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Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by vanderpoel » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:48 am

Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court, despite the accusations of Anita Hill. Why? Because nobody listened to her. As things go, Anita is a lawyer, a thinking woman.

If Anita Hill would have acted like a feeling female, pulled out a lace handkerchief and batted her eyes, thinking males would have supported her. Because thinking males love to support feeling females.

But thinking males do not support thinking females. Theyʻre the competition. If you punched them in the mouth, theyʻd punch you right back.

Not even feeling females support thinking females. Instead feeling females prefer to support other feeling females, empathy etc. comes natural to them.

How can you tell if youʻre a thinking or feeling type?
It depends on what kind of decisions do you prefer making. True/false decisions on the basis of truth are a thinking preference. whereas good/bad decisions on the basis of value are a feeling preference.

The reason why gender differences are so hard to understand is because we confuse being male with preferring true/false judgments, logical decisions.

Even though 60% of males do prefer making such true/false decisions, still 40% prefer good/bad judgments, which are value decisions.

Similarly, we confuse being female with preferring to make good/bad judgments, value decisions. In fact 70% do, but 30% do not.

In most other dimensions of personality type, men and women are evenly divided,
but not with thinking and feeling types: 60% of males are thinking types, 40% are feeling types, whereas only 30% of females are thinking types and a whopping 70% are feeling types.

So, the problem with saying that all men from Mars and all women are from Venus is that theyʻre not. Just 60% of men may be, 40% are definitely not from Mars, 70% of women could be from Venus, but 30% are not at all.

The rules for females are made by feeling females, simply because there are so many of them. But they donʻt know any more about being female than thinking females do.

Most women in the media are thinking females. Easy to tell, when was the last time you saw an apron on TV?

If you are a thinking female you also have more male friends than feeling females.
But the reason is not that they are males, but because men are mostly thinking types. You have something in common and somebody to talk to.

After all, thinking females canʻt talk makeup all the time. :mrgreen:
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by Martin Brock » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:54 am

Cause the bitches are so {!#%@} up in the head.
People associating freely respect norms of their choice, and relationships governed this way are necessarily interdependent.

More central authorities conquer by dividing, imposing norms channeling the value of synergy toward themselves.

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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by vanderpoel » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:23 am

Martin Brock wrote:Cause the bitches are so {!#%@} up in the head.
Are you trying to proof that ʻbitchesʻ are not gender specific?
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Post by brauneyz » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:40 pm

Martin Brock wrote:Cause the bitches are so {!#%@} up in the head.
Well hello, Martin. Welcome back. You've been rather quiet. Had a bad run lately? I would love for you to expound on this statement. As it stands, I'm a bit confused. :?
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by Gord » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:02 pm

vanderpoel wrote:So, the problem with saying that all men from Mars and all women are from Venus is that theyʻre not. Just 60% of men may be, 40% are definitely not from Mars, 70% of women could be from Venus, but 30% are not at all.
The women I date seem to come from the Mooooon.

140 lbs?? Pshyeah! Not in this gravity well, baby!



(Hint: On the Moon, you would weight one sixth your normal weight as measured on the Earth. ;) )
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Post by gypsy » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:26 pm

"The Beauty Myth" explains a lot to me, though in more detail and in a way that is rather frustrating in that it goes on and on when the point could've been made and move on.
I think that it's not that men are more thinking and women are less but rather the societal roles that women have been subjected to, where it has become practically second nature to not think, hence the beauty myth. Look pretty and you will find a man, get that job, etc but that also pits one against the norm. You can be pretty and smart but the smart is downplayed because of the pretty. I can't explain it well but just looking at the marketing done toward men and women and the roles women play in commercials and television. FAUX news has beauty for women anchors, so what does that tell the viewers? That beauty is more important. Granted, the tides are changing in the sense that Viagra, cures for baldness, and bowflex are attempting to push men toward the beauty myth but those are outweighed by Jenny Craig, out patient plastic surgery, and women specific beauty products in any given 24 hr period. Beauty pageants, porn, fashion industry all show that women are placed higher on looks, not smarts, simply because those three pay more than average to a women than a "thinking" job--teacher/professor, banker, etc. A handful of top models, popular actresses imprint young female minds with unreachable standards, so their focus is turned toward beauty, not smarts.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by vanderpoel » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:05 pm

What we appreciate in the opposite sex is the brain, but somehow we think it resides in the ass. We know that because we refer to a brainless person as a dumb ass.
We also think with our genitals and we f-ck somebodyʻs brains out by sticking it up the ass. We think of it as a beautiful thing.

However, whether we value the brain as an asset in our relations with the opposite sex or whether we are intimidated by it, beauty without a brain is like an egg without salt. Poached, scrambled or over easy, no matter how you put the sunny side up, it will taste bland and on top of that, it will get cold if you donʻt eat it.

What is beautiful is not just looks or feelings but also attitude. What is beautiful in the bedroom is not beautiful on the runway, yet both require attitude and having a brain is a prerequisite.

The idea that advertising is responsible for the skinny look of women at the expense of full-figured bodies is not right. Fashion is. Advertising is merely promoting the vision of the designers. We have to understand that this is not a vision of the much touted gay element of the fashion industry, but that of the sculptors of fabric, true artists in their own right.

We might appreciate that theyʻre not designing awnings or tents or flags for manure ships. They are painters a la Modigliani and unlike Rubens. Their designs just look better on runway models than Playboy bunnies. That does not make them ferries, it makes them artists.

The idea that TV promotes beauty over brains is not correct. TV promotes beauty over ugliness just as it promotes stupidity over smarts. Besides, the idea that beautiful women are stupid is just as assumptive as the idea that ugly men are smart.

If you donʻt believe me, check out the mouth of Glen Beck on Fox and the bank account of Angelina Jolie.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by Chachacha » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:22 pm

Vanderpoel wrote:If Anita Hill would have acted like a feeling female, pulled out a lace handkerchief and batted her eyes, thinking males would have supported her. Because thinking males love to support feeling females.
Men are susceptible to feminine wiles. A tear, a "poor me", any sign of distress, no matter how trivial or serious, like the women tied to the railroad tracks in silent films, will bring out the chivalrous side of any man who has a chivalrous side. A request for assistance which requires brute strength, such as opening a jar of pickles, is a call to arms, and the batting eyelashes and cooing, "Ohhhh, you're so strong!" will create a reaction in a man, even if he knows she could have opened it herself.

I find this interaction delightful. I try to remember to do it for a man/men to brighten their day a bit; and I giggle whenever I see another woman doing it.

Speaking of silent films, a great medium for examples of females using their feminine ways and the male response; and men using their masculine ways and the female response.

I'm smiling from ear to ear as I write this - so many examples come to mind: face to face interactions, on-line interactions, books, movies, great literature, notes passed in school, the nature channel, young females and young males discovering and experimenting with this power they have to create a reaction in each other - it's everywhere, among all creatures, and one of the sweetest things to experience or watch others experience.

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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by Gord » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:23 pm

I said, "Make me a sandwich."
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Gord wrote:I said, "Make me a sandwich."
*poof*

you're a sandwich...
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bigtim wrote:
Gord wrote:I said, "Make me a sandwich."
*poof*

you're a sandwich...
Oooh, a big hairy fairy...! Are you gonna eat me now?

Mmm, baby! Make me a MANwich! :soppy:
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by bigtim » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:59 am

Gord wrote:
bigtim wrote:
Gord wrote:I said, "Make me a sandwich."
*poof*

you're a sandwich...
Oooh, a big hairy fairy...! Are you gonna eat me now?

Mmm, baby! Make me a MANwich! :soppy:
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Post by zorba » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:21 am

Bump.

There are two types of people in the world: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't.
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Post by Chachacha » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:10 pm

zorba wrote:Bump.

There are two types of people in the world: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't.
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That is so true!

I'm a divider. What are you?

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Post by vanderpoel » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:21 pm

I'm a uniter.
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Post by zorba » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:59 am

vanderpoel:

Your posts on this topic are excellent. They are thought provoking, well written, and interesting. You are addressing an issue which can have very important implications in the way people relate to each other. Thanks for introducing the thread. Do you have other thoughts you would like to share about gender differences and personality types?

Chachacha: "I'm a divider. What are you? "

My opinion is that there are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary arithmetic, and those who don't. (Math geek joke, groan.)

I am a complex man living in a complex world which is full of other complex people. My opinions, views, beliefs, and theories are complex; they seldom fit on a bumper sticker. I enjoy learning by listening to other people's opinions and views by reading in a wide range of subjects, face to face conversations (my favorite), attending lectures and conferences, and participating in forums. I am often fascinated by facts and theories which are supported by strong evidence but which are counter-intuitive and contrary to popular opinion and conventional wisdom. My "zorba" screen name originated from my fascination with "heart vs. head" questions which are a major theme in Zorba the Greek.

I think that the theory of personality types to which vanderpoels refers can help us understand that people perceive and interpret things differently. Having some understanding of how the people in our lives perceive things and how they make decisions can help us become more empathetic, compassionate, flexible in the way we respond to people, and better able to appreciate views and perspectives which are different from ours.

If vanderpoel's statistics about the percentages of thinking and feeling men and women are accurate, then over 50% of heterosexual marriages and relationships consist of a thinking and a feeling partner. And over 40% of all heterosexual relationships consist of a thinking man and a feeling woman (TMFW). Vanderpoel's statistics are in general agreement with a lot of the research which has been done based on the Meyers-Briggs theory of personality types. These percentages would vary based on how you define the types and what kind of measurements you use.

But I think that it is safe to say that a significant percentage of relationships are TMFW and that TMFW is the most common of the possible combinations. Many (maybe most) of the men and women in those relationships probably experience some problems in communication, decision making, and conflict resolution which are related to a poor understanding of their partners' feelings, attitudes, and values. The men and women in these relationships would probably benefit from a better understanding of how people with different personality types perceive, make decisions, and communicate differently.

A big advantage of thinking and talking in terms of personality types is that it is easier for clients and non-professionals to understand. A danger is that it can lead to pigeon holing and stereotyping. Theories about the "thinking man" and the "feeling woman" can be distorted in a way which seems to reinforce common stereotypes such as "Women can't (or don't) think logically," or "Men are unable to express feelings or to listen empathetically." I think vanderpoel and most other professionals who use this theory understand that thinking men and feeling women are not all alike and that no individual perfectly matches the textbook description of a personality type.

Most people with a thinking personality type can and do express their emotions and sometimes make decisions based on emotional considerations, but they don't do it as often and may not be as good at it as a feeling type. Most people with a feeling personality type can and often do think logically depending on the situation, but they will usually place less emphasis and value on the importance of logical reasoning.

Although I recognize the usefulness and value in the personality type theory which vanderpoel uses, I conceptualize the thinking vs feeling issue somewhat differently than vanderpoel. I often refer to personality style rather than type, and I often think of the degree to which a person tends be T or F to occur within a range along a continuum rather than a dichotomy of two types. (Some researchers have used the raw scores from the MBTI rather than using the scores to determine a type. This allows them to consider the degree to which a person is thinking or feeling.) I tend to view a person's position on the thinking-feeling continuum as somewhat fluid and varying over time and in different situations. I also think it is possible for some people to function frequently and fluently in either mode, just as some people are ambidextrous in the use of their hands for many tasks

In workshops, classes, and discussions, I have sometimes explained it in terms of percentages. At any given time in a particular situation, a person is functioning partly in feeling mode and partly in thinking mode, say 70% thinking and 30% feeling when he is at work. When he is angry, he may shift towards 60% feeling and 40% thinking. But when that person is making love, he will shift (we hope) on the T/F continuum towards more feeling and less thinking, possibly more like 90% feeling and 10% thinking. His thinking may be reduced to a level at which he is barely able to remember to remove his socks, to find a condom, and to proceed without breaking anything or disturbing the neighbors. (The percentages are for illustration. There is no accurate and objective way to put a number on it.) To me, saying that a person has a thinking personality style means that in most situations he usually tends to function in a mode that consists of a greater part thinking than feeling.

Well, I sure said a mouthful. I told you my views are complex. You can see why a counselor might find it easier to explain it to a client in terms of dichotomous personality types.

So tell me, Chachacha, do you believe that thinking men can be empathetic, emotionally open, romantic, and sensitive to a woman's emotional needs; or are those areas in which thinking types just don't get it? Do you know how to dance the chachacha?
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Post by Gord » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:58 am

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Post by vanderpoel » Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:31 am

zorba wrote:vanderpoel:
Most people with a feeling personality type can and often do think logically depending on the situation, but they will usually place less emphasis and value on the importance of logical reasoning. ...Although I recognize the usefulness and value in the personality type theory which vanderpoel uses, I conceptualize the thinking vs feeling issue somewhat differently than vanderpoel.
Well, I don't think I described it as a thinking vs feeling issue and I certainly don't agree with that assessment. What we describe as types are merely preferences that get a person by. These preferences are innate and don't change depending on the situation.
Most importantly, they have the same value.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by zorba » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:08 pm

Gord:

I like to fish, but I hate catching fish

Zorba:
Is that because you were doing something else while fishing that you did not want to interrupt?

vanderpoel:

You use a theory based on dichotomous T and F (and other) preferences and 16 types. A theoretical model that refers to thinking and feeling personality styles on a continuous scale (or to separate T and F scales) makes more sense to me as well as to a lot of researchers and personality theorists.

I agree that it is not a thinking vs. feeling issue; I used the "vs." as a shorthand to mean thinking compared to feeling or thinking and feeling. That wording was ambiguous and may have led to a misunderstanding. I agree that both Feeling and Thinking have the same value; one is not better than the other. I have not stated or implied otherwise. I did state that many Thinking and Feeling types place a different degree of importance or a different level of value on logical reasoning. That is often part of the different perceptions and values which accompany the thinking and feeling styles.

When I refer to Thinking and Feeling styles, I am referring to a concept that is different (but overlapping) from the MBTI concept of Feeling and Thinking preferences. Both are more or less useful theoretical constructs, and neither has been proven to be correct or incorrect.

We both believe that differences in personality lead to differences in the way people perceive, believe, communicate, and make decisions. In that respect we are on common ground, regardless of how personality differences are measured or defined. Within that context of common ground, I would like to think that we can discuss personality differences as related to gender, communication, decision making, etc. without getting into discussions about whose theory is better.
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zorba wrote:Gord:

I like to fish, but I hate catching fish

Zorba:
Is that because you were doing something else while fishing that you did not want to interrupt?
Yes. Fishing. Then a damn fish had to come along and interrupt me!
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I had "Gender training" in the Navy back in the early '80s. The class was taught by a crusty old chief who started off with this classic:

Face it, guys, women just don't think like people.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by vanderpoel » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:49 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:I had "Gender training" in the Navy back in the early '80s. The class was taught by a crusty old chief who started off with this classic:

Face it, guys, women just don't think like people.
Funny! I suppose that letting off steam like that will make you old and crusty, or worse, confuse young men about what they want to become when they grow up.
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vanderpoel wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:I had "Gender training" in the Navy back in the early '80s. The class was taught by a crusty old chief who started off with this classic:

Face it, guys, women just don't think like people.
Funny! I suppose that letting off steam like that will make you old and crusty, or worse, confuse young men about what they want to become when they grow up.

Look what happened to you... you turned out to be a big thingy.
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No big deal... Men around men is always a macho contest. At home with their wifes it's probably yes dear, no dear, especially if she's a good cook.

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vanderpoel wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:I had "Gender training" in the Navy back in the early '80s. The class was taught by a crusty old chief who started off with this classic:

Face it, guys, women just don't think like people.
Funny! I suppose that letting off steam like that will make you old and crusty, or worse, confuse young men about what they want to become when they grow up.
Look what happened to you... you turned out to be a big thingy.
All my wives have complimented me on being able to see their side of an argument. I guess I didn't turn out too bad.
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vanderpoel » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:48 am
Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court, despite the accusations of Anita Hill. Why? Because nobody listened to her. As things go, Anita is a lawyer, a thinking woman.>>

It didn't matter if she was believed or not because Thomas was already in, at least that was what I heard on TV.

As for women seeking equality in the job world, forget it. It isn't that they can't cut it. It's because they might quit in the middle of a project to have a baby
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Post by OutOfBreath » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:43 am

A-number wrote: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I have a riddle for you guys, I am traditionalist yet a tomboy, now how do you sort this one out :P ?
Weeell, we could just treat you as the individual you are? Isn't that "sorting" enough? ;)

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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by vanderpoel » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:26 pm

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A-number wrote: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I have a riddle for you guys, I am traditionalist yet a tomboy, now how do you sort this one out :P ?
Weeell, we could just treat you as the individual you are? Isn't that "sorting" enough? ;)

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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by OutOfBreath » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:29 pm

A-number wrote:
OutOfBreath wrote:
A-number wrote: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I have a riddle for you guys, I am traditionalist yet a tomboy, now how do you sort this one out :P ?
Weeell, we could just treat you as the individual you are? Isn't that "sorting" enough? ;)

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Now what do you mean by that Dan since my type is kind of "paradoxical" :P.
It's called being human, or so I'm told... ;)

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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by OlegTheBatty » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:24 am

A-number wrote:
Gord wrote:I said, "Make me a sandwich."
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I have a riddle for you guys, I am traditionalist yet a tomboy, now how do you sort this one out :P ?
This how I picture you. A wildcat in a babushka. But rest assured - I am either a very brave or very silly hamster because I am not scared of you.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by Aztexan » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:47 am

My useless hanging stick fears for you.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by HghrSymmetry » Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:35 am

Well Rube, there are compounds available to clear up that "shooting pool with a rope" syndrome (or so I've heard).

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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by Aztexan » Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:46 am

And I've mentioned that the one that works best for me is the combination of a naked woman in heels. Man-made chemicals aren't necessary. But thanks for the laugh. I had that one coming. I am limp with humility. My heart dangles and my head hangs low. It's hard to stand erect after a pounding such as that. I'm gonna stop now that I am a head.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by HghrSymmetry » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:32 am

ruben lopez wrote:And I've mentioned that the one that works best for me is the combination of a naked woman in heels. Man-made chemicals aren't necessary. But thanks for the laugh. I had that one coming. I am limp with humility. My heart dangles and my head hangs low. It's hard to stand erect after a pounding such as that. I'm gonna stop now that I am a head.
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by rickoshay85 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:54 pm

A-number wrote:
vanderpoel wrote: Hey A, I would play baseball with you!
In the missionary position.
Would you consider doing that on a rink as in Hockey rink? or maybe in an outdoor shooting range. I'd woop your cute ass Van :lol: :lol: ...I mean nicely woop, not nasty-ly since you're really sweet guy :mrgreen: .
He may be SM at that. You never really know about those things
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Re: Why gender differences are so hard to understand.

Post by rickoshay85 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:32 pm

Would you consider doing that on a rink as in Hockey rink? or maybe in an outdoor shooting range. I'd woop your cute ass Van :lol: :lol: ...I mean nicely woop, not nasty-ly since you're really sweet guy :mrgreen: .>>

He may be SM at that. Who knows how many there are out there.
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