Life without a centre.

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Austin Harper » Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:04 am

You're confusing natural philosophy with science.
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Post by Lausten » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:18 pm

That's 3 people in a row saying basically the same thing in 3 different ways. But, she won't get it.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:22 pm

Lausten wrote:That's 3 people in a row saying basically the same thing in 3 different ways. But, she won't get it.
We never thought otherwise. Some people wear cluelessness like a second skin.
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Post by Gord » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:11 pm

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Lausten wrote:That's 3 people in a row saying basically the same thing in 3 different ways. But, she won't get it.
We never thought otherwise. Some people wear cluelessness like a second skin.
No I don't.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:04 pm

Gord wrote:
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Lausten wrote:That's 3 people in a row saying basically the same thing in 3 different ways. But, she won't get it.
We never thought otherwise. Some people wear cluelessness like a second skin.
No I don't.
But it would look good on you.

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Re: Life without a centre.

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Lausten wrote:That's 3 people in a row saying basically the same thing in 3 different ways. But, she won't get it.
We never thought otherwise. Some people wear cluelessness like a second skin.
No I don't.
But it would look good on you.

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by placid » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:34 am

Austin Harper wrote:You're confusing natural philosophy with science.
Sometimes the metaphysics behind the attempts to understand the results of experiment is mixed up with bad philosophy. There really is a philosophy behind science, and the way the world is described to us from the results of experiment is often much more difficult to explain than it is to make happen in experiment.


Some of the big names in the philosophy of science field are.....

Aristotle

Francis Bacon

Rene Descartes

Piere Duhem

Carl Hempel

Karl Popper

Thomas Kuhn

Paul Feyerabend

Evelyn Fox Keller

Elliott Sober

Nancy Cartwright



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Please take your hippy nonsense to another forum for non scientists like yourself.Complete crap. Scientists use the scientific method to test a hypothesis they have made about nature.

You write down your random unconnected thoughts on a public science forum, with no goal at all, because you suffer delusions that your random words make sense. You can't even form a basic hypothesis that anyone can test.

Go away.
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Hmmm, nice forum, nice people.
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by placid » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:14 am

What Science is saying about the nature of reality.....

God Science: Episode One - The Simulation Hypothesis

This documentary series examines the latest scientific arguments for the existence of a cosmological creator, including the simulation hypothesis, information science, quantum intelligence, rare-earth theory, etc. Appearances by Neil deGrasse Tyson, Paul Davies, Max Tegmark and many more top thinkers.



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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by TJrandom » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:48 am

placid wrote:... Hmmm, nice forum, nice people.
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
No - please don`t. You would do better to start with your list of some of the greats - maybe choose an easy approach - Wiki perhaps?

But Nancy Cartwright – the voice of Bart Simpson? Tsk tsk.

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Re: Life without a centre.

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TJrandom wrote:
placid wrote:... Hmmm, nice forum, nice people.
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
No - please don`t. You would do better to start with your list of some of the greats - maybe choose an easy approach - Wiki perhaps?

But Nancy Cartwright – the voice of Bart Simpson? Tsk tsk.
Well at least you've shown where your mind is firmly embedded... ( Doh!)

I on the other hand was referring to the science philosopher ....

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid ... hilosopher

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Re: Life without a centre.

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placid wrote:What Science is saying about the nature of reality.....

God Science: Episode One - The Simulation Hypothesis

This documentary series examines the latest scientific arguments for the existence of a cosmological creator, including the simulation hypothesis, information science, quantum intelligence, rare-earth theory, etc. Appearances by Neil deGrasse Tyson, Paul Davies, Max Tegmark and many more top thinkers.


Science and Sages have already figured out the true nature of reality.

The reason the illusion is real is because if it wasn't convincing we'd have nothing to do, all our discoveries (knowledge) are made-up simulations made to look real, and what a good and clever job too.

Okay, anyone else got an interesting fictitious tale they want to spin off as their own?

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Lausten » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:24 am

placid wrote:Science and Sages have already figured out the true nature of reality.
Guess I skipped class that day. Congratulations on being able to name philosophers. Now take the next big step and read some of their stuff. Then, and this one is really critical, relate what you're saying to what they said. That's kinda how philosophy works.
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I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
"Further" as in "begin at all"?
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Post by placid » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:50 am

Lausten wrote:
placid wrote:Science and Sages have already figured out the true nature of reality.
Guess I skipped class that day. Congratulations on being able to name philosophers. Now take the next big step and read some of their stuff. Then, and this one is really critical, relate what you're saying to what they said. That's kinda how philosophy works.
Thanks for the reminder critical thinker to read stuff relating to myself and to regurgitate that stuff back to myself. I'll get right on it and get back to you, wait for the echo.

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
placid wrote:
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
"Further" as in "begin at all"?
Thanks for the reminder critical thinker as to the ''begin at all'' comment.

This is a true reminder that nothing ever begin's .....


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placid wrote:
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
"Further" as in "begin at all"?

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placid wrote:
placid wrote:What Science is saying about the nature of reality.....

God Science: Episode One - The Simulation Hypothesis

This documentary series examines the latest scientific arguments for the existence of a cosmological creator, including the simulation hypothesis, information science, quantum intelligence, rare-earth theory, etc. Appearances by Neil deGrasse Tyson, Paul Davies, Max Tegmark and many more top thinkers.


Science and Sages have already figured out the true nature of reality.

The reason the illusion is real is because if it wasn't convincing we'd have nothing to do, all our discoveries (knowledge) are made-up simulations made to look real, and what a good and clever job too.

Okay, anyone else got an interesting fictitious tale they want to spin off as their own?
I listened to this on my ride into work. Thankfully, that means I didn't actually waste the time, although I could have been listening to the latest episode of Star Talk. It is a very sophisticated piece of woo. All it says is, Newtonian physics does not have all the answers. It replaces "materialism" whenever it should be saying Newtonian physics. It cherry picks quotes from Einstein and Tyson and leaves out the parts of the discussion that actually explain the very things you are looking for. Instead, it makes an argument from ignorance, using puppets from movies to fill in the gaps. These people are not your friends.
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Post by Lausten » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:10 pm

placid wrote:
Hmmm, nice forum, nice people.
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
Maybe you should try a forum like this one. See how well you fare, then come back and tell us about it.
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Lausten wrote:
placid wrote:
Hmmm, nice forum, nice people.
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.
Maybe you should try a forum like this one. See how well you fare, then come back and tell us about it.
I was being sarcastic when I said further..... doesn't matter, there isn't any.

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Lausten wrote:
It is a very sophisticated piece of woo. .
Without woo - there is no you.

No woo - No you.

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Post by Scott Mayers » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:48 pm

I believe that this subject revolves around a misconception of placid here. It's frustrating that I can understand the different perspectives as having certain equal validity. To me this argument is one which has continued to fester throughout time and in which each 'side' often evolves from being secular in origin to religion and back again in cycles. Our present paradigm of science is to only presume that the practice of the defined method is all that matters. This is similar to believing that all that is real are verbs. The extreme opposing sides will state that nouns are what is real and verbs are merely transcendental. At some stage we'll return to recognizing that sentences require both. Or, like my own philosophy, that even neither also has a distinct meaning to reality inclusively. I might be confused as being irrational for this because it appears that I might be saying that everything is equally as true or false. I might be thought of as an atheist who is "sitting on the fence" in a non-realistic position. Yet, I do believe in a real position that encompasses both philosophy and science in a reconciled condition needed to determine truth. Unless we as a society cannot re-evaluate this fairly, we will continue cycling back and forth where a present science will evolve into a future religion through the means of the next political authorities.
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Post by placid » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:09 pm

Scott Mayers wrote:I believe that this subject revolves around a misconception of placid here. It's frustrating that I can understand the different perspectives as having certain equal validity.
Thank you for your valuable contribution to this thread, very well put. When you say ''...I might be confused as being irrational for this because it appears that I might be saying that everything is equally as true or false...''

People tend to lean toward what is the accepted norm - conditioned by their specific culture or from their immediate peer related clan, they may live in fear of saying the wrong thing for fear of what other people think of them. Although it is human nature to want to be right so someone has to be wrong in order for them to be right, it's all the play of consciousness /lila.

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God simply exists, and God creates the world, including us, endowing us with consciousness and free choice.

The other idea, asserted by science, is:

The physical universe simply exists and it forms consciousness, including our ideas about free choice and God.

There has been a widening rift between these two paradigms of the ultimate reality since Democritus suggested the theory of atoms 2,500 years ago.''
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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Monster » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:09 pm

placid wrote:............
Why did you do this again?
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Monster wrote:
placid wrote:............
Why did you do this again?
Because life is created new in every moment, those that hang onto the past are living a memory that is old news and not true reality. It's like throwing away an old newspaper, not that I read the junk they put in them anyway.

Bye the way, memory is what keeps the whole reality thing turning over, the truth is far from palatable. It's blank, so we gotta fill in the blanks somehow, memory is all we got. TRUTH is a lost category...
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Post by Lausten » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:14 pm

Since you are so intent on us keeping with the meat of your discussions, what did you think of the links I supplied?
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Post by Scott Mayers » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:20 pm

RE: placid's response a few posts previous in response to me.

I think Democritus was not the first. You can see the hints of intellectual thought going back from the origins of writing within even religious texts. [Like Adam = atom = mankind = Aten or Atum = that which has defined shape, Eve = that which follows = even (as in number that follows the first) = evening = mankind following maturity or growth from childhood.] These hint at a secular origin that only became 'religion' as people anthropomorphically reinterpreted old generalizations into stories, replacing the past meanings relating nature to cartoon characters for children.

I think that Karl Marx was right referring to the ways politics and social structures cycle through stages such that each revolution begins anew with sincere reasonable intents that get abused when the latter generations inherit their parents wisdom with lesser and lesser care being spoiled by such pampering that they resort to a stage of authoritarianism until another generation must defeat it through another overthrow to start over again. We began our decline into such authoritarianism in favor of science from between 1930 to 1970 as science has now become acceptable. While I welcome this to a big degree, we are coming to another era where people are spoiled from the favorable things that has given them things like smart cell phones. Why care why or how they are made inside as long as it works, right? But in time, we'll see more people being unable to make sense of the necessary wisdom needed to repair things like these and should our economies collapse, too little people would be left who could restructure them unless a renewed revolution challenges the established authorities who command what is considered 'truth' then.

The fact that it is getting harder to be even allowed to question established scientific heroes and theories of the past, the institutes that teach them, and the organizations who profit through this process, only proves that we are beginning towards a renewed phase of authoritarianism. What happened to 'tentativeness' with regards to theories if we are not allowed to redress early assumptions that many theories are based on? Standards for qualifying for authority in science are now out of reach of the average citizen as it politically forces us to require greater and greater investments in both time and money to get there? And we are also forced to follow the specific route of the educational processes that usually hide the 'secrets' of proofs later rather than from the beginning. Logic is not taught up front. What education is provided for such free thought in earlier courses have become optional and replaces them with those that require rote memory first. Emphasis is placed on how well we can reference other people's efforts to be sure they get their earned copyright recognition. We are not allowed to 'own' our own independent ideas unless we can compete with the referee gatekeepers' capacity to screen out those they may simply ignore in favor of those they like.

I'm enjoying my present capacity to speak freely on the Internet while it still exists. But even as this evolves, in time this format too will lose to the authorities and gatekeepers who will eventually lock up these virtual properties in favor of those who inherit from the original masterminds that created it. Then, just as all media enterprises evolve, they'll fall into more consolidated hands of the children of the children who inherited it. And then only views that least threaten their empires will be allowed.
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Post by placid » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:22 pm

Lausten wrote:Since you are so intent on us keeping with the meat of your discussions, what did you think of the links I supplied?
N/A

And FYI, you don't have to keep with the meat of my discussions at all, it's your decision whether you want to talk about my thread starters, people appear on my threads, making daft or useless no-substance comments. Stay away if you've got nothing interesting to say on the topic. It's my thread, I have overall authority over how it is steered.

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Post by TJrandom » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:54 pm

placid wrote:... I have overall authority over how it is steered.
Oh? (Ooops, I forgot... it does fit, silly me - more BS from placid.)

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:59 pm

placid, the confused hippy wrote: Stay away if you've got nothing interesting to say on the topic. It's my thread, I have overall authority over how it is steered.
placid, the confused hippy, last week wrote:........
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placid wrote:
Lausten wrote:It is a very sophisticated piece of woo. .
Without woo - there is no you.

No woo - No you.
No thanks. I was fine before you arrived, I'll be fine without your woo.
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Post by Lausten » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:12 am

placid wrote:
Lausten wrote:Since you are so intent on us keeping with the meat of your discussions, what did you think of the links I supplied?
N/A

And FYI, you don't have to keep with the meat of my discussions at all, it's your decision whether you want to talk about my thread starters, people appear on my threads, making daft or useless no-substance comments. Stay away if you've got nothing interesting to say on the topic. It's my thread, I have overall authority over how it is steered.
You are doing the forum equivalent of holding your hands over your ears and saying la-la-la-la-la.

There is no authority here other than the posted rules. Besides that, there is only reasonableness. It is easier to impose negative socialization because you can't delete my posts, you can't speak over me. You can not read me, but others can, and that bothers you, as it should. You have to make a reasonable argument backed up by evidence. And evidence is included as part of philosophy, BTW, so don't try to slip by that. I can explain that further if you'd like.

I provided links that speak directly to the video you posted. I respected your post, I was intrigued by the title, and about 10 minutes in I started yelling at it. You could have googled one of the names from it just as easy as I did. But even if you did, apparently you ignored the hits. That's what I was saying about showing that you are listening. You're not. You don't care. You've said it yourself.
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Post by Lausten » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:28 am

Scott Mayers wrote: Emphasis is placed on how well we can reference other people's efforts to be sure they get their earned copyright recognition. We are not allowed to 'own' our own independent ideas unless we can compete with the referee gatekeepers' capacity to screen out those they may simply ignore in favor of those they like.
Where did you get all that? How paranoid can you get? The scientific method is the exact opposite of a gatekeeper. Name one gatekeeper. And you're upset because you have to go to school to understand how the universe works? Have you ever looked at the equations that go into understanding the building blocks? That is brash anti-intellectualism at it's worst.
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Post by Gord » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:16 am

Lausten wrote:There is no authority here other than the posted rules. Besides that, there is only reasonableness.
Reasonableness isn't in the posted rules? Oh. My. Glob. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!
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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by placid » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:44 am

Lausten wrote:
placid wrote:
Lausten wrote:Since you are so intent on us keeping with the meat of your discussions, what did you think of the links I supplied?
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And FYI, you don't have to keep with the meat of my discussions at all, it's your decision whether you want to talk about my thread starters, people appear on my threads, making daft or useless no-substance comments. Stay away if you've got nothing interesting to say on the topic. It's my thread, I have overall authority over how it is steered.
You are doing the forum equivalent of holding your hands over your ears and saying la-la-la-la-la.

There is no authority here other than the posted rules. Besides that, there is only reasonableness. It is easier to impose negative socialization because you can't delete my posts, you can't speak over me. You can not read me, but others can, and that bothers you, as it should. You have to make a reasonable argument backed up by evidence. And evidence is included as part of philosophy, BTW, so don't try to slip by that. I can explain that further if you'd like.

I provided links that speak directly to the video you posted. I respected your post, I was intrigued by the title, and about 10 minutes in I started yelling at it. You could have googled one of the names from it just as easy as I did. But even if you did, apparently you ignored the hits. That's what I was saying about showing that you are listening. You're not. You don't care. You've said it yourself.
If I've ignored something you were trying to show me, I apologise, I have been getting slightly confused lately with all the negative comments from people, I can't tell who is being genuine with me and who is mocking me. People on here are all over my threads with nothing much to say except to mock.

I'm not sure what links you are referring to I can't see any on this thread, but I do recall this post taken from another thread, is this the post with the link you are referring to?
I read them just fine, and I respond to specific things you say, and you come back with explanations about how the universe is constructed that have nothing to do with what anyone has said. If you think I haven't been there, find my oldest threads in the Letting Go of God forum. Here's where I made the big switch.. Pyrrho would have to restore the old Julia Sweeney forum to see my real classics, when I was arguing for some sort of liberal Christianity. But it's not about what I argued for or against, it's the difference between someone who is listening and someone who is not. Some people I have never met had a lot of patience with me as I worked through my particular brand of woo. Some of them had a good time making fun of me too. It was always my choice to choose who to listen to and who to dismiss.
I did click on this link but what was I supposed to look at? was I supposed to sift through loads and loads of words to get to something specific? maybe it would help if you could bold out exactly what it was you wanted me to look at to give you an opinion on? and then maybe now we can meet on some level playing field instead of being negative toward each other, that's if you are still interested.

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Gord » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:09 am

Gord wrote:
Lausten wrote:There is no authority here other than the posted rules. Besides that, there is only reasonableness.
Reasonableness isn't in the posted rules? Oh. My. Glob. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!
That is so true.
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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Poodle » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:06 am

placid wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:You're confusing natural philosophy with science.
Sometimes the metaphysics behind the attempts to understand the results of experiment is mixed up with bad philosophy. There really is a philosophy behind science, and the way the world is described to us from the results of experiment is often much more difficult to explain than it is to make happen in experiment.


Some of the big names in the philosophy of science field are.....

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The skeptics society SCIENCE FORUM.... short list of members

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Poodle.....
At last we're seeing the real you. Slime.

There's a sub-forum here especially for degenerates like yourself.


Hmmm, nice forum, nice people.
I'll be sure to look in here every day to further my scientific knowledge.

You have some nerve. I would remind the forum that my words came in response to your obnoxious attempt to redefine the activities of a certain Adolf Hitler, and I stand by what I said. Deleting the posts in which you so exposed your distasteful attitudes changes nothing. Please refrain, in future, from quoting me out of context.

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by Poodle » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:25 am

Just to serve as a reminder, placid wrote ...

"Where do people get the information that Hitler was a nasty Jew-killer? ... Hitler had to do something, He was a leader trying to protect his country ... Hitler was coerced into war by forces higher up on the political chessboard ... we cannot hold him entirely responsible for what happened. Hitler was not the baddie that people make him out to be."

You have no ground from which to jump on your high horse.

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Re: Life without a centre.

Post by placid » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:45 am

Poodle wrote:

You have some nerve. I would remind the forum that my words came in response to your obnoxious attempt to redefine the activities of a certain Adolf Hitler, and I stand by what I said. Deleting the posts in which you so exposed your distasteful attitudes changes nothing. Please refrain, in future, from quoting me out of context.
I could say that about you as well, maybe you have quoted me out of context.This is not about pushing other's down into a little box to make us look better and bigger, it's about mutual understanding about the nature of who we really are. I attempted to say something that you interpreted as distasteful which was not my intent at all. But hey perceive my words as you like it's your point of observation, it's the programme you are tuned into, it's none of my business if that's how you choose to perceive reality.

Going back to my post about Adolf Hitler which I still stand by.

I said Adolf Hitler acts were an act of Love, which from my point of observation is all there is. He is LOVE but acted on his thoughts, which he assumed was his thoughts, he didn't have to act on them, he is not his thoughts, if he knew he was not his thoughts there might have been a different outcome. The consciousness acting through and as Adolf the body mind computer was choosing to experience that reality,when the body mind computer misidentifies itself as separateness with the deluded sense of survive mentality then he will create something that he feels he needs to defend. Consciousness is one unit, it is not at war with itself, it does not have the sense of survival mentality, it is already eternal, free, and abundant as pure energy, it is Love.... 'thoughts' arising in Consciousness are mistaken for the sense of separate self as 'thoughts arising within' which become the illusory world.
Consciousness /awareness looks on in detachment at the woes of the world because it is Pure Love.
It is not a SELF,.... a self is a just a 'thought' which is illusory.
Consciousness /awareness is unconditional Love - it is the unconditional experiencing of everything that is on every level infinitely.

It was plainly clear that Adolf was acting on his 'thoughts' of which the consequences were felt, chaos ensued because of a misidentification by body consciousness, a sense of separateness.

Adolf the name does not exist, except as concept, or thought - 'thoughts' exist.
A thought acting on a thought is the delusion we our self are creating, in the same way we create a computer game. The characters in the game have no power or independent existence apart from the programmer. We are the programmer, not the programme. The characters only have power when the programmer give them power.
Adolf probably did not know that he was not his separate name and form, or that he was infinite consciousness, maybe he did I don't know.

My point throughout all my discussions is that we are not our name and form, we are points of observation or infinite consciousness expressing and experiencing itself as and through the body/mind computer. We have power to change the programme any time we like, if we don't like the programme we can change it by shifting our point of observation.

As consciousness we are not born, only the telescope is born, the point of observation.
Observation is infinite consciousness without beginning or end having a finite experience.
Nothing ever happens to Consciousness, the proof is known intimately, you experience changes in your body from baby to teenager, to adulthood to old age and eventually death. All these changes are taking place while the consciousness you are is not moving anywhere, or changing, it is the same consciousness you've had all your life.

You do not have to believe anything I am saying here, I'm not asking people to believe this, I am simply expressing a point of observation as the Consciousness I am. This is my point of observation, it is how I perceive my reality.
I cannot get into your's or any one else's world, neither can you get into mine, because all is one consciousness expressing itself infinitely, to know my world you would have to know a 'thought' but thoughts cannot know other thoughts for one very good reason.