Perhaps split History category?

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Post by David » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:14 am

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have a system of
dealing with non-Believers whose ideas they
can't answer and fear...it is called "Shunning".

That seems appropriate!

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Post by BlueSpark » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:11 pm

Shunning seems a bit extreme David. Ignoring, or realizing that there are far better things to do than take nonsense seriously, seems okay though.

Oh wait, I'm not ignoring you! I'll shut up now.

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Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:09 pm

Subforum added. Holocaust topics have been moved there. Deciding factor? Holocaust reference in the Mozart topic.

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Post by izittrue » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:30 pm

Maestro wrote:Subforum added. Holocaust topics have been moved there. Deciding factor? Holocaust reference in the Mozart topic.


thank u maestro and thank u doctor x....
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Post by izittrue » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:54 pm

Doctor X wrote:See! He perpetuates the myth of Mozart's gas chambers!!

--J.D.


are they really gas chamberz?
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Post by Skepchick » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:37 am

Doctor X wrote:See! He perpetuates the myth of Mozart's gas chambers!!

--J.D.


I read a story many years back about a russian tuba player who was held in one of the camps on Soviet soil. Camp bosses compiled a band making people play joyful music as victims were escorted to execution, or when they arrived at camp. He wrote that he tried to get out of it, but was beaten and threatened with death, so he chose to continue. People walking past him shot him glances he could not forget. After liberation, he never picked up an instrument and retained a hatred of any kind of music- had no radios, left his orchestra, would not attend any concerts. I am wondering how common this might have been, I believe these types of orchestras were commonplace.

Here is a link about a similar story

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/arts/musVicti.htm

At each of the five extermination camps, the Nazis created orchestras of prisoner-musicians, forcing them to play while their fellow prisoners marched to the gas chambers. The suicide rate among musicians was higher than that of most other camp workers except the death details. Many musicians had been forced to watch helplessly as their friends and families were destroyed. Auschwitz had six orchestras, one of which contained 100-120 musicians.

Fania Fenelon, describes her experience as a member of a women's orchestra in Auschwitz from January 1944 to liberation in her book Playing for Time. Fenelon states that even though she had clean clothes and daily showers, she had to play "gay, light music and marching music for hours on end while our eyes witnessed the marching of thousands of people to the gas chambers and ovens."
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