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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:59 pm

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Thanks!
Ditto. I'm putting the Moorhouse book high on my list.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:18 pm

Damn it, Moorhouse is on my must-read-soon stack of books, which admonishes me very day that I am not keeping pace.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:24 pm

LOL, I’m starting a big backlog myself.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Goody67 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:21 pm

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Goody67 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:44 am

Has anyone read Roy Hattersley’s “Borrowed Time: The Story of Britain Between the Wars“?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:30 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:43 pm
Starting on this today:
Hitler’s Police Battalions: Enforcing Racial War in the East
Almost finished, have about 40 pages left.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:28 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:30 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:43 pm
Starting on this today:
Hitler’s Police Battalions: Enforcing Racial War in the East
Almost finished, have about 40 pages left.
Finished today. I have some thoughts but will share later.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:58 pm

Alright, have a minute.

I thought it was a good book that could’ve spent less chapters on overall indoctrination and more on what the Police Battalions actually did. Over all, good book that I recommend reading with Browning.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:01 pm

Now, I’m in a bit of a conundrum. I’m waiting on Hasting’s book on Vietnam. I’m not sure when it’s going to get released to me so I might reread something to pass the time.
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“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:17 pm

Settled on Max Hasting’s “Inferno.” Taking a brief vacation, hoping to get the book on Vietnam soon.
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Groening:
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“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Denying-History » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:57 am

Books I newly finished:

- Machete Season: The Killers in Rwanda Speak by Jean Hatzfeld

- We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families: Stories from Rwanda by Philip Gourevitch

- Rethinking Srebrenica By Stephen Karganovic

- The Shallow Graves of Rwanda by Shaharyar M. Khan

- The Limits of humanitarian intervention: Genocide in Rwanda by Alan Kuperman

- Republican Party Animal by David Cole

- The Great Game of Genocide by Donald Bloxham

- The victims return by Stephen Cohen

- Stalins Agent by Boris Volodarsky

Probably more but this is what I remember
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:23 am

You’ve really branched out.

:D

I keep telling myself to do the same.
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Denying-History » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:23 am
You’ve really branched out.

:D

I keep telling myself to do the same.
Telling you it’s not worth it, but go ahead if you’d like. If you ever start reading on Rwanda let me know.
« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:28 am

Denying-History wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:23 am
You’ve really branched out.

:D

I keep telling myself to do the same.
Telling you it’s not worth it, but go ahead if you’d like. If you ever start reading on Rwanda let me know.
Will do. Have a book on Vietnam coming in the next week or so.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:44 am

For those of you interested in UK punk, the Punk Professor Matt Worley published a fine work in 2017 which examines UK punk, British Youth sub culture and how it fits and reflects back upon the Politics of the time. Visiting such stations as contested meanings, Art School punk, Situationism, Garry Bushell, Oi punk, Anarcho punk, women in Punk, the Gay punk scene and so on, I thoroughly recommend it as an antidote to nostalgia.

Worley, Matthew.
'No Future. Punk, Politics and British Youth Culture, 1976, 1984.'
Cambridge University Press 2017.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:09 am

"For those of you interested in UK punk" . . . there are people who aren't? :)
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:45 am

I can think of a few...
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:53 am

For those like MikeN and gorgeous (plus the departed Charles/Ian) who love them some Trump, “A Case for Trump” written by Victor Davis is now available. Apparently Newt Gingrich thinks it’s swell.... :lol:
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Goody67 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:07 am

A few books I ordered the other day:

DR David Reynolds, America, Empire of Liberty: A New History

Richard J. Evans, In Hitler's Shadow: West German Historians and the Attempt to Escape from the Nazi Past

Wilhelm Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Damien Lewis, Churchill's Secret Warriors: The Explosive True Story of the Special Forces Desperadoes of WWII
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:28 am

>> Wilhelm Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Crazy book. Weird guy.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:38 am

Deep breath...getting ready to buy Longerich’s Himmler biography....

Done. It’s a Kindle version. Too late to turn back now... :D
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:39 am

I also bought “The Forgotten Holocaust, the Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944.”
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:11 am

Is the book on Poland by Lukas?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Is the book on Poland by Lukas?
Yes. Have you read it?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:35 pm

yes, years ago, i recall its being meh and a little polenical but worth reading
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:29 pm

I'm planning a kind of longish trip to Europe in a few weeks. I won't be able to work during that time on the book project that's preoccupied me and is taking my time. I am will be bringing along a half dozen or so books on France during the war and 3-4 titles on Romania. I don't foresee any reading between now and then, as I have to finish up a phase of the project before I leave.

In June I am taking a trip into enemy-held territory in the US, driving for 3 weeks. My study of the Holocaust has been and will be seriously compromised by all this. At this point, I can't even recall who was chancellor of Germany during the war years.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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I can't even recall who was chancellor of Germany during the war years.
I think the initials were AH.
Alfred Holtz? That seem right to you?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:16 pm

Adenoid Hynkel?
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Alrich Heimdal?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:42 pm

Slowly working my way through Inferno. After that I’m not sure, I pushed off Hastings’ book on Vietnam until later.
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
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Harvard Crimson (on why it refused to run an add by Bradley Smith):
“(It is) vicious propaganda based on utter BS that has been discredited time and time again.”

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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>> Wilhelm Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Crazy book. Weird guy.
What makes you think that?

It's just another perspective of how and why the popularity of the Nazis and the Third Reich happened.
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:39 am
I also bought “The Forgotten Holocaust, the Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944.”
I read that book a few years ago. I also read his other known book Did the Children Cry?: Hitler's War Against Jewish and Polish Children, 1939-44 around the same time. Both books were decent reads, but don't expect to find anything too revealing in either book.
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Goody67 wrote:
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I also bought “The Forgotten Holocaust, the Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944.”
I read that book a few years ago. I also read his other known book Did the Children Cry?: Hitler's War Against Jewish and Polish Children, 1939-44 around the same time. Both books were decent reads, but don't expect to find anything too revealing in either book.
Thanks. It looked like a decent overall look at the subject. It was also decently priced.
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Goody67 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:00 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:28 am
>> Wilhelm Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Crazy book. Weird guy.
What makes you think that?

It's just another perspective of how and why the popularity of the Nazis and the Third Reich happened.
vegetotherapy, orgone/Orgonon, delusions of grandeur, conspiracy theorizing . . .

Nazism as the outcome of sexual repression and the blocking of sex energy or some such (IIRC - I read the book in the '70s), a theory which in later life he seemed to apply to the situation he faced with the US feds . . . but, yeah, Reich was truly weird; he died in a federal penitentiary serving time for criminal contempt relating to his orgone boxes (not to applaud the feds' destruction of his books, etc, but Reich was friggin' odd)
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:09 pm

I decided to start a reading project I’ve been considering for some time. I purchased Reitlinger, etc. because I wanted to see how this evolved over the years. I’m starting with Rees’ “Holocaust: A New History,” it’s the most recent work I can think of.

Once I finish that I will read “Harvest of Hate: The Nazi Program for the Destruction of the Jews” by L. Poliakov (1954 publish date, 1st edition).” It’s a first edition. Then Cesarani, Reitlinger, etc. Once I get through I will go on to other things. This should keep me busy for a bit.
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.....and hopefully out of trouble.... :D
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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Post by Goody67 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:06 am

I added some books to my Amazon basket which I shall purchase in the next couple of months.

Edwin Black, War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race
Stefan Kuhl, The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism
Melissa Kravetz, Women Doctors in Weimar and Nazi Germany: Maternalism, Eugenics, and Professional Identity
Ingrid Von Oelhafen, Hitler's Forgotten Children: The Shocking True Story of the Nazi Kidnapping Conspiracy
Ihor Kamenetsky, Secret Nazi Plans for Eastern Europe: A Study of Lebensraum Policies
Antonio Iturbe, The Librarian of Auschwitz
Valerie Weinstein, Antisemitism in Film Comedy in Nazi Germany
Walter Kempowski, Swansong 1945: A Collective Diary of the Last Days of the Third Reich
Richard Dargie, Hitler's Last Day: The Final Hours of the Führer
Frank Bajohr and Andrea Löw, The Holocaust and European Societies: Social Processes and Social Dynamics
Kadya Molodovsky, A Jewish Refugee in New York: Rivke Zilberg's Journal
Martin W Bowman, The Reich Intruders: RAF Light Bomber Raids in World War II
Nicholas Churchich, Marxism and Morality: A Critical Examination of Marxist Ethics
Uma Chakravarti, Everyday Lives, Everyday Histories - Beyond the Kings and Brahmanas of 'Ancient' India
Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie, Trump's Enemies: How the Deep State Is Undermining the Presidency
Michael Ignatieff, The Ordinary Virtues
Peter Bloom, The Ethics of Neoliberalism: The Business of Making Capitalism Moral
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:09 pm

two interesting-looking new books on former Nazis in post-war Germany: Felix Bohr, Kriegsverbrecherlobby (War Criminals Lobby) and Willi Winkler, Das braune Netz (the Brown Network)
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Post by Goody67 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:21 pm

A few books that are going to be released soon that look decent reads:

Sepp de Giampietro, Blood and Soil: The Memoir of A Third Reich Brandenburger
Katrin Paehler, The Third Reich's Intelligence Services: The Career of Walter Schellenberg
Gordon Thomas,
Defying Hitler: The Germans Who Resisted Nazi Rule
“When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion.” - Robert Pirsig