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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:40 pm

A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

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Link gives me a malware warning ...
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:52 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:32 pm
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Which user are you on the RODOH forum? :D
He goes by Ian Hazard on RODOH, unless he changed it.

Ian doesn’t post in the main Holocaust forum. Well, he didn’t when I posted there.
You don't think Ian also posts under another name at Rodoh?
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:51 pm
Link gives me a malware warning ...
Huh, not sure why. I don’t have any problems with it.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:22 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:52 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:32 pm
Goody67 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:03 pm


Which user are you on the RODOH forum? :D
He goes by Ian Hazard on RODOH, unless he changed it.

Ian doesn’t post in the main Holocaust forum. Well, he didn’t when I posted there.
You don't think Ian also posts under another name at Rodoh?
Hhhhhmmmmm, yeah, I know we disagree on this one!

Though the evidence is tipping in your favor. Ian seems obsessed with what Charles posts. He’s either extremely impressed by Charles... :lol: ......or is a sock puppet.

I don’t think Charles would post here under any circumstances and Ian is an even bigger tool than Charles so I still waver back and forth.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:38 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:16 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:51 pm
Link gives me a malware warning ...
Huh, not sure why. I don’t have any problems with it.
Maybe I have super duper malware detection LOL
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:35 pm

Das Prussian is a treasure.....so wrong.... :rotfl:

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... start=1110
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:10 pm

So far DabbingIsSoMuchFun is so much fun, just sayin'.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:01 pm

We have two reasonably new threads devoted to us, isn’t that nice?

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3553

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3548

Apparently I hurt turnagain’s feelings when I said it was too bad he hadn’t been eaten by a bear while wandering around drunk in the wilds of Alaska.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:43 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:01 pm
We have two reasonably new threads devoted to us, isn’t that nice?

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3553
Hmmm, it veers off, like most things there, to Wiernik, Sturdy Colls, etc. Surprised we didn't get "revelations" about American foreign policy, Zion, US war crimes, and so on.
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3548

Apparently I hurt turnagain’s feelings when I said it was too bad he hadn’t been eaten by a bear while wandering around drunk in the wilds of Alaska.
Very amusing that they confuse Goody and Nathan! How utterly dumb but funny. DP: "Thanks Been There and Rollo for totally derailing this thread with overlong irrelevance and the contents of Rollos wank bank"

That thread seems to be about random things, with just one or two posts about SSF. They have trouble sticking to a topic. Not sure why they would have threads on this forum, as it is nearly moribund.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:19 pm

I know, seems like we are a failed forum.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:41 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:19 pm
I know, seems like we are a failed forum.
From a larger viewpoint it seems that interest in the topic has had a falloff overtime. For example, the HWC section at AHF from 2002-2006 was a bustling forum with new members being added all the time. To look at it now it's down to a very slow crawl.

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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:49 pm

Good point, same is true at ISF, which only rarely attains a very slow crawl.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:22 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:41 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:19 pm
I know, seems like we are a failed forum.
From a larger viewpoint it seems that interest in the topic has had a falloff overtime. For example, the HWC section at AHF from 2002-2006 was a bustling forum with new members being added all the time. To look at it now it's down to a very slow crawl.
Haven’t really had anything new to talk about. Once I start reading my new books I’ll start posting things again.

Plus really busy with work and the holidays. Things are going to slow down a bit.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:28 pm

Say what we will, there is still Airfix General: https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 10#p141180

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That is good.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:05 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:19 pm
I know, seems like we are a failed forum.
Or maybe successful . . . LOL
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Nessie » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:48 am

The only positive to RODOH was that it did tolerate opposing views. It is now like CODOH, where it has thrown in the towel and to protect its claims about the Holocaust, it has to rely on censorship.

All the forums that debate the Holocaust have failed in one way or another, including here, as the debate is far too abusive.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:35 pm
Das Prussian is a treasure.....so wrong.... :rotfl:

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... start=1110
Cheers Jeff ! Although sometimes I think I should take a slightly different approach , like that Airfix General ** chappy that Stat Mech makes reference to.

I like the way he uses childish artwork, gross stupidity and surreal nonsense to get his point over . The point being - "Why should deniers have all the fun acting like twats and pricks ? Why can't we all join in ?"

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yeah, you're damned good DasPrussian, but Airfix General is greats
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:33 pm

Nessie wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:48 am
The only positive to RODOH was that it did tolerate opposing views. It is now like CODOH, where it has thrown in the towel and to protect its claims about the Holocaust, it has to rely on censorship.

All the forums that debate the Holocaust have failed in one way or another, including here, as the debate is far too abusive.
Jane, you ignorant slut, it's not the abuse, just look at ISF, where the moderators keep a tight lid on: yet ISF has dropped off more than any other forum. The problem is that the "other side" has failed to develop a new argument, or decent response to old arguments, in years; is increasingly and openly unwilling even to go through the motions of actual debate; and often doesn't even show up (e.g., ISF, here).

Also, as to Rodoh, the appeal of pretending to debate Huntinger, Rollo, VFX, Turnagain, been-there, and the rest is zilch to many who used to be active, and wears off quickly for most newcomers. "Discussions" with them are uniformly uninteresting - as well as repetitive, narrow, and necessarily dumb.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:37 pm

Nessie wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:48 am
The only positive to RODOH was that it did tolerate opposing views. It is now like CODOH, where it has thrown in the towel and to protect its claims about the Holocaust, it has to rely on censorship.

All the forums that debate the Holocaust have failed in one way or another, including here, as the debate is far too abusive.
They might be tolerant of opposing views if the opposing view was something other than the same person squawking the same question about evidence like a benzedrine-addicted parrot.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:11 pm

DasPrussian isn't forbidden posting privileges in the main forum at Rodoh.

If, as in Nessie's "theory," the problem is "abuse," why haven't been-there, Huntinger/Trolljerkoff, VFX, Turnagain, et al made haste for ISF, where the moderation ensures that no personal attacks occur? Why didn't Mary Q return there - she left there for here? Why didn't David and Monstrous sign up and post at ISF? Why did EtienneSC and others drift away from ISF? It seems rather that where the debate isn't abusive, it also stops.
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Post by Denying-History » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:47 pm

Why’s are we even discussing Rodoh’s moderation? There are kinda more pressing issues then Nessies defenseless arguments. To keep from sounding like a critic of thin air (similar to Ian or our now lost but not missed montgomery) I’ll probably be making a post about some more recent reading I’ve been doing on Leopold’s Congo.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:47 pm

Point well taken. In this vein, I have to say that Munkásci's 1947 book on Hungary is quite interesting; in it, a senior leader of the Neolog community presents his own volte face on the Zionists, describing their policy and activity as exemplary, and chastising the Jewish Council (and himself to some extent) for failure to also build bridges with Hungarian leftists.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

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Denying-History wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:47 pm
Why’s are we even discussing Rodoh’s moderation? There are kinda more pressing issues then Nessies defenseless arguments. To keep from sounding like a critic of thin air (similar to Ian or our now lost but not missed montgomery) I’ll probably be making a post about some more recent reading I’ve been doing on Leopold’s Congo.
That’s one of the reasons I wanted this forum opened up to other topics besides the Holocaust. Seemed to me “Holocaust Denial” wasn’t a good name for it because all of the deniers left. I thought opening things up would give us a chance to look at realated subjects while also discussing ours.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:57 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:54 pm
Denying-History wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:47 pm
Why’s are we even discussing Rodoh’s moderation? There are kinda more pressing issues then Nessies defenseless arguments. To keep from sounding like a critic of thin air (similar to Ian or our now lost but not missed montgomery) I’ll probably be making a post about some more recent reading I’ve been doing on Leopold’s Congo.
That’s one of the reasons I wanted this forum opened up to other topics besides the Holocaust. Seemed to me “Holocaust Denial” wasn’t a good name for it because all of the deniers left. I thought opening things up would give us a chance to look at realated subjects while also discussing ours.
Does this mean I can quit reading Mattogno? :mrgreen:

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:08 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:57 pm
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:54 pm
Denying-History wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:47 pm
Why’s are we even discussing Rodoh’s moderation? There are kinda more pressing issues then Nessies defenseless arguments. To keep from sounding like a critic of thin air (similar to Ian or our now lost but not missed montgomery) I’ll probably be making a post about some more recent reading I’ve been doing on Leopold’s Congo.
That’s one of the reasons I wanted this forum opened up to other topics besides the Holocaust. Seemed to me “Holocaust Denial” wasn’t a good name for it because all of the deniers left. I thought opening things up would give us a chance to look at realated subjects while also discussing ours.
Does this mean I can quit reading Mattogno? :mrgreen:
Yes!!!!!!! LOL

I quit reading Mattogno a long time ago and feel much better.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

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:lol: :lol:
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:08 pm

Of course I’ll keep bringing stuff about denial but I’m not going to feel limited to it.
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Post by Nessie » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:56 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:11 pm
DasPrussian isn't forbidden posting privileges in the main forum at Rodoh.

If, as in Nessie's "theory," the problem is "abuse," why haven't been-there, Huntinger/Trolljerkoff, VFX, Turnagain, et al made haste for ISF, where the moderation ensures that no personal attacks occur? Why didn't Mary Q return there - she left there for here? Why didn't David and Monstrous sign up and post at ISF? Why did EtienneSC and others drift away from ISF? It seems rather that where the debate isn't abusive, it also stops.
The ISF Holocaust debate was one thread, which died a death when it went onto moderated status. Even though that has stopped, it has never recovered and hardly anyone posts there.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:00 pm

Nessie wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:56 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:11 pm
DasPrussian isn't forbidden posting privileges in the main forum at Rodoh.

If, as in Nessie's "theory," the problem is "abuse," why haven't been-there, Huntinger/Trolljerkoff, VFX, Turnagain, et al made haste for ISF, where the moderation ensures that no personal attacks occur? Why didn't Mary Q return there - she left there for here? Why didn't David and Monstrous sign up and post at ISF? Why did EtienneSC and others drift away from ISF? It seems rather that where the debate isn't abusive, it also stops.
The ISF Holocaust debate was one thread, which died a death when it went onto moderated status. Even though that has stopped, it has never recovered and hardly anyone posts there.
I pop in on occasion. Except when Saggy popped up it’s essentially dead or crawls along.

I never liked the format, having one long thread doesn’t allow for any real discussion (as does the psychotic moderation whenever things do pick up).
A sober appraisal would put Himmler himself in the racially average band, or to some extent even below it: his face was round rather than oval, his nose more broad than slim, his normal bearing more ‘sagging’ than erect...
Longerich: Himmler

Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
:lol: :lol:
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:16 pm

Nessie wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:56 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:11 pm
DasPrussian isn't forbidden posting privileges in the main forum at Rodoh.

If, as in Nessie's "theory," the problem is "abuse," why haven't been-there, Huntinger/Trolljerkoff, VFX, Turnagain, et al made haste for ISF, where the moderation ensures that no personal attacks occur? Why didn't Mary Q return there - she left there for here? Why didn't David and Monstrous sign up and post at ISF? Why did EtienneSC and others drift away from ISF? It seems rather that where the debate isn't abusive, it also stops.
The ISF Holocaust debate was one thread, which died a death when it went onto moderated status. Even though that has stopped, it has never recovered and hardly anyone posts there.
The thread was active despite previous periods of moderated status for years. Besides which, you're proven my point: scarcely anyone wishes to post where "abuse" is so completely controlled.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:19 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:00 pm
I never liked the format, having one long thread doesn’t allow for any real discussion (as does the psychotic moderation whenever things do pick up).
I agree with you but that's just two of us. What Nessie's theory ("the debate is far too abusive") fails to explain is that a large number of people posted at ISF (especially in JREF days) despite (or because of) the format - and no longer do so. The observation that "hardly anyone posts there" is hardly an explanation for, er, the phenomenon that hardly anyone posts there. In this, although more dramatically, ISF mirrors the trend at HD discussion boards whilst abuse there is non-existent due to the moderation approach.

I think it's deniers going AWOL at ISF that explain the doldrums, as whenever a denier pops up, the board picks up, if only a little (given, e.g., Mondial's drive by approach).
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:24 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
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The only positive to RODOH was that it did tolerate opposing views. It is now like CODOH, where it has thrown in the towel and to protect its claims about the Holocaust, it has to rely on censorship.

All the forums that debate the Holocaust have failed in one way or another, including here, as the debate is far too abusive.
They might be tolerant of opposing views if the opposing view was something other than the same person squawking the same question about evidence like a benzedrine-addicted parrot.
I think that Scott Smith lost his way with his forum around the time of the demise of Rodoh 1.0. It wants to become a venue for Nazi wannabes to posture and talk tough.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Nessie » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:58 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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DasPrussian isn't forbidden posting privileges in the main forum at Rodoh.

If, as in Nessie's "theory," the problem is "abuse," why haven't been-there, Huntinger/Trolljerkoff, VFX, Turnagain, et al made haste for ISF, where the moderation ensures that no personal attacks occur? Why didn't Mary Q return there - she left there for here? Why didn't David and Monstrous sign up and post at ISF? Why did EtienneSC and others drift away from ISF? It seems rather that where the debate isn't abusive, it also stops.
The ISF Holocaust debate was one thread, which died a death when it went onto moderated status. Even though that has stopped, it has never recovered and hardly anyone posts there.
The thread was active despite previous periods of moderated status for years. Besides which, you're proven my point: scarcely anyone wishes to post where "abuse" is so completely controlled.
That one thread was no where near as active as here, RODOH and CODOH.

Abuse is allowed at RODOH only in certain parts of the forum and abuse by deniers is tolerated more than abuse by others. Mostly it is not that abusive. It is way less abusive than here. It is also still more active than here.

What they then do at RODOH is claim I am being abusive and trolling, by passing off my requests to see their evidence and pointing out where they have lied as abuse and trolling.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Nessie » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:05 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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I never liked the format, having one long thread doesn’t allow for any real discussion (as does the psychotic moderation whenever things do pick up).
I agree with you but that's just two of us. What Nessie's theory ("the debate is far too abusive") fails to explain is that a large number of people posted at ISF (especially in JREF days) despite (or because of) the format - and no longer do so. The observation that "hardly anyone posts there" is hardly an explanation for, er, the phenomenon that hardly anyone posts there. In this, although more dramatically, ISF mirrors the trend at HD discussion boards whilst abuse there is non-existent due to the moderation approach.

I think it's deniers going AWOL at ISF that explain the doldrums, as whenever a denier pops up, the board picks up, if only a little (given, e.g., Mondial's drive by approach).
If a denier comes here, there is a rapid descent into abuse. I think that is the biggest failing here.

The other reasons why debate has failed are;
- CODOH, because of the moderation in favour of denial and even then only certain deniers
- ISF, because of the one thread for all format
- RODOH (now), because it now censors deniers being asked to evidence what did happen
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:55 pm

Nessie wrote:
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That one thread was no where near as active as here, RODOH and CODOH.
JREF was quite active in 2009-2012 and then it fell off, with no change in its format or moderation, "abuse" having nothing to do with it. The other point is that if anyone wants a "safe space" for debating HD, there it is. And yet that forum is little used, partly because of the moderation and resulting sanitized nature of the HD thread.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:36 pm

Thanks, Pyrrho.
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Re: RODOH in terminal decline?

Post by Balmoral95 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:25 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:55 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:58 am
That one thread was no where near as active as here, RODOH and CODOH.
JREF was quite active in 2009-2012 and then it fell off, with no change in its format or moderation, "abuse" having nothing to do with it. The other point is that if anyone wants a "safe space" for debating HD, there it is. And yet that forum is little used, partly because of the moderation and resulting sanitized nature of the HD thread.
I don't see "censorship" as such going on there... a certain bias, yes, but no more than this has a certain bias.

Rodoh is probably misnamed at this point as debate almost everywhere has fallen by the wayside... Been-There's "formal proposition" sub forum was some sort of attempt to resurrect more formal debate, but the concept doesn't seem to have gathered any traction/popularity.