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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:26 am

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Post by Balsamo » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:30 am

Latest European elections:
Finland, sometimes described as the "happiest" country within the EU:
The Social Democrats 17.7%
The "Finn Party" - described as far right and euroskeptic - seems to be close to a historic victory with 17.5%
The National coalition is close behind with 17%
The former ruling party, the center, is tumbling with less than 14% of the votes.
The Green league is progressing to 11%
While the left Alliance is also progressing to 8%

It is still too early to call.
But here it is. Finland might be won by the far right. And with only 6.6% of immigrants, it cannot be the cause.
I guess, we will have to get used to it. :cry:
The Finn Party" surged in 2011 to become a real political force. And it is consolidating since then at the top. It missed the victory for less than 7.000 votes.
The SPD is going to have a hard time forming a government.

Now, if the strength of the Finn Party would be confirmed in two months during the EU elections, then a bigger crisis might be on the horizon.

Will update when final results come.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:03 pm

Finland:

Vs. previous parliament . . .

- Finns party (populist nationalists moving toward radical right) +1 seat
- Social Democrats (left-center) +6 seats
- left-wing Left Alliance +4 seats
- Greens +5 seats

Big loser: outgoing conservative government.

Per The Guardian, it was " good night generally for the left." Also, almost half the MPs will be femaie.

From BBC, Guardian, Bloomberg, Reuters, Aftonbladet and other news sources, and from conversations with Finns whom I know here, I take that the elections drivers were . . .

- social security with the government's streamlining/cuts/freezes ("freedom of choice") proving unpopular against the SD's promise to protect and raise benefits (with tax increases) (Finland has an aging population, and it was the conservatives' cutbacks that caused the government to fall)

- climate change (with the Finns party, described in Sweden as "climate skeptical," saying that Finland has done enough)

- immigration (Finland has strict immigration controls but this was the main issue for the Finns party, despite relatively small immigration; they built off highly publicized rapes in Oulu with the suspects being foreign men; the Finns party promises next to no immigration and changes to asylum laws - they've described Somalis as thieves and Islam as linked to pedophilia)

It seems likely that the SDs (biggest vote getter, if barely, for first time since the '90s) will be able to form a center-right government with the Greens, the National Coalition (a conservative partner in the outgoing government) and one or two other smaller parties. No other parties have yet expressed openness to working with the Finns party, so they don't appear to be a possible government partner.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Balsamo » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:55 pm

There is nothing yet to sustain that the drama at Notre Dame is related to these incidents. And i pray they are not.

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Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:08 pm

Balsamo wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:55 pm
There is nothing yet to sustain that the drama at Notre Dame is related to these incidents. And i pray they are not.
I wasn't really suggesting so...

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Post by Balsamo » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:19 am

The Comedian Zelensky who did his presidential campaign in Ukraine by shouting out loud he was no politician and just wanted to break the "system" seems to have won with over 70% of the votes in the first round.
A recent polls showed that only 5 % of the Ukrainians had trust in their government.

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:03 am

EU elections, Swedish style

Headline: no significant change in dynamics since the last post I made on this topic - but generally the Left, Greens, Social Democrats, and Liberals are doing worse than then with the Moderates (right wing) and Sweden Democrats (populist nationalists) continuing to gain; the Social Democrats and the Moderates, compared to 2014, will be about the same according to the new poll, with big gains for the Sweden Democrats who appear to be locking in as the country's 2nd largest party

The Liberals, most pro-Europe of all Swedish parties, had two seats with about 10% of the vote in 2014; today they are polling under 4% with no seats.

The Green party will likely lost 2 of its 4 seats, as well. And Fi (Feminist Initiative) has dropped to about 1% and is likely to lose its seat - no surprise there, as Fi did poorly in the 2018 national elections.

Quoting Aftonbladet, “Överlägset störst vinnare jämfört med 2014 är Sverigedemokraterna, som då fick 9,7 procent. I dagens mätning får man hela 17,4 procent. ” (“By far the biggest winner compared with 2014 is the Sweden Democrats, who then got 9.7 percent. In today's measurement they get a full 17.4 percent.”)

The right-wing Christian Democrats and center-right Centerpartiet are both polling above their 2014 levels.

There's a bit of a brouhaha over a photo used by the Left party showing its leader, Jonas Sjöstedt, with some supporters, one of whom is wearing a tee shirt of the Afa (Anti-Fascist Action).

this week’s polling:

Left 7.6%
Greens 8.7%
Fi 1.5%

Social Democrats 24.9%

Center party 9.4%
Liberals 3.7%

Sweden Democrats 17.4%
Moderates 15.9%
Christian Democrats 9%
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

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However, per The Grauniad: "Polls released immediately after voting closed indicated that the anti-feminist, anti-immigration party would win as many as 38 seats in parliament. But with two thirds of votes counted, Vox are on track to win nearly half of that, with 23 seats."
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed May 01, 2019 6:01 pm

this report (Revealed: populists far more likely to believe in conspiracy theories: Largest survey of its kind uncovers suspicion of vaccines in big part of world population) says that HD is piss-poor CT, not even attracting many of those oriented to lunatic right-wing and crackpot beliefs:

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(The US scores very poorly in this study, as populist and CT prone.)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed May 01, 2019 8:10 pm

Sweden on international workers' day:

"More falafel, no racism" . . . a food truck in the centrum (downtown), parked next to a pink Mexican food truck . . . :

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Kommunistiska Partiet march, first marchers climb the hill (these are actual Commies, like Obama, Hillary Clinton, the FBI, and so on in the US):

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. . . and the middle part of the march follows:

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Our bus became stuck in a 2nd, larger march, that of the Left party, mid-afternoon . . .
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 02, 2019 4:37 pm

Sweden's right-wing Social Democrat PM, Stefan Lövfen, calls for banning of neo-Nazis.

The immediate pretext for Löfven's call is yesterday's clashes, with I think 60 arrests, between Nordiska motståndsrörelsen (NMR), a neo-Nazi group active in the Scandinavian countries, and an assortment of antifas (AFA), clowns, and various citizens in Kungälv (https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/3J ... onstration). The deeper reason may be Löfven's government's dependence on center-right parties and their dragging the Social Democrats into supporting revisions to the labor law and Trumpian tax cuts. Löfven may be using the Kungälv clashes to cover his left flank.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 11, 2019 8:58 am

In polling before the EU elections, almost half of Swedish voters (47%) ranked climate and the environment as the most important issue (next in importance was immigration, followed by terrorism, crime and, with a big drop-off, the economy and trade).* (Swexit scored very, very poorly - around 4% wanting Sweden to leave the EU.)

So the Social Democrats have made climate and the environment their wedge issue, attacking the Moderaterna, the Sweden Democrats and the Christian Democrats based on the weak environmental proposals and record of those three parties. A recent study, by the Swedish Society for Nature Conservation (”Blåslampor och bromsklossar”), concluded that the Sweden Democrats, the Moderaterna, and the Christian Democrats are the worst on climate and the environment.

The Sweden Democrats, using the slogan "Less Brussels, More Sweden," push crime and of course immigration as their top issue. A recent party leaders' forum focused mainly on crime, with all parties except the Left and Center focusing on harsher penalties and more police. Like the Sweden Democrats, the Moderaterna press on immigration, along with crime. One person I met recently, on learning I come from Chicago, told me that in Sweden "Chicago" is now used as a term to describe the rising crime rate in the country (How reported crime rates changed in Sweden in 2018).

* by comparison, US voters in a late 2018 Gallup poll ranked the top issues, in order, as healthcare, the economy, immigration, the way women are treated, guns . . . with climate change 11th just behind trade; as one would imagine, there are large partisan and age gaps - with climate ranked much more important by Democrats and young voters
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 12, 2019 4:06 am

Poll surge for Farage sparks panic among Tories and Labour: Support for the Conservatives at the European elections slumps to 11%, less than a third of what the Brexit party is polling:
The poll suggests the Brexit party, launched only last month, is now on course for a thumping victory that Farage will, MPs fear, use to back his argument that the UK must leave the EU immediately without a deal.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 12, 2019 8:04 am

As with the 2018 national elections in Sweden, the parties have valstugor (election campaign sheds) set up in the main squares of major towns and cities. Here, in the square, the government side has just two valstugor - the Fi in the doldrums and the Left no longer with the government. I don't see many people taking campaign literature or talking to campaigners working on the government side of the main square. Things are different across the square, where the parties not supporting the government have their valstugor. But only one of them is constantly busy, often with young people crowding in for conversations with party reps who wear white jackets. That's the Sweden Democrats' valstuga. My informal poll has them, thus, performing very well, if even here in a town where they do poorly electorally their pitch is the one exciting people most when it comes to Europe.

The Left party, struggling now in the polls, has no stuga at all in the main square. They had really pretty marches on May 1st.

Also, the Sweden Democrats and fringe far-right groups dominate on social media, as they did during the 2018 national campaigns.

This informal and impressionistic look matches with what the polls, above and just below, have shown with regard to the parties, but not the issues: the loneliest valstuga may be that of the Liberals, the EU-friendly party which has been in a state of collapse since the post-election negotiations. The Miljöpartiet (Greens) looks likely to fall off vs the last EU elections despite climate and the environment being the most important issue to voters.

Recent polling:

Social Democrats 23.9 down close to a point since last polling
Sweden Democrats 17.9 double 2014 results
Moderaterna 16.9 increase of over a point since last polls
Greens 9.6 recovering a bit but still almost half 2014 results
Christian Democrats 8.8 same as previous polls
Center 8.4 down almost a point off last polls
Left party 6.9 dropping since previous polls, in line with 2014 results
Liberals 3.4 down almost 2 points from previous polling
Feminist Initiative (Fi) 2.2 up a point but way off 2014 results
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by ElectricMonk » Wed May 15, 2019 6:27 pm

Austria has exactly the same issue.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed May 15, 2019 6:44 pm

A bit off topic but I guess it’s one way to get votes:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/05/14/europe ... cnn.com%2F
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri May 17, 2019 8:31 pm

English language version:
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat May 18, 2019 3:27 am

I wonder: is corruption a necessary component of Facism?

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat May 18, 2019 7:37 pm

Seriously, what’s someone gotta do to get a milkshake around here????
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat May 18, 2019 7:38 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:27 am
I wonder: is corruption a necessary component of Facism?
Any totalitarian government has that problem. No oversight = corruption
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sun May 19, 2019 4:26 am

Sure, but Austria isn't Totalitarian yet.
Guy like the FPO chief are corrupt before they have power.

I guess that if at heart you are undemocratic, you have no qualms about how you achieve power - something we can see in US politics, too.

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. . . all right we are two nations . . .

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 21, 2019 1:56 am

. . . all right we are two nations . . .

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 23, 2019 5:18 pm

Bannon’s liver hasn’t given out yet?

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2019 ... -far-right
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 23, 2019 5:34 pm

The last days before the EU parliament elections in Sweden have seen the headlines shift to a focus on sexual impropriety by a Sweden Democrat MEP, Peter Lundgren. A fellow Sweden Democrat, Kristina Winberg, accused Lundgren of having "taken the breast" of a female party member, Sara-Lena Bjalko. Lundgren has admitted to breast-taking but basically excused his behavior as down to a night of heavy drinking. I mean, who hasn't taken a breast, grabbed a pussy, or robbed a bank after having too much booze?

In response to Lundgren's predicament, Jimmie Åkesson, head of the Sweden Democrats, has defended Lundgren and had Winberg, who reported the breast-taking, expelled from the party - using the Trumpian method of "firing by email."

The matter has, as they say, sucked up all the oxygen in the room this past 4-5 days. Still, despite (or abetted by?) the media spotlight on this, and on some financial chicanery by another prominent Sweden Democrat, the right-wing nationalists are poised to do well. At the same time, the Greens will likely double their 2018 national election result, but still fall short of their 2014 EU percentages.

Polling 3 days ago shows

- the Social Democrats up slightly to 23.5%
- the Sweden Democrats down 1.5% to 17.2% (this is a few tenths of a point less than the Sweden Democrats' % in the 2018 national elections)
- the Moderaterna recovering to 16.8% - up 1.1%
- the Christian Democrats (in Sweden a right-wing party increasingly in sync with the Sweden Democrats) continuing to gain, now over 10%
- the Greens holding steady around 9.5%
- the Center party also steady at around 9.5%
- the Left gaining over half a point to 7.5%
- the Liberals still in trouble, with under 4%

A result like this will be another victory for the far right, even if the Sweden Democrats are not showing dynamic growth. They will overtake the Moderaterna as the 2nd largest party and continue to be the disruptive force in Swedish politics as well as bolstering the right in the EU (I believe that the Sweden Democrats have joined in the European Conservatives and Reformists bloc, not the far right Europe of Nations and Freedom, which bloc should be weakened by the loss of the UK's conservatives).
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 23, 2019 9:55 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 5:18 pm
Bannon’s liver hasn’t given out yet?

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2019 ... -far-right
Richard Spencer is not in favor of this.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu May 23, 2019 10:16 pm

So let's see . . . Harvard, Trump U, or Bannon CC? Which will it be?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu May 23, 2019 10:20 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 10:16 pm
So let's see . . . Harvard, Trump U, or Bannon CC? Which will it be?
I can get my money back from Trump U. Plus some!!!!
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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri May 24, 2019 11:54 am

I guess this is part of Make Austria Great Again:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/vienna-ph ... NRq1D6_nic
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat May 25, 2019 10:50 am

For the EU elections tomorrow, Sweden's (increasingly far) right-wing Christian Democratic party (KD) has been running a campaign in sync with that of the Sweden Democrats (SD). For example, only two parties do not place climate and the environment among the top three issues - the KD and SD - and, like the SD, the KD have stressed crime, borders and immigration, and opposition to the EU's social pillar guidelines (which are meant to promote social welfare, labor protections, gender equality, etc among EU member countries).

Here is a KD campaign poster, stressing both their Euro-skeptic stance and using a self-conscious Trumpian framing ("lagom" is a typical Swedish concept, meaning "just right . . . but in a moderate way . . . not too much"):

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It's interesting that this (far) right party, which uses Trump's rhetoric, then, has also made criticism of Trump's foreign policy, in favor of traditional forms of western engagement, one of its central campaign themes. Lead KD candidate Sara Skyttedal (on left in the poster) explains, "We see that the West is pretty weak right now. We see that USA have withdrawn from the world stage. And we think it is important that there are counter-"pools," especially in times where countries such as Russia and China are increasing their sphere of interest, even in European territory."

Meantime, someone has been throwing firecrackers at SD leader Jimmie Åkesson as he campaigns. Not milkshakes but "bangers." SD leader Lundgren (see post above) has publicly blamed the Social Democrats, although their party head, PM Stefan Löfven, had quickly condemned the attacks: "Every attack against our elected politicians is an attack on our common democracy. This even makes me incredibly upset."
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 26, 2019 5:45 am

Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Sun May 26, 2019 4:52 pm

"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 26, 2019 7:33 pm

from the above Grauniad live blog:
Poll of polls: Europe's centre-right and centre-left could lose 92 seats - polls
Europe’s largest centre-right and centre-left blocs are set to lose 92 seats, according to an aggregate of polling data.

Officials have just released the first snapshot of what the next European parliament will look like, based on exit polls.

Results are not due to until 22.15 BST.

On this projection:

- The European People’s party remains the largest in the parliament, but loses 48 seats.
- The Socialists & Democrats remain the second-largest force, but are reduced to 147 seats.
- The Liberals will be the third-largest group winning 102 seats (up from 67 seats)
- Greens are on course for 71 seats, big gains on the 50 seats they won in 2014.
- The Conservative Eurosceptic group set up by David Cameron loses seats and Nigel Farage’s group makes limited gains.
- The far-right Europe of Nations and Freedom group gains 11 seats, but not the breakthrough many had forecast.

Health warning: these are not results and parties may choose to join different groups, making any estimate unstable. For instance, nobody knows whether Hungary’s Fidesz party will remain in the EPP or look for allies on the far right.
France:
Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally party is estimated to have topped the European election vote in France, dealing a blow to the pro-European, centrist president Emmanuel Macron.

A projection for France 2 television, based on exit polls, showed Le Pen’s party coming first with 23.2%, ahead of Macron’s centrist grouping on 21.9%.
UK:
Our forecast for this year's UK European elections has...

Brex: 24 MEPs (+24 vs 2014)
LDem: 15 (+14)
Lab: 14 (-6)
Con: 10 (-9)
Grn: 4 (+1)
SNP: 2 (-)
PC: 1 (-)
Farage's Brexit party didn't exist until this election, and Labour hemorrhaged support to the Liberal Democrats, with many of their voters favoring Remain and rejecting Corbyn's "mystery meat" approach.

Sweden: the official result from Aftonbladet
Social Democrats: 23,6 (5 seats)
Moderaterna: 16,8 (4 seats)
Sweden Democrats: 15,5 (3 seats)
Greens: 11,4 (2 seats).
Centerpartiet: 10,8 (2 seats)
Christian Democrats: 8,7 (2 seats)
Left: 6,7 (1 seat)
Liberals: 4,1 (1 seat)
Feministiskt Initiativ 0,8 (no seats)
Liberals, Greens, and Center party better than forecast, Sweden Democrats and Christian Democrats quite a bit worse - but both these right-wing parties gained over 2014.

Despite the poor result for Macron's "centrism" in France, Macron's MEPs will join Alde (Alliance of Liberals and Democrats) in the next EU parliament and have significant power as the European People’s party and Socialists & Democrats bloc will have lost ground - and the Macron + Alde bloc will have votes critical for pro-EU majorities, as I understand it.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 26, 2019 11:12 pm

UK result, as of dinner time here:
Current state of the parties: Brexit 21 seats (32% of the vote); Lib Dems 10 (20%); Labour 7 (14%); Green 5 (12%); Conservatives 2 (9%); Plaid Cymru 1.
The UK is as {!#%@} as the US. Not having a position on the biggest issue facing the UK cost Labour, although it is hard to say that having a position would have helped them a lot.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon May 27, 2019 12:47 am

Tommy Robinson Yaxley Lennon failed in his bid.

Farage and his lot are claiming of course that this is their 'mandate' to take Britain out of Europe. Blah blah blah. Victory dances...Though if you add up the votes for parties that were pro remain, Green and Liberal and increased Liberal support probably because they actually came out and said they would stop Brexit and the increased Green vote due to climate change and extinction rebellion - plus the collapse in Labour and Tory vote - well it looks as if this country is still as divided on the issue as it ever was. Despite liars like Nigel Farage, Anne Widdecombe and other assorted people claiming otherwise. I suppose fervency and that intense desire to belong to something, anything cause these absurd declarations.

Myself, I don't know if this is a UK mirror of how it would be for us in a General Election. People say, 'cuh' s only Europe.' Likely they'd all go back to the binary system of voting Tory or Labour. But a pro remain party has picked up the disaffected Con Lab vote.

Wait til the Cons raise a rabid no dealer or a media personality like BoJo to be prime sinister. Some predict a final civil war in the Tory party leading to the General Election then maybe we can throw this hateful Tory rabble out.

North of the border this Brexit idea is causing the Scots to desert the unionist parties in droves. Scotland has always looked to Europe.

And people are saying that its too divisive an issue to hold another referendum. Dunno if Labour are going to ditch Jeremy either after this, probably not. I was watching the World at War on reruns episode 21 - the sight of Berlin during those last few weeks made me think hard how I am glad and grateful that I grew up in this Post war consensus. I have benefited from Europe and from peace.

I remember the vote back in 1973, to go into the common market, a neighbour asked me - and him being a political animal - what my opinion was on Europe. I said, 'I have no opinion.' Probably that would be because I was about eleven or something. LOL. He insisted that I must have an opinion. I see now that I was in grave error and should have had an opinion.

Well here is my opinion, its a tad late in coming, Europe has been a good thing for the UK and for Europe. Perhaps not for Nazis and Nationalists and each and all parochially bitching about their own bit their own country in the same way, like a bunch of sheep and each draped in their security blanket flags and each wanting to make this place great or that place great at the expense of another place and all played out while the Planet falls apart. But then again, I saw a guy driving around in town with an EU flag. That was his security blanket. Good for him. I don't quite know how that Nationalist experiment is going to work out. If the short History of the Twentieth Century is anything to go by, they will have to relearn to get along after another European war, instead of being so bloody selfish - how to co-operate and recognise and relearn once more that we are all human.

Some are in fact more than human.

Do you mean dinner for dinner i.e. around lunch time, 12 pm which posh people call luncheon or the evening meal dinner?

LOL.
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon May 27, 2019 1:38 am

LOL evening meal dinner USA . . . :)

I do have an opinion, actually lots of opinions, and so too did Cerdic, although not the same opinion on the EU as mine . . .

This tweet re: "if you add up the votes for parties that were pro remain, Green and Liberal and increased Liberal support" . . .



Grauniad analysis: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... grip-power

In Sweden, the Social Democrats continue to weaken, and, despite there not having been a wave, the far right are happy tonight. The Social Democrats had pitched the vote as a referendum on the far right . . .

One of my opinions is that it's good to see the Greens having done so well across Europe, though not in Sweden, in this voting.
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon May 27, 2019 1:50 am

I rely on you guys, I’m {!#%@} if I can figure out Europe’s political situation.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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