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The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:07 pm

Hello,

I would like to share some information that I've uncovered concerning the Auschwitz Ash Pond:



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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:32 pm

Interesting but this is dated. When was this made?
It’s a different way of looking at it.
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:45 pm

It looks like something from the 70’s, early 80’s. He also mentioned “4 million.”
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:21 pm

The premise of the video is "really bad." Bronowski, many of his presentations are quite good, is equating Nazi Mental Illness with the scientific process. You can make that fit just as awkwardly as he does..........or not mix the two.

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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:32 am

I read a book Bronowski wrote on William Blake and recall it as being quite good. The Cromwell quotation he mentions in the video was among my father's favorites. I remember it from my childhood.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:57 pm

Fairly sure its

'The ascent of man.'

BBC TV documentary series.

Episode 11.

First broadcast in 1973
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:35 pm

same guy, yes
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm


Look for yourself... Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people... science is a tribute to what we can know
Wow, that is so powerful. It sends chills down my spine everytime I watch that clip. I get goose-bumps just thinking of him standing on top of that massive pond grave and scooping up just a tiny fraction of all those millions of pounds of cremains.

How can so much physical evidence be denied?

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:29 pm

I remember watching an episode of the programme with my Grandma. 1974 or 75. I was very much impressed.
"We are still waiting for anyone to rebut the main theme of the article that the decode in question and the numbers it quoted perfectly match those in the Korherr report.

Until such a rebuttal comes to light and goes through peer review the article stands the test of time. And after 10 years since the article was published both Peter (Witte) and I have moved on to other research projects. "

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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:44 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:45 pm
It looks like something from the 70’s, early 80’s. He also mentioned “4 million.”
Yeah, 4 million:
Look for yourself... Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people
That pond must be huge to hide so much cremains.

Does anyone know what its dimensions are?

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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:47 pm

Four million is way too high. I can see someone saying that in 1970 but not now.
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:49 pm

Bones that did not burn completely were ground to powder with pestles and then dumped, along with the ashes, in the rivers Soła and Vistula and in nearby ponds, or strewn in the fields as fertilizer, or used as landfill on uneven ground and in marshes.
http://auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwi ... s-chambers

Not all the ashes were dumped into a single pond.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:13 pm

Is anyone other than Bronowski confusing the total number of Jews murdered with the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz? Auschwitz and the pit becoming a metaphor for the entire Holocaust..........leaving out the non-Jews. Metaphors often don't work on issues of singular features/importances. Whether he's doing that or not should be clear from a larger listen than the bit I heard.
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:32 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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Four million is way too high. I can see someone saying that in 1970 but not now.
Not only is that approximately 4x the death toll but the ponds were not where all the cremains were disposed of - the Vistula and Sola rivers were also used to remove ashes from the camp. My impression is that more cremains went into the rivers.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:33 pm

{!#%@} all, did it again, Jeffk! LOL
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Four million is way too high... Not all the ashes were dumped into a single pond.
Seriously?

So how much cremains were flushed into the pond that he waded into?

And just how many pond graves are there?

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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:19 am

Thrive wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:08 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Four million is way too high... Not all the ashes were dumped into a single pond.
Seriously?

So how much cremains were flushed into the pond that he waded into?

And just how many pond graves are there?
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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:20 am

Gerdes was an annoying {!#%@} who used to babble on and on about graves and grave sizes to hide the fact that he was nothing more than a dumbass hill billy from the backwoods of Montana.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:23 am

He used to babble about cash rewards and NAFCASH even though he probably had to sell his plasma to pay his light bill.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:36 am

But seriously, what was the information uncovered here concerning the Auschwitz ash ponds?
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:36 am
But seriously, what was the information uncovered here concerning the Auschwitz ash ponds?
I seriously hope this isn't going where it seems to be going... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:44 am

I seriously think that it has been since the OP . . .
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:50 am

Seriously????
:D
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:03 am

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=11650

Seems like the hoary old mountain man got into trouble.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Thrive wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:07 pm
Hello,
I would like to share some information that I've uncovered concerning the Auschwitz Ash Pond:
Yeah, yeah, enjoy your day in the sun, Thrive. Put this on the denier golden oldies reel along with Irene Zisblatt and the few other blunders you diligent researchers have managed to scrape together after decades worth of searching.

If you have any real questions pertaining to the present, or if you want to point out flaws in the throughly cross-referenced body of holocaust historiography with actual arguments, let us know.
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:26 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:10 am


If you have any real questions pertaining to the present, or if you want to point out flaws in the throughly cross-referenced body of holocaust historiography with actual arguments, let us know.
Optimist.

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Question for Groening by a reporter:
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Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:24 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:19 am
Thrive wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:08 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Four million is way too high... Not all the ashes were dumped into a single pond.
Seriously?

So how much cremains were flushed into the pond that he waded into?

And just how many pond graves are there?
I used to know this denier named Greg Gerdes who used to send his sock puppets here to annoy people after he got banned. Inevitably they would get banned as well.
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:27 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:10 am
Thrive wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:07 pm
Hello,
I would like to share some information that I've uncovered concerning the Auschwitz Ash Pond:
Yeah, yeah, enjoy your day in the sun, Thrive. Put this on the denier golden oldies reel along with Irene Zisblatt and the few other blunders you diligent researchers have managed to scrape together after decades worth of searching.

If you have any real questions pertaining to the present, or if you want to point out flaws in the throughly cross-referenced body of holocaust historiography with actual arguments, let us know.
This is getting serious.

What do you think of this letter:

From page 41: http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/_resou ... rb1392.pdf

archived mirror: https://web.archive.org/web/20160429232 ... rb1392.pdf


Comité International De La Croix-Rouge

Genéve, November 22, 1944

Palais du Consell-Général



Dear Mr. McClelland :


In reply to your letter of November 17, in which
you asked us if a delegate of the International Committee
of the Red Cross had succeeded in visiting the camp at
Auschwitz, we are able to supply you with the following
information:

It is a fact that one of our delegates was able
to enter this camp. He approached the Commandant with a
view to arranging a scheme of possible relief consignments
for the civilian Prisoners there. According to his impression,
the camp was a type of "extensive concentration camp" where
the detainees were compelled to do various kinds of work,
including work outside the camp. Our delegate told us that
he had not been able to discover any trace of installations
for exterminating civilian prisoners. This fact corroborates
a report which we had already received from other sources,
i.e., that for several months past there had been no further
exterminations at Auschwitz. At all events, this is not a
camp containing exclusively Jews.
We are supplying you with this information
personally and confidentially, because we obviously do not
wish to publish the fact that this visit had been made.
If it became known amongst the public, it might create the
impression that the International Committee had means at
their disposal of intervening in behalf of the detainees
of this camp. Moreover, the Detaining Authorities might be
tempted to assert that this visit by a delegate of the

- 2 -

International Committee is sufficient proof that the
detainees of the camp were receiving good treatment.
The means available to us are unfortunately far from
being adequate enough to secure improvement in the
treatment of civilian prisoners at Auschwitz, or in
other concentration camps.

We feel sure that you will understand our
motives and that you will consider this information as
confidential, except in respect of the United States
Legation, to whom you may communicate the above, if
you consider it necessary.

Yours very sincerely,

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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:39 pm

There seems to be some serious doubt that;

Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people:

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Let's get serious here.

Just how much human remains were "flushed" into this pond?

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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:32 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:47 pm
Four million is way too high. I can see someone saying that in 1970 but not now.
Not only is that approximately 4x the death toll but the ponds were not where all the cremains were disposed of - the Vistula and Sola rivers were also used to remove ashes from the camp. My impression is that more cremains went into the rivers.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:27 pm

This fact corroborates
a report which we had already received from other sources,
i.e., that for several months past there had been no further
exterminations
at Auschwitz.
People really need to read the sources they provide.

:)
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:29 pm

Thrive wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:39 pm
There seems to be some serious doubt that;

Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people:

Image

Let's get serious here.

Just how much human remains were "flushed" into this pond?
Let’s party like the Communists in 1948!!!!!!
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:50 pm

Thrive wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:39 pm
There seems to be some serious doubt that;

Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people:

Image

Let's get serious here.

Just how much human remains were "flushed" into this pond?
OK, I’m trying. Let’s get serious here.

Look, here is my serious face:

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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:52 pm

I was going to use this one but frankly it’s as creepy AF:

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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:55 pm

Wait, wait, I want to change my serious face. Let’s do this one instead:

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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:56 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:50 pm
Thrive wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:39 pm
There seems to be some serious doubt that;

Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people:

Image

Let's get serious here.

Just how much human remains were "flushed" into this pond?
OK, I’m trying. Let’s get serious here.

Look, here is my serious face:

Image

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:57 pm

The somewhat ironic thing is I’m not particularly fond of cats. I’m a dog person. Like Adolf Hitler.

Aaawwww, crap....
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“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: The Auschwitz Ash Pond

Post by Thrive » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:00 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:57 pm
The somewhat ironic thing is I’m not particularly fond of cats. I’m a dog person. Like Adolf Hitler.

Aaawwww, crap....