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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:30 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:49 pm
Did you see the headline?

The arrest warrant was the result of the increased sanctions against Iran, which were 100% Trump's idea. it is is fault, and he is lying about it, because suddenly it turns out how stupid that was.
Trump is explicitly saying that the freedom of the Chinese CFO is a bargaining chip in the trade war with China.

How the {!#%@} does this make it the fault of a "Deep State"?
You may well be right, but there have been various US deep state-orchestrated UN sanctions on Iran ever since the Iranians overthrew the US-installed puppet Shah in 1979, although the Trump regime reimposed the most recent ones.

The US general public did not even know that the deep state organized the 1953 coup of the only democratifally-elected government in a Mid-Eastern country until Obama apologized to Iran for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

If it wasn't the US deep state and British MI6 that organized that secret Operation Ajax coup, what would you call it? If "deep state" isn't a valid term for it, what is a better one? It wasn't just the CIA acting alone, but top level military and State Dept. apparatchiks had to be involved.
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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by ElectricMonk » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:38 pm

The State Department under Obama and up to Tillerson did everything to keep the Iran Deal going.
Trump made it his mission to abort it against every internal and international advice (including by Great Britain).

Why do you want to look for a Deep State to blame for something we know exactly who is responsible?

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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:53 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:38 pm
The State Department under Obama and up to Tillerson did everything to keep the Iran Deal going.
Trump made it his mission to abort it against every internal and international advice (including by Great Britain).

Why do you want to look for a Deep State to blame for something we know exactly who is responsible?
Okay, let's say that Trump and not a deep state is directly or indirectly responsible for reinstalling the current Iranian sanctions, but since Trump was committed to detente with North Korea, what would you call the US government entity most opposed to peaceful relations with North Korea, a permanent entity that has existed at least since 1979?

"Matthew Ellard" once referred to that entity as the "Intelligence community steering committee," although that was later denied.
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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:08 pm

The sanctions that Wangzhou is accused of violating are those which Obama initiated prior to negotiating the Iran treaty. They are not the Trump sanctions.
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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by Austin Harper » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:51 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:53 pm
"Matthew Ellard" once referred to that entity as the "Intelligence community steering committee," although that was later denied.
You introduced the phrase "Intelligence community steering committee" and then accused Matthew of inventing it.
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Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:03 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:There is no such thing as the "Deep State" . It is a propaganda by Fox News, which you keep posting on our forum. You can't name one member, how it is meant to work or set out what who is in control. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:If neither the Trump regime nor Congress is persecuting Meng Wangzhou, who is doing it?
You are a total idiot.

Donald Trump appointed the Attorney General to prosecute federal crimes. An indictment, by the DOJ's office was lodged at the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York. An Interpol warrant was received by Canada, which Canada is obliged to follow.
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Tom Palven is an idiot

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:13 am

Tom Palven wrote: You may well be right,
ElectricMonk is right.
Tom Palven wrote: ... but there have been various US deep state-orchestrated UN sanctions on Iran
There is no such thing as the Fox News Deep State conspiracy, It is Fox News propaganda that you spam on our forum. You cannot name one US sanction imposed by your fanciful "Deep State"

You once claimed that your "Deep State" was "government employees" who were "secretly disobeying" their elected leaders and imposed governance, to do their own agenda. However, you simultaneously claimed that Edward Snowden, a NSA employee, who disobeyed the NSA's governance was a hero. That's how confused you are.

Make up your mind, you complete idiot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Tom Palven is an idiot 2

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:25 am

Tom Palven wrote:......but since Trump was committed to detente with North Korea, what would you call the US government entity most opposed to peaceful relations with North Korea,
It wasn't a US Department. It was North Korea itself, who lied about stopping weapons production.

15th November 2018 / " North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has visited test site of new weapon, state media says"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-16/ ... e/10506674

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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by TJrandom » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:11 am

Tom - Lets throw Deep State in Deep State every third Deep State word so Deep State we can Deep State reinforce the Deep State mime.

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Post by Gord » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:16 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:03 am
An indictment, by the DOJ's office was lodged at the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York. An Interpol warrant was received by Canada, which Canada is obliged to follow.
China seems to be taking it badly. They're collecting Canadians somewhere:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-46548614

Luckily they're only Canadians, so nobody cares.
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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by TJrandom » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:30 am

What is the exchange rate these days? Just one Chinese to two Canadians? Surely Canada needs to arrest a few more Chinese?

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Post by Gord » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:08 pm

Not sure, it might be based on their yearly income. Which means those Canadians are screwwwwwed.
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:08 pm

I can think of some Canadians I would like to send them. Stephen Harper, for example.
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China and Canada / Proxy Arrests

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:22 pm

Gord wrote: China seems to be taking it badly. They're collecting Canadians somewhere:
The first Canadian who was arrested, is probably a Canadian Security Intelligence Service Officer. He only joined the International Crisis Group, which is an international research organisation, in conflict areas, in 2017. Before that he was with the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development.

It seems to me that China is getting ready to have the option of "a swap" and China has chosen to pick on Canada rather than the USA. This isn't good news.

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Re: Trump's Tariffs

Post by Gord » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:55 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:08 pm
I can think of some Canadians I would like to send them. Stephen Harper, for example.
They wouldn't take him, I've tried.
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