imagine many would agree that alternative methods can be helpful.
That however, doesn't mean every alternative treatment is effective. Oils can be absorbed transdermally.
Note the warnings when handling used motor oil. Those compounds can be absorbed through the skin.
Some professional physique champions tire of constantly acting as human pin cushions so some have applied their "super supplements" by rubbing on the oil based preparation and then chasing it with DMSO to facilitate the absorption through the skin.
In all these examples, it's the compound going into the skin, not the reverse.
The mucous membranes of the mouth are even more porous than the exterior skin. It would seem likely than oil in the mouth would cross "in" versus pull "out."
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to Ragman/Darryl
You may want to try oil pulling with virgin coconut oil. It is a real taste treat, as well as having great teeth whitening ability. One of the common benefits of OP is clearing up skin problems. I'm guessing this is so because the skin is a major detox organ, and anything that pulls toxins out of us will take a burden off of the skin.
It is possible that sunflower and sesame oil are the recommended oils because they are common in India, where OP originated. On the oil pulling forum (link below), members are reporting experimenting with positive results with a wide variety of oils: walnut, pumpkin seed, hemp (no, it doesn't make you high), flax seed oil, pine nut oil -- basically whatever good quality oil they can get their hands on.
kebod
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=738
It is possible that sunflower and sesame oil are the recommended oils because they are common in India, where OP originated. On the oil pulling forum (link below), members are reporting experimenting with positive results with a wide variety of oils: walnut, pumpkin seed, hemp (no, it doesn't make you high), flax seed oil, pine nut oil -- basically whatever good quality oil they can get their hands on.
kebod
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=738
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Gidday
Well I have been researchin the web a bit looking for info on this here oil pulling idea, and that is how I have found this site.
I notice that some skeptics don't seem to know about osmosis and how it works. As heart medication as well as a lot of other things are taken by putting under the tounge because they can be obsorbed quicker. Also, as far as I know I don't have holes in my guts for me tucker to filter through but that too moves into the body by osmosis.
Therefore if you look at the way osmosis works, a concentration of toxins in the blood can move through the membrane till concentration is similar on both sides. This would then make sense that certain toxin could move from the blood stream into the oil in the mouth.
Secondly, why do historic natural medicines get called alternative when the orthodox money making drug company medicines are the johny come lately so should be called the alterative?
Well I have been researchin the web a bit looking for info on this here oil pulling idea, and that is how I have found this site.
I notice that some skeptics don't seem to know about osmosis and how it works. As heart medication as well as a lot of other things are taken by putting under the tounge because they can be obsorbed quicker. Also, as far as I know I don't have holes in my guts for me tucker to filter through but that too moves into the body by osmosis.
Therefore if you look at the way osmosis works, a concentration of toxins in the blood can move through the membrane till concentration is similar on both sides. This would then make sense that certain toxin could move from the blood stream into the oil in the mouth.
Secondly, why do historic natural medicines get called alternative when the orthodox money making drug company medicines are the johny come lately so should be called the alterative?
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We wonder about that, Jack.
It is a lot of the contention here.
Even the condiments on your foods, so prized that my country was supposedly, erroneously, discovered by someone seeking them in India, and finding land on this side of the planet, thought that he was in India, causing a continent of folks to be called "Indians" that weren't, were HERBS and their effect is glossed over.
I used Fresh Basil last night, with fresh garlic, and fennel, to spruce up a plain salt-free pasta sauce from Trader Joe's. It was marvelous.
God, those evil herbs, they are incidious, and find their way into the food of every skeptic, methinks.
It is a lot of the contention here.
Even the condiments on your foods, so prized that my country was supposedly, erroneously, discovered by someone seeking them in India, and finding land on this side of the planet, thought that he was in India, causing a continent of folks to be called "Indians" that weren't, were HERBS and their effect is glossed over.
I used Fresh Basil last night, with fresh garlic, and fennel, to spruce up a plain salt-free pasta sauce from Trader Joe's. It was marvelous.
God, those evil herbs, they are incidious, and find their way into the food of every skeptic, methinks.
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Gidday
What pisses me off more than anything is the so called alternative people tell you that garlic is great for you so the put it in a capsule and that some other herb or bark does wonders for some condition but never say how to use it except by taking their pills. To me that make them buggers just as bad as the chemical drug pushers cos both are only after your money and don't give a sh!t about you.
What pisses me off more than anything is the so called alternative people tell you that garlic is great for you so the put it in a capsule and that some other herb or bark does wonders for some condition but never say how to use it except by taking their pills. To me that make them buggers just as bad as the chemical drug pushers cos both are only after your money and don't give a sh!t about you.
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For medication under the tongue: could it be that a pill is put there to be closer to the sailva glands, thus dissolving faster and being easier to swallow? Just a thought. If it really needed to get to the blood fast, wouldn't it be administered intraveinously?Old Jack wrote: I notice that some skeptics don't seem to know about osmosis and how it works. As heart medication as well as a lot of other things are taken by putting under the tounge because they can be obsorbed quicker. Also, as far as I know I don't have holes in my guts for me tucker to filter through but that too moves into the body by osmosis.
And, nasty as the thought might be, your guts do have holes in them for food to get though, of a kind. All the various jolly liquids secreted from digestive glands break down the food into nutrients (smaller bits), that can pass through the (very small) "holes" into your blood.
The vein under your tongue has got a very thick membrane. Why would only the bad bits in the very small amount of blood in that particular part of the vein have more of a chemical affinity for oil as a solvent?Old Jack wrote: Therefore if you look at the way osmosis works, a concentration of toxins in the blood can move through the membrane till concentration is similar on both sides. This would then make sense that certain toxin could move from the blood stream into the oil in the mouth.
They get called "alternative" by people who like them, and want to dissassociate themselves from the big evil corporations who make money (mostly) from honest, proven medicine.Old Jack wrote: Secondly, why do historic natural medicines get called alternative when the orthodox money making drug company medicines are the johny come lately so should be called the alterative?
Hanging on to ancient folk tales and granny-recipes in the face of tremendous scientific progress is pitiful.
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This well-illustrates the statement that really good misinformation has a kernel of truth. Of course, absorption and its reverse (you are calling it osmosis) can occur. The problems are that, except in special cases, the "toxins" are imaginary, and many things do not pass efficiently through the sublingual mucosa. To make your speculation rational, you need to chemically identify the "toxin" and then demonstrate, experimentally, that "oil-pulling" does in fact extract it.Old Jack wrote:{snip} I notice that some skeptics don't seem to know about osmosis and how it works. {snip} Therefore if you look at the way osmosis works, a concentration of toxins in the blood can move through the membrane till concentration is similar on both sides. This would then make sense that certain toxin could move from the blood stream into the oil in the mouth.
Because the old, tried-and-true junk was never medicine. I once worked for a pharmaceutical company that was founded ca. 1865 to sell dried and ground animal organs as medicine. If you had a thyroid problem, they sold thyracoids, female problems were treated with ovacoids. Guess what they had for male problems- yup, testacoids.Old Jack wrote:Secondly, why do historic natural medicines get called alternative when the orthodox money making drug company medicines are the johny come lately so should be called the alterative?
When evidence-based medicine became the standard, those glandular products went off the market. Pretty soon, the meaning of (real) medicine was well understood. In order to compete for money, quacks started calling their uproven and irrational offerings "alternative" (or "holistic" or "integrative" etc.) in hopes that people would somehow think they are somehow medicine, too.
This is simple- prove an "alternative" method is safe and effective and we will call it "medicine."
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[quote="JJM"]I once worked for a pharmaceutical company that was founded ca. 1865 to sell dried and ground animal organs as medicine. If you had a thyroid problem, they sold thyracoids, female problems were treated with ovacoids. Guess what they had for male problems- yup, testacoids.
And now women all over the world take their daily dose of horse-piss extract so they don't have babies. Wouldn't have there been active ingredients in those organs that are now simply extracted or synthesised in other ways?
And now women all over the world take their daily dose of horse-piss extract so they don't have babies. Wouldn't have there been active ingredients in those organs that are now simply extracted or synthesised in other ways?
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lalala let's all run in the meadows and sing with the happy flowers.LaMarRa wrote:It's oil.
Sunflower oil.
A happy flower.
What flowers are sad?
How are you measuring whiteness? What controls are you running?LaMarRa wrote: I've been swishing it around for a few weeks and my teeth are whiter.
The only down side, Crest White Strips could go bankrupt.
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white teeth
After seeing yellowish teeth for 20 years, I now look in the mirror and see white teeth. After only one day of oil pulling with coconut oil, the whiteness was obvious. This isn't rocket science; its observation, a valid tool in science.
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Re: white teeth
(Are you saying rocket science isn't science?!)kebod wrote: This isn't rocket science; its observation, a valid tool in science.
It's bad observation (given your very limited description of experimental protocol).
(Now, disclaimer: the OP talked of oil acting on your blood. I have to say I can envisage more of a mechanism for the teeth thing.)
You did not prevent from confirmation bias: given twenty years of dissatisfaction with the colour of your teeth, perhaps wanting them to look white, combined with somewhat drastic techniques, made you consider them whiter. Get independent confirmation of a measurable difference of whiteness.
Then, we need to make the observation blind (sounds contradictory, but let me explain):
you need control group. And the independent observer cannot know which group he is observing: oil (test) or non-oil (control).
In addition, the attribution of test subjects to test or control group must be randomised. Of course it'll be hard to get the subjects not to know whether or not they're being treated, but in this case that might not be necessary.
That's valid science.
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Re: white teeth
What they probably were was *shiny*.kebod wrote:After seeing yellowish teeth for 20 years, I now look in the mirror and see white teeth. After only one day of oil pulling with coconut oil, the whiteness was obvious.
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Re: white teeth
Got pictures?kebod wrote:After only one day of oil pulling with coconut oil, the whiteness was obvious.
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Brilliant, bloody brilliant. This idea is just the bloody best.
After a couple opf weeks of oil pulling I have noticed huge changes.
I am now findin:-
I get it up 3, 4 or 5 times a night and it lasts longer too.
My teeth are not only whiter but where a filling was and fell out a couple a months ago the hole has healled over.
I am feeling years younger
My hair has regrown.
and the strangest of all, I am not having to shave much as instead of hard bristly whiskers it's just a soft fluff.
Bloody beauty Eh!
Brilliant, bloody brilliant. This idea is just the bloody best.
After a couple opf weeks of oil pulling I have noticed huge changes.
I am now findin:-
I get it up 3, 4 or 5 times a night and it lasts longer too.
My teeth are not only whiter but where a filling was and fell out a couple a months ago the hole has healled over.
I am feeling years younger
My hair has regrown.
and the strangest of all, I am not having to shave much as instead of hard bristly whiskers it's just a soft fluff.
Bloody beauty Eh!
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whose pulling whom?
Truly enjoy this group and topic. The scientist in me feels a need to respond:
St Jimbo said "we need to make the observation blind...: ...control group...the independent observer cannot know which group (s)he is observing: oil (test) or non-oil (control)...the attribution of test subjects to test or control group must be randomised...That's valid science."
Right ON Jim! Breath of fresh air!
And anxiously awaiting "pict....uh...never mind's" from Old Jack's proof portfolio. Or spoof. :shock:
And from what I've seen, oil does indeed make things shiny. :oops:
QSTik
St Jimbo said "we need to make the observation blind...: ...control group...the independent observer cannot know which group (s)he is observing: oil (test) or non-oil (control)...the attribution of test subjects to test or control group must be randomised...That's valid science."
Right ON Jim! Breath of fresh air!
And anxiously awaiting "pict....uh...never mind's" from Old Jack's proof portfolio. Or spoof. :shock:
And from what I've seen, oil does indeed make things shiny. :oops:
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Re: whose pulling whom?
I'd certainly rather breath fresh air than oil.QStik wrote:Truly enjoy this group and topic. The scientist in me feels a need to respond:
St Jimbo said "we need to make the observation blind...: ...control group...the independent observer cannot know which group (s)he is observing: oil (test) or non-oil (control)...the attribution of test subjects to test or control group must be randomised...That's valid science."
Right ON Jim! Breath of fresh air!
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got milk... I mean pictures...?
Nero, while you wait for pictures (no, it never occured to me to take a photo of my yellow teeth before I knew of or experienced oil pulling) a good number of us are seeing positive results.
My husband came up to me the other day to show me all the brown hair that had appeared in his formerly silver sideburns. When I checked the back of his head, there was a significant amount of newly returned brown hair, where he had been totally silver. (No, I don't have pictures). Then he says, "And I've been meaning to ask you if you are coloring your hair. You have less gray hair also." He was right. I had noticed it myself in the mirror, but couldn't quite accept that oil pulling could do this as well. I posted this on the oil pulling forum, and discovered I wasn't the only one seeing that gray can lessen and color return after several months of OP.
I'm not a scientist -- I can just accept this based on the changes I see and feel. My husband is a former chemist. He accepts these positive health changes, and is glad that we can feel better without FDA approved chemicals.
It's OK, Nero, to try something new without it being published in a scientific journal. It doesn't have to be approved by Merck or Pfizer first.
If you wait for them, you're going to wait a very long time. Where's the money to be made from common vegetable oil?
kebod
My husband came up to me the other day to show me all the brown hair that had appeared in his formerly silver sideburns. When I checked the back of his head, there was a significant amount of newly returned brown hair, where he had been totally silver. (No, I don't have pictures). Then he says, "And I've been meaning to ask you if you are coloring your hair. You have less gray hair also." He was right. I had noticed it myself in the mirror, but couldn't quite accept that oil pulling could do this as well. I posted this on the oil pulling forum, and discovered I wasn't the only one seeing that gray can lessen and color return after several months of OP.
I'm not a scientist -- I can just accept this based on the changes I see and feel. My husband is a former chemist. He accepts these positive health changes, and is glad that we can feel better without FDA approved chemicals.
It's OK, Nero, to try something new without it being published in a scientific journal. It doesn't have to be approved by Merck or Pfizer first.
If you wait for them, you're going to wait a very long time. Where's the money to be made from common vegetable oil?
kebod
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snooziums
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Interesting. Thanks to our modern water filtration systems, there are lower amounts of metals in our drinking water than in the past when most people drank unfiltered well water or stream water. So if heavy metals are a "problem" now, they sure must have been a problem back in the day.JohnnyBlaze wrote:Lead, mercury, and other harmful metals and toxins can build up our systems to dangerous levels and also applies to all animals. That's why you should not eat carp and very little Tuna.
As for the fish part, as long as the fishing is at least 10 miles out to see, there should be just about no heavy metals in it. Only if the fishing is done right next to a factory runoff (like the cases in the 1960s in Japan) is this a serious issue (and most fishing now is not done next to a factory anymore).
It would seem that sweating out toxins would be worse then letting them pass through one's system. If toxins are being sweated out, then they are passing through quote a bit of the body.JohnnyBlaze wrote:What the liver can not filter out properly can be released in other ways and sweating is a good example. After a deep sweat, which comes after 20 minutes of continuous perspiration, has shown to contain heavy metals, pestacides and the like.
What about those that exercise are in better health, and that is the reason why they have low cancer rates? Or how about those that exercise usually do not eat as much "junk food" as others would?JohnnyBlaze wrote:That is why studies have shown that people who exercise moderately AND use a sauna(which is great for deep sweating) have almost as low cancer rates as long-distance runners who also deep sweat.
Actually, most over-the-counter medications are "plant-baised" remedies. The plants are just processed, that is all.JohnnyBlaze wrote:Our bodies function wonderfully but not perfectly. We naturally release pain killers into our blood stream but sometimes we need to take an aspirin. Our bodies naturally fight off infection and heal burns but we may also need aloe vera. Both aloe and aspirin are plant based remedies.
As to the subject of oil pulling, what if it is really doing the same thing as those "whiteners" or "white strips" are doing?
Just some thoughts.
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I challenge you
I know this forum is all about validation through scientific data, but I'd like to challenge all in the forum to try this.
For god's sake, it's only oil...it's food. What the heck can it hurt you, eh?
Instead of blathering endlessly about double blind studies, scientific proof, medical testimony what in the heck would be wrong with swishing a bit of oil around your mouth? No one is asking you to take drugs, or herbs or supplements of any kind.
Hey, I live with the ORIGINAL skeptic (In fact, he was an active participant on this forum for many years), and the man is Oil Pulling every day...even took oil on his last business trip. Why? Because he avoided gum surgery. Because his teeth ARE whiter (has been commented on by co-workers and non-immediate family members), because he used to have bad breath, and no longer does, and because the first week of pulling his 3 years of acid indigestion seemed to disappear....
Perhaps the Ayurvedics of some 5,000 years knew a thing or two. Perhaps some of those "grandma" remedies actually did (and do still) work....heck perpermint tea for tummy problems, chicken soup for colds...duh. I won't even tell you that putting egg whites on one's feet during fever will lower the temp by 2 degrees within 20 minutes, because I'm sure you'll all laugh your butts off....but I bet the next time someone has a really bad fever in your family, you'll remember that little gem...way in the back of your mind...Ha!
Try the oil pulling. I want to hear from every one of you how stupid it is after about 2 weeks.
Any nut or seed oil. Do not use peanut, soy or canola.
For god's sake, it's only oil...it's food. What the heck can it hurt you, eh?
Instead of blathering endlessly about double blind studies, scientific proof, medical testimony what in the heck would be wrong with swishing a bit of oil around your mouth? No one is asking you to take drugs, or herbs or supplements of any kind.
Hey, I live with the ORIGINAL skeptic (In fact, he was an active participant on this forum for many years), and the man is Oil Pulling every day...even took oil on his last business trip. Why? Because he avoided gum surgery. Because his teeth ARE whiter (has been commented on by co-workers and non-immediate family members), because he used to have bad breath, and no longer does, and because the first week of pulling his 3 years of acid indigestion seemed to disappear....
Perhaps the Ayurvedics of some 5,000 years knew a thing or two. Perhaps some of those "grandma" remedies actually did (and do still) work....heck perpermint tea for tummy problems, chicken soup for colds...duh. I won't even tell you that putting egg whites on one's feet during fever will lower the temp by 2 degrees within 20 minutes, because I'm sure you'll all laugh your butts off....but I bet the next time someone has a really bad fever in your family, you'll remember that little gem...way in the back of your mind...Ha!
Try the oil pulling. I want to hear from every one of you how stupid it is after about 2 weeks.
Any nut or seed oil. Do not use peanut, soy or canola.
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Re: I challenge you
The "Ayurvedics"? I wonder if this is referring to "Ayurveda," which was some system of taking care of health in India. From what I can gather, Ayurveda dates back to about 500 B.C.E.Molly Bloom wrote:Perhaps the Ayurvedics of some 5,000 years knew a thing or two.
Many Ayurvedic practitioners were quote often using Mercuric-sulphur combination based medicines. Does not sound too healthy there.
I wonder if I should take the advice and drink mercury, someone in ancient times thought it was the elixir of life. What is the worse that can happen? Dieing of mercury poisoning? At least I can say I did it "for science."
From this link: http://www.toddcaldecott.com/pdf%20file ... er_one.pdf According to Charaka, "life" itself is defined as the "combination of the body, sense organs, mind and soul, the factor responsible for preventing decay and death, which sustains the body over time, and guides the processes of rebirth."
How the heck would it help the process of "rebirth"? Hmm...
Note to self: Reincarnate into a society that is more "modern" than this. Or at least reincarnate into one that drinks high dosesses of mercury, and have that life be short.
Also part of Ayurveda: Shirodhara is a form of Ayurveda medicine that involves gently flowing liquids over the forehead (the 'third eye').
Yay! I can be preserved in candle wax! Sigh me up!
Yes, some of the "old remedies" might have worked a bit in some cases. However, we have modern medicine that is much more effective, and has undergone case studies. If I need to lower my body temperature by a couple of degrees, I will try an ice pack, less messy than a couple of egg whites on my feet.Molly Bloom wrote:Perhaps some of those "grandma" remedies actually did (and do still) work....heck perpermint tea for tummy problems, chicken soup for colds...duh. I won't even tell you that putting egg whites on one's feet during fever will lower the temp by 2 degrees within 20 minutes, because I'm sure you'll all laugh your butts off....but I bet the next time someone has a really bad fever in your family, you'll remember that little gem...way in the back of your mind...Ha!