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Post by montgomery » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:39 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:@Jeff_36, I should have appended this question: given the arguments you've made about the air war and both its efficacy and morality, what do you make of the observations and reflections of Kellner, a German civilian affected by the bombings? I think that Kellner's diary, even as he started out welcoming the air war and despite the issues we can take with some of his observations, gives a very different picture to the one you painted in the debates in this thread.
Same as anybody else who comments on the bombing of civilians. Maybe you should try to help him come up with something new?

How about modern American methods? Fuel/air explosions? MOAB's Nuclear?

Or how about something mor exciting? Masturbatory fantasies of hands on forensics?

The whole point of the discussion is:

1. It's moral
2. it's immoral.

But maybe I've missed something?

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Post by Nessie » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:05 pm

The tactics and justifications of aerial bombing, have varied depending on accuracy and the size of the explosion.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:26 pm

Nessie wrote:The tactics and justifications of aerial bombing, have varied depending on accuracy and the size of the explosion.
This thread has looked at a variety of issues regarding the Allied bombing campaign, including the short history of theorizing about air forces in the pre-WWII period, the differences between tactical and strategic bombing; the targets chosen (e.g., industrial or residential); the goals of the bombing; the role of strategic bombing in overall military operations and methodologies; differing strategic conceptions among the Allies; bombing accuracy during WWII and what the Allies knew about the efficacy of their campaigns; how the different combatants built out their military capacities; the experiences of bomber crews; civilian responses; ethical and moral issues along with international law; the argument of "necessity"; the course of the war; individual cases like Dresden, Belgrade, Sofia, western Europe, Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and Guernica; the issue of civilian morale and will to fight; comparative cases like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Yokahoma along with some of the basic recent scholarship.

We tried to judge the Allied campaign in the light of the period and the military situation. Taking into account the multiple factors, those posting in this thread had very different pov's and judgments about the Allied campaign, spelled out at great length and debated in the thread. Another way to look at this is that, given what we knew/learned about accuracy and size of explosive, to take two points, our judgments still differed: participants, had they been in the Allies' shoes, would have handled the air war differently, even given a shared knowledge base. In this vein, among the Allies even during the war differing strategic conceptions and emphases obtained.

The reason I posted at length from Kellner is that one theme in the thread concerned the morality or lack thereof of bombing civilians and Kellner, a German civilian living under the Allied campaign, had reflected as the campaign unfolded on the very issues we discussed in the thread.
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Post by Nessie » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:04 pm

Regarding civilian responses to being bombed and morale, even if it broke down, as it did in Clydebank in the immediate aftermath of the raids, it was soon restored by the police imposing some law and order back on the locals.
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Post by montgomery » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:47 pm

Nessie wrote:The tactics and justifications of aerial bombing, have varied depending on accuracy and the size of the explosion.
Good point Nessie.

1. the tactics have varied.
2. the tactics have stayed basically the same.

And the justification for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians has varied depending on which side did the bombing. And for certain with the Vietnam war, the civilians being slaughtered by the U.S. never effected morale in the least. Other than to improve morale of the murdering bombers. What did hurt morale is when a U.S. bomber was shot down and the body bags were brought home.

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Post by VFX » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:45 am

I think we should look at the distinction between bombing industrial targets, railways, dockyards etc to the bombing of civilians such as Dresden. The first British bombing of German soil occurred on 3 and 4 September, 1939 when eight German sailors were killed at Wilhelmshaven. The Luftwaffe's first attack took until 16th October 1939 when British ships in the Firth of Forth were bombed resulting in the sinking of HMS Mohawk. source
So it seems who started the indiscriminate bombings? Chamberlain had always opposed the use of bombing against urban targets,’ writes Overy, (The Bombing War, Europe, 1939-1945) ‘but Churchill had no conscientious or legal objections.
Overy says that under Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris’s stewardship Bomber Command took things a grisly step further by deliberately targeting German workers to reduce industrial output. It slowly escalated to the bombing of Dresden which murdered 25 000 innocent civilians. This is a war crime.

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Post by Nessie » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:56 am

From that same source (which can hardly be called a source);

"At 04:40 in the morning of 1 September 1939, three waves of Junkers Ju-87B Stukas of the German air force began a bombing raid on the Polish town of Wieluń. They used the hospital in the centre of the town as an aiming point.
The Germans dropped 46 tons of bombs on the city, killing 1,300 civilians. The city was set aflame and 70% of its buildings destroyed.
Afterwards, the Germans claimed that there were Polish military units in the town (there weren't) so their bombing was justified."

The Nazis bombed Poland with whom the British had a treaty and Hitler had ignored an ultimatum, knowing if he invaded, Germany and the UK would be at war.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:34 am

Nessie wrote:From that same source (which can hardly be called a source);

"At 04:40 in the morning of 1 September 1939, three waves of Junkers Ju-87B Stukas of the German air force began a bombing raid on the Polish town of Wieluń. They used the hospital in the centre of the town as an aiming point.
The Germans dropped 46 tons of bombs on the city, killing 1,300 civilians. The city was set aflame and 70% of its buildings destroyed.
Afterwards, the Germans claimed that there were Polish military units in the town (there weren't) so their bombing was justified."

The Nazis bombed Poland with whom the British had a treaty and Hitler had ignored an ultimatum, knowing if he invaded, Germany and the UK would be at war.
In this thread we've debated the nature and goals of the bombing and agreed to disagree. Balsamo and I (in my case relying on Richard Overy) argued that some of those advocating for the Allies' bombing strategy confused operational bombing causing heavy civilian casualties (Warsaw and Rotterdam being good examples) with area bombing campaigns which intentionally targeted civilian morale (and thus civilian targets). Overy and others make clear that the latter became the strategy adopted by British Bomber Command.

Making such distinctions is not a case of parsing but of clarifying intent, strategy, and results - by looking at factors from moral issues to opportunity costs. I am one of those posting in this thread who views Bomber Command's strategy choices as indefensible, which is not a defense of the Blitz or more generally the Luftwaffe whose operational boming was conducted with callous disregard for civilian life, which committed some deliberate atrocities early in the war, and which came to use terror bombing tactics, though (as Kellner got right) not as extensively or as effectively as the British. But the deployment of a consistent strategy of area bombing of civilians, aimed at weakening morale, as a basic part of overall war strategy belongs to Bomber Harris.

Here are two posts from the thread that should clarify what I am saying here: the famous case of Rotterdam (notice that Overy's conclusions, based on research, about the Rotterdam bombing have a different emphasis and tone from Kellner's observations, based on what he thought at the time) and the British area strategy seen in the light of Rotterdam.

I changed a lot of my thinking about some famous episodes in the air war reading Overy, the papers in Firestorm, and other sources cited in the thread.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:00 pm

FWIW Ulrich Van Hassell in his diary said this:
“The disgrace that has sullied the German name through the conduct of the war in Poland, namely the brutal use of air power...”
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Post by montgomery » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:03 pm

You left Jeff36 at a loss for words. You write anad comment too often with no substance.

I suggest you read some WW2 history that speaks of U.S. military performance in battle situations, written by some of the other allies.

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Post by Balsamo » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:29 pm

VFX wrote:I think we should look at the distinction between bombing industrial targets, railways, dockyards etc to the bombing of civilians such as Dresden. The first British bombing of German soil occurred on 3 and 4 September, 1939 when eight German sailors were killed at Wilhelmshaven. The Luftwaffe's first attack took until 16th October 1939 when British ships in the Firth of Forth were bombed resulting in the sinking of HMS Mohawk. source
So it seems who started the indiscriminate bombings? Chamberlain had always opposed the use of bombing against urban targets,’ writes Overy, (The Bombing War, Europe, 1939-1945) ‘but Churchill had no conscientious or legal objections.
Overy says that under Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris’s stewardship Bomber Command took things a grisly step further by deliberately targeting German workers to reduce industrial output. It slowly escalated to the bombing of Dresden which murdered 25 000 innocent civilians. This is a war crime.
Strange that you don't even read your own "source" (quora, hum...). Anyway, in this case the poster Roher H Werner is right. The RAF started bombing targets well behind the front line - which was precisely what the UK promised NOT to do - as soon as May 1940. It also bombed Italian cities in June 1940.
None of those bombings killed a lot of civilians, actually, more RAF crew died than German victims.

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The Germans dropped 46 tons of bombs on the city, killing 1,300 civilians. The city was set aflame and 70% of its buildings destroyed.
Afterwards, the Germans claimed that there were Polish military units in the town (there weren't) so their bombing was justified."
Not to relaunch a polemic, but i am always stupefied by those old numbers when it comes to civilians killed by the Luftwaffe. The Germans must really have had some magic weapons to make their bombing so efficient.

The point here was never to deny that the German did also commit crimes with their planes. And yes, you can commit crimes through tactical bombings, like when the Luftwaffe stroke columns of refugees. It is highly possible that those villages in Poland were used as an exercise, like a rehearsal, for the Stucka's. Nevertheless, none of these actions qualify as "Strategic".

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:03 pm

>> Not to relaunch a polemic

Honestly, this thread went over a lot of issues like these. Your contributions to it were outstanding, btw.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:10 pm

They were, its a great thread. Sans Montys contibution of course.

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Well...thanks.

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Post by Nessie » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:06 pm

My opinion is that the air raids on Wielun (01/09/39), Frampol (13/09/39) and Warsaw (primarily 25/09/39) set the precedent and tone for aerial bombing during WWII. The Nazis claimed military reasons, but many civilians died. Considering Nazi attitudes towards Poles, that "collateral damage", to use the modern term, was totally acceptable. But it was the very start of the war and the Nazis were determined to claim they were justified in their actions and it was legitimate bombing, as they hoped that there was still a chance of peace with the British.

The Blitz on Clydebank in 1941 I can speak on with some authority as it was my university dissertation and, all bet it briefly, civilian moral collapsed and it took force to restore order in the town. I see no reason why Coventry and other places heavily bombed did not have similar problems. The British authorities lied there had been no problems. I am sure as they bombed Hamberg etc and the Nazis claimed civilian moral was fine, the British thought, rubbish, it will be the same as here, the civilian's moral has collapsed and the Nazis are having to use force to restore it.

So, no matter what was claimed by either side as the justification, the reality was, for both sides
- doing something was better than doing nothing
- they knew accuracy was poor
- there was a propaganda boost in bombing, with heroic attacks at the heart of the enemy
- it did cause at least brief collapses in moral
- it did cause at least temporary problems for war production
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Post by montgomery » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:25 pm

The U.S. took first prize for indiscriminate bombing of civilians during that war, as well as deliberate bombing of civilians, and nothing is going to change that fact. But of course other sides were guilty too.

It's a very, very wonderful thread!

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Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:07 am

There was the indiscriminate bombing of civilians from the very start and the Nazi raids on Poland. The Nazis can claim all they want that they targetted, but the accuracy was not there so that the words were backed up by the actions. The Nazis claimed they were after military targets who were in the towns, but they were in amongst the civilians.

It was the same for industrial and transport targets. People lived within walking distance of their work back then. There were no out of town industrial estates. Bomb a factory or a railway yard and all the houses around it also got hit.
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Post by VFX » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 am

The civilians were considered as collateral damage. Acceptable in all wars perhaps?

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Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:05 am

It was not that they were acceptable, they were unavoidable. Accuracy was very poor and the people lived right next to targets.

In Clydebank the shipyards were next to the River Clyde and Singers factory was in the town. People lived in tenement flats nearby and walked to work. Part of the Singers factory is in the foreground. It was one of the largest factories in the world at that time, famous for its sewing machines. During the war it primarily made aircraft parts and munitions. Some of the shipyards are to the right. The tenements are the tall terrace like buildings all around the area. Each block had 8 flats (apartments).

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The three nights of Blitz left only about 10% of the town's housing undamaged.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:21 am

In no wise should Overy's conclusions about what motivated and shaped the British bombing strategy, and how it should be judged, excuse the repeated demonstrations of callous disregard for civilian life in the raids of the Luftwaffe, including the Blitz.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:In no wise should Overy's conclusions about what motivated and shaped the British bombing strategy, and how it should be judged, excuse the repeated demonstrations of callous disregard for civilian life in the raids of the Luftwaffe, including the Blitz.
Seems our book lover approves of Dresden and Bomber Harris's role in it.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:48 am

Read the thread, I mean, at least read what people, including me, have written in the thread you feel compelled to troll. I defy you to link to one statement of mine in this thread showing approval for the bombing of Dresden or Arthur Harris.

VFX, you need to think about why almost everything you post is ass backwards or mere redundancy.

Anyway back on ignore you go. I checked and no, your behavior hasn’t improved.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:51 pm

He must have had some sort of brain injury if he seriously thinks that, its clear after about the 2nd page that isn't your position at all. :shrugs.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:In no wise should Overy's conclusions about what motivated and shaped the British bombing strategy, and how it should be judged, excuse the repeated demonstrations of callous disregard for civilian life in the raids of the Luftwaffe, including the Blitz.
Seems our book lover approves of Dresden and Bomber Harris's role in it.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:57 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:He must have had some sort of brain injury if he seriously thinks that, its clear after about the 2nd page that isn't your position at all. :shrugs.
He continues to believe that he can lie, and make himself feel good in doing so about his deranged view of the world and history, and that somehow people here won't catch on. And, of course, I doubt he made it to page 1, let alone page 2.
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Its lying and trolling and then like his friend, 'who me?'

So all that these Revs are capable of - him and his pompous friend is starting threads they run away from and bragging about knowing nothing whilst seeking to annoy people by pretending that their arguments have not been defeated or addressed?
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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...properly in the manner of Miss Manners.
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scrmbldggs wrote:...properly in the manner of Miss Manners.
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Go on with you, you're a giraffe!
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Darren Wilshak wrote:Go on with you, you're a giraffe!
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Darren Wilshak wrote:Go on with you, you're a giraffe!
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VFX wrote:
Darren Wilshak wrote:Go on with you, you're a giraffe!
Oh so I am. :D
This is me.

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Think he might get chucked off soon. what's he writing now then?
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Beats me. Who cares... :pardon:
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"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Perhaps one of the more interesting and gripping faction accounts is the dramatisation of fiction based on fact in Len Deighton's meticulously researched Bomber. Jonathon Cape 1970. This link takes you to the 1st of a BBC radio production which was broadcast in four parts on one particular day in real time over the D-Day 50th anniversary weekend in 1994. Its seen from the perspective of variously; fictious RAF aircrew and Bomber Command, equivalent Luftwaffe night fighter aircrew, an anti aircraft unit, Luftwafe radar ground crew. Interspersed with snippets of oral history from people who experienced it for themselves. German civilians and former RAF aircrew etc. A Luftwaffe medical experiments subplot is there too among others. All four of the episodes are available to listen to upon youtube.

Although not exactly tallying completely with this illustrious thread's findings and dated now, its still a worthwhile listen in the subject and an absorbing grim adaption of Deighton's classic novel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6U0e5DUdNQ

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:44 pm

In this thread we discussed the impact of rules of war as well as the efficacy of the Allies' bombing campaign. Here is a post looking at some limited aspects of both issues: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27668&p=698910#p698910
In War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945 Tomasevich concludes that the many-sided war in former Yugoslavia, led to staggering loss of life on the scale experienced only in the occupied USSR and Poland. Wartime deaths in what had been interwar Yugoslavia totaled about 1 million.

In the first place, Tomasevich finds that fighting under conditions outside international law led to an especially high number of military-related deaths. “Battle casualties,” he writes, “were increased because the insurgents were not treated according to international rules of war, but as franc-tireurs who were generally shot when caught.” In short, rules of war make, according to Tomasevich’s research, a difference in the level of violence. He details other aspects of his finding such as reprisals, hostage shooting, terrorism, and destruction of whole villages, which all sides - but especially the Italians, Germans, and Ustashas - practiced during the war. . . .

Sixth, Tomasevich singles out Allied bombing the last two years of the war as a factor in causing great loss of life. Raids on transportation networks and hubs, to thwart Axis troops movements and economic activity, caused destruction in a number of towns and cities, with concomitant civilian casualties. (In this regard, Tomasevich maintains that Partisan military operations were the most effective Allied tactic for disrupting supply lines and transport of the Axis powers in the region.) Also, Tomasevich says, Allied pilots, under orders not to return to their bases with unused bombs, often dropped remaining explosives in the Zadar area. . . .
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Re: The Bombing Campaigns of the Allies and the Germans

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:19 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:44 pm

Sixth, Tomasevich singles out Allied bombing the last two years of the war as a factor in causing great loss of life. Raids on transportation networks and hubs, to thwart Axis troops movements and economic activity, caused destruction in a number of towns and cities, with concomitant civilian casualties. (In this regard, Tomasevich maintains that Partisan military operations were the most effective Allied tactic for disrupting supply lines and transport of the Axis powers in the region.) Also, Tomasevich says, Allied pilots, under orders not to return to their bases with unused bombs, often dropped remaining explosives in the Zadar area. . . .

"most effective" in what regard? For actually destroying the assets or for destroying assets with minimum civilian casualties?

I assume the collateral civilian casualties near a military target are legal.........but the wanton random bombing of civilians "just because" is not? Real question there....I don't know. I see the pros and cons of it all. If I had been the pilot with left over bombs on my way back home what would I have done, orders or not? I can see bombing some infrastructure asset like a bridge, dike, dam etc.....but just to drop a bomb on a house rather than a vacant field? Well.........orders are orders.

Oh.......I doubt partisan activities are most effective at destroying "the most" enemy assets necessary to win a war. Thats exactly why Air Force and Bombs were created....and used.
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