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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:13 pm

Calvinists scare me more than the Bolsheviks do.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Goody67 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:04 am

It seems like the idiots don’t know when to give up.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:47 pm

That is one pathetically stupid thread so far. Kudos to zionist-occupation and Werd for reaching the level of buffoonery and mindlessness that been-there tries claiming for his own.
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LOL, he’s using Wikipedia to make his point. I thought Wikipedia was under Jewish occupation, did this info slip under their noses????
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Jeff_36 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:47 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:54 pm
Luburic killed him, allegedly with a knife and on Pavelic's order. (Goldstein, pp 136-138, 573)
I have heard this as well. What was with the Ustase and knives? Most accounts of Jasenovac that I have seen read like slasher-horror on account of the seemingly universal fetish that the guards there had for blades. Awful awful stuff.

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Jeff_36 wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:47 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Luburic killed him, allegedly with a knife and on Pavelic's order. (Goldstein, pp 136-138, 573)
I have heard this as well. What was with the Ustase and knives? Most accounts of Jasenovac that I have seen read like slasher-horror on account of the seemingly universal fetish that the guards there had for blades. Awful awful stuff.
There called “throat cutters”.
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:39 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:47 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Luburic killed him, allegedly with a knife and on Pavelic's order. (Goldstein, pp 136-138, 573)
I have heard this as well. What was with the Ustase and knives? Most accounts of Jasenovac that I have seen read like slasher-horror on account of the seemingly universal fetish that the guards there had for blades. Awful awful stuff.
There is an early Ustasha propaganda piece - I will look for it, IIRC Goldstein references it - that is all on about knives in the coming struggle for power.
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am

BTW, a Jew, (((Julian Edelman))), won MVP of the Super Bowl last night.

Damnit they’re everywhere!!!!!!!
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:26 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am
BTW, a Jew, (((Julian Edelman))), won MVP of the Super Bowl last night.

Damnit they’re everywhere!!!!!!!
I'm told net year we're infiltrating Canadian curling championships :mrgreen:

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LOL
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:19 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am
BTW, a Jew, (((Julian Edelman))), won MVP of the Super Bowl last night.

Damnit they’re everywhere!!!!!!!
My wife, the ardent Patriots' fan, called that. Driving home she said that Edelman had to be MVP. With his beard he looks like a survivalist from 1980s Idaho. I googled him when we got home and learned that he spoke strongly about the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:55 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:19 am
With his beard he looks like a survivalist from 1980s Idaho.
That’s funny, I thought something similar.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Post by Jeff_36 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:46 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:19 am
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:48 am
BTW, a Jew, (((Julian Edelman))), won MVP of the Super Bowl last night.

Damnit they’re everywhere!!!!!!!
My wife, the ardent Patriots' fan, called that. Driving home she said that Edelman had to be MVP. With his beard he looks like a survivalist from 1980s Idaho. I googled him when we got home and learned that he spoke strongly about the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre.
I was wondering why the "crazy mountain man" had a Jewish surname. As it turns out it was because he's.....well.......Jewish.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:17 pm

just add communism and stir: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27668&p=697993#p697993
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

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So, if I'm getting it right, this is how Stromchans belive that Soviet atrocities have accured:

Stalin: Commrade Genrikh, I have some names I need you to... take care of. *hands him a long list of names*

Yagoda: Very well Commrade Stalin, I shall... (*takes a closer look at the list*)... ummm, there might be a slight problem of this one.

Stalin: Problem?

Yagoda: Just a second (*pulls a small book with Hebrew letters out of his ass, starts reading*)

Stalin: ?????????

Yagoda: *continues reading his little book, take a quick look back at the list, then back in the book*
... umm, you know what... no. No. There's no problem this time. My mistake, silly me. I shall deal with those traitors ASAP.
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A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:09 pm

Damn, they’re everywhere!!!’
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 66086.html

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A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:08 pm

I should have posted this, from the Books thread, here:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Here are some statistics in considering the issues raised in this thread. They come from Dumitru, The State, Antisemitism, and Collaboration in the Holocaust, pp 99-101, Before looking at the numbers, it’s important to understand how Dumitru contextualizes the developments that led to this picture.

Dumitru describes three main drivers for the changing national relations under early Soviet rule, especially the status of Jews and their relations to the state and other groups in society:

1) in the 1920s and 1930s the USSR “proved full equality of rights for its Jewish citizens.
2) the Soviet authorities not only suppressed and punished antisemitic actions and speech but actively tried to “deconstruct negative stereotypes” of Jews and to build among Soviet citizens a positive view of Jews, based on their integration into society and participation in “socialist construction”
3) the Soviet state practiced “affirmative action” and opened up opportunities for Jews in areas of the economy from which they’d been excluded during tsarist times (David Shneer’s book, Through Soviet Jewish Eyes, discusses this same development with regard to news and media professionals; Dumitru looks at the broader picture and discusses, along with professional occupations, working class and peasant roles into which Jews were recruited

Dumitru says that antisemitism didn’t go away - in fact, the empowerment of Jews itself caused some resentment and conflict - but that the authorities battled it constantly and had significant success in changing relationships during the 1920s and 1930s. She also makes clear that Jews were affected by famine, the purges, various shortages, and other difficulties caused by party and state, but concludes that, when it came to interethnic relations and antisemitism, the state’s measures brought progress in integrating Jews into the mainstream of Soviet life. Thus, “it is no surprise that the Jewish population, while divided on many issues, described themselves during that period as ‘inclined to accept the existing regime’ . . .” (p 138)

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Now to add one of Dumitru's conclusions: She finds that peasants in Bessarabia haven’t depicted Jews in the province as supporters of Communism and, after the fact, didn't describe plunder of Jewish property or murder of local Jews as because of "perceived participation of Jews in the Soviet governance established after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. This, she notes, contrasts sharply with western Ukraine, where locals oftentimes justified their animosity toward Jews as rooted in terms of Żydokomuna. Rather, in Bessarabia, peasants - abetted by the long activity of the Romanian far right - viewed Jews as "the embodiment of the exploiter" and as "not us," as "outside society" and the source of local poverty and the harshness of life, objects of enmity not as Communists but as the group who impeded Bessarabians in overcoming their hardships. (pp 172-175)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:47 pm

The first two papers in Geissbühler, ed, Romania and the Holocaust, deal with the myth of Judeo-Bolshevism in wartime Romania. Mariana Hausleitner details how in 1940 Romanian authorities fictionalized that attacks on retreating Romanian soldiers in Czernowitz during June of that year were staged by Jewish gangs - and again after 1990; Hausleitner is able to show that accused Jewish "ringleaders" did not play the roles attributed to them and that the myth of Jewish Communism was used in this instance to cover up Romania's national humiliation at the hands of the Russians as Romania agreed to cede Northern Bukovina and Bessarabia to the Soviets and carried out a hasty, poorly organized, chaotic retreat.

Henry L Eaton writes about the famous Iasi pogrom, which took place a year later, shortly after Barbarossa. In this case, Romanian authorities organized murders and arrests of Iasi Jews after Soviet bombing of the city and a night of shooting across Iasi. It was assumed that Jews had signaled the Soviets and carried out the shootings, although no evidence was found to support either charge in the immediate investigations carried out by the Romanians. The Jewish Communist myth was used to justify the mass murder of Jews. Later, Eaton says, the Romanian officials under investigation for these crimes, concocted a narrative and supporting "evidence" to blame the Germans (and some Romanian Legionnaires) both for the provocative shooting in the city and for instigating the murder of the Jews - in this way, they hoped, to exonerate Romanian officials and to advance "the idea that Romania had no Holocaust."
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:47 pm

Similarly in a microhistorical study of a July 1941 murder action - led by OUN(M) activists - in Borivsti, Alti Rodal shows that, whilst OUN appeals echoed the Żydokomuna calumny “intensely propagated by German and Romanian propaganda” - the mass murders of Jews carried out by the OUN in a number of towns and villages in Northern Bukovina at this time were part of the OUN’s decision to ethnically cleanse the region of Jews and Poles and “Muscovites.” These actions took place in a power vacuum during the first weeks of Barbarossa and alongside German Jewish exterminations (EG D) and Romanian murder actions in nearby areas.

The OUN identified the Soviets as their main enemy, not the Jews. But they acted quickly both to be lodged into positions of strength before the Romanians arrived (possession being 9/10 of the law) and to curry favor with the Germans, whom they hoped would support their aspirations to a national ethnic state, by killing Jews.

Finally, Rodal shows that - and the OUN activists were aware of this fact - that “the obvious reality [was] that the vast majority of Jews were not in fact communists and had suffered alongside others during the Soviet occupation (in deportations, expropriations, and suppression of national organizations and expression) and that those were responsible for the painful experiment for mass deportations in June 1941 were also not Jews,” and that in fact most local officials during the brief Soviet period in the region were Ukrainians, whom witnesses referred to as “Soviet activists”.

Rodal, in Geissbühler, pp 66-67, 80-88
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 pm

A twist on our topic is found in a paper by Sarah Rosen in Geissbühler's collection. Rosen analyzes a diary kept by Lipman Kunstadt, a Jewish journalist from Bukovina who was deported in October 1941 to Djurin, a ghetto in Transnistria, where he became secretary to the Jewish council.

Rosen shows that Kunstadt was attentive to the dichotomies between areas ruled by the Soviets during the interwar years and areas not under Soviet rule - and to charges made by the Romanians about Jewish-Communism. Kundstadt made a sarcastic note in his diary about perceptions of local Djurin Jews who'd lived in the prewar Soviet Union: these Jews were regarded by the Romanians as lower than low, vis-a-vis Jews from south of the interwar USSR (and deemed suspicious because of their exposure to Soviet power):

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:03 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:24 am
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:Inconvenient facts had a habit of flying over Hitler`s head.
Interesting to me that Goebbels was able to recognize the gap between fact and fiction in the show trials - but persevered with the belief, despite the evidence, just the same.

Hitler's statement, made as late as 1937, shows in part that it was not just from the east that his understanding of Judeo-Communism developed. The formative experience of the immediate postwar years and the upheavals Germany experience then shouldn't be underestimated.
Naturally one would expect that seeing how few Jews there were in the KPD, and hearing about Walter Rathenau's criticisms of the Bolsheviks would have made an impression no? I am of the opinion that his views were forged earlier.
PMJ vol 1 helps me clarify the point I was making here. The volume has a number of documents from early 1933 in which Nazis employ the myth of Jewish-Communism in domestic culture (and political) wars, almost all the references showing how the concept was formed and deployed in battles against internal foes and tendencies (Marx himself, for example), with only a single reference so far to Moscow.

The argument converges a bit - and explicitly at that - with the Nazi critique of the legacy of the French revolution (Liberty, equality, fraternity) in that the Jews were depicted as being behind the ideologies and politics that had destroyed and would continue to subjugate the German Volk. Likewise, Jewish control of industry and finance in Germany is also described as an existential threat to the Volk. Internationalism figures prominently, and Marx, nicknamed Mordechai, is said to have written Capital "at the behest of the international Jewish masonic lodges."

Even before the seizure of power, for example, Wilhelm Levinger, a lawyer from Bavaria, would write an entry entitled "Antisemitism: History (Germany)" for Jüdisches Lexikon that held that Adolf Hitler, leader of the NSDAP, promised in the early 1920s that "Germany . . . could free itself from its external enemies only after destroying the Marxists and Jews, whom he viewed as the 'internal enemy.'" Later, in 1934, a Nazified professor of theology at Göttingen in 1934 characterized Marxism "as the product of a German-Jewish mixd marriage and as evidence for the impossibility of Jewish emancipation on the soil of Christian nationhood." One piece, Weimar culture in mind, focuses on German cultural issues, especially theater and music, with a catalogue of domestic horrors: "dramas with communist tendency," art "misused as a means to express Marxist theories," music turned out "under the rule of the Jews Kestenberg [as] propaganda for Marxist class struggle" with the aim of "the destruction of the German soul," and "cultural Bolshevism" "in our midst."

I think that this thread overemphasizes eastern Europe and "facts" about the USSR at the expense of getting into the Nazi mindset, its obsessions and its promises, the way Nazis explained their world, in the context in which they operated - what they took as their near- and long-term challenges, and how they fought their battles for power. The myth of Jewish-Communism wasn’t about counting members of the Soviet Politburo but an explanatory tool and propaganda material employed in the rise of the Nazis to power and the subsequent life of the Third Reich.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:18 pm

The NSDAP’s boycott call, published 30 March 1933 in the Völkischer Beobachter and written by Goebbels, is quite interesting in terms of the above issues.

First, right after the headlines state that “the Jews have declared war on 65 million Germans,” the call immediately explains that the boycott will come in the context of the success of a national revolution “that ended the Marxist-Jewish specter” in Germany.

Second, the call says that after the struggle was taken to them by the National Socialists in Germany, “the Jewish-Marxist bigwigs have given up their power. . . . [N]ot a single one of them dared to resist.” In fact, “for the most part they have . . . fled the country with their bank accounts full of money.”

The only reference to Bolshevism in the East follows, but framed by the claim about the defeats Jewish-Marxist types in Germany that “No one touched a hair on their heads”; this supposed benevolence is contrasted with the destructive civil war into which Russia was plunged by “the Bolshevik revolution.” The call doesn’t mention, or allude to, Jews in the Russian revolution.

Third, the call argues that the instigation against Germany comes from abroad. The national revolution has taken care of its internal enemies, it is said: “the domestic enemies of the nation have been rendered harmless. . . .” Nevertheless, “the communist and Marxist criminals and their Jewish intellectual instigators have moved abroad, taking their vast funds with them. From there, they are now instigating an unscrupulous and treasonous smear campaign against the German people as a whole.” Curiously, the call attributes this Jewish-communist campaign, not to Moscow, but to “the former Entente,” many of which states supported the Whites in Russia against the Bolsheviks.

Fourth, those campaigning against Germany are also described as “a clique of Jewish literati, professors, and businessmen.” Previously Nazi officials had highlighted statements by Einstein and Feuchtwanger as well as the reports from many people who’d fled Germany in the early days of Nazi-headed government.

Last, and in contradiction to all the premises already articulated, the call says that, in order to “strike the Jews themselves a thousand times harder” than they have hit Germany, the boycott will target “Jewish shops, Jewish merchandise, Jewish doctors, and Jewish lawyers” across Germany: “The boycott is a purely defensive measure, which is directed only against the Jews in Germany,” despite a campaign supposedly launched by Jewish-communist ex-pats and foreigners from abroad.

The call concludes with a reiteration of this dissonant point: “We took care of Marxist agitation in Germany. They will not force us to our knees even by continuing from abroad these criminal acts of treason against our people.”

What’s interesting in the context of our discussion is that the major announcement for the April 1933 boycott was justified to the German people in terms of the myth of Jewish-communism but with an almost total focus on the culture and political wars in Germany.

PMJ1, pp 117-121
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:38 pm

Reitlinger, Chapter 9: The Soviet Union II: The Massacres

Reitlinger touches on the OP by noting that during the USSR’s occupation of Latvia and Lithuania, the Soviets deported 70,000 people. Out of that number approximately 25,000 were middle class Jews. He also notes that Jews didn’t benefit politically due the Soviet occupation. He states that the ruling Communists in Lithuania included only two Jews out of 85 members. He touches on the fact that the Soviets suppressed the Yiddish press and education. He also notes that Jewish Bundists, Zionists, Social Democrats and Orthodox were indiscriminately deported.

Pages 212-213

I’ll see about tracking down his footnotes when I get a minute.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

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