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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:41 am

Remember this one?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html wrote:How a future Trump Cabinet member gave a serial sex abuser the deal of a lifetime
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:05 pm

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Why ask for asylum? Cause he might get the Comey treatment - being fired while away from his desk via Twitter? :-P

But he won't meet. He's afraid he'll hear that all those loans he didn't get from Russia will not be waived (as he had been promised).
He does have his dilemmas, doesn't he.

No, I don't think he'll flee. He'll go down shouting "witch hunt" and "fake news" and, maybe, "what about crooked Hillary"
But I do think he will quit the Presidency. Individual Number One is liable to become Number 587109 and get a suit to wear that matches his hair and face. Can't wait to see it.
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Post by Aztexan » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:17 pm

That coward will not go quietly. I'm not a paranoid, conspiracy theorist, BUT ( :afdb:) , I wanna know where Erik Prince and his buddies are. Also, I think there are American white supremacist/sleeper cell terrorists waiting their call to arms via tweet.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

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Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:05 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:03 pm
scrmbldggs wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:56 pm
Why ask for asylum? Cause he might get the Comey treatment - being fired while away from his desk via Twitter? :-P

But he won't meet. He's afraid he'll hear that all those loans he didn't get from Russia will not be waived (as he had been promised).
He does have his dilemmas, doesn't he.

No, I don't think he'll flee. He'll go down shouting "witch hunt" and "fake news" and, maybe, "what about crooked Hillary"
But I do think he will quit the Presidency. Individual Number One is liable to become Number 587109 and get a suit to wear that matches his hair and face. Can't wait to see it.
Is that why they keep Guantanamo up and running - but without spending the money on necessary repairs?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:23 pm

Aztexan: I can see small groups of idiots with and without guns protesting Trump being excorted out of the Whitehouse but can you estimate the odds of anything more than any other kind of protest? More or less than the anti-Fur violence that took place?

In Reality: Trump will do what every other weasel caught does: Flip. he will step down from office rather than face a criminal trial and jail time. "But you can't charge a sitting Presnedent." /// True. Do you think he'll be sitting after 2020?==>Tempus Fugit.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:30 pm

I think the rule is "Republicans won't charge a sitting (or standing) Republican president"?
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Post by Aztexan » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:08 pm

A common known fact is republicans can't sit or stand for lack of spine or the cranial capacity to do so.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:13 am

Aztexan wrote:
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A common known fact is republicans can't sit or stand for lack of spine or the cranial capacity to do so.
CRAP! I'm turning Republican as I age. I wondered what it was.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:33 am

Aztexan wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:08 pm
A common known fact is republicans can't sit or stand for lack of spine or the cranial capacity to do so.
Democrats are selfishly hoarding all the spines for themselves - they should agree to donate some for transplantation to the Republicans ... for the right price, of course.

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:03 pm

SQUOTUS? This appears to have been filmed at Oakledge Park in Burlington. I've frequently been in that tree house.

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Post by Walter » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:19 pm

“When Republicans gain power, they turn into drunken Democrats.”

I do not know who originally wrote this, but I like to think that it came from either William F. Buckley or George Carlin.

A socialist relative, not realizing it was a stinging criticism of Republicans, took offense. I had to explain, but I still do not think she got it. Funny.

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Post by Gord » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:54 pm

Oh, Trump. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tru ... 6a15b5d9b5
...In video captured during this weekend’s summit in Argentina, Trump is seen strolling up to Argentinian President Mauricio Macri, shaking his hand briefly, then wandering away.

Macri can be seen gesturing for Trump to return before an aide chased after the U.S. president to get his attention. Both presidents were scheduled to take photos together with other world leaders....
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by landrew » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:19 pm

Gord wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:54 pm
Oh, Trump. You're the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tru ... 6a15b5d9b5
...In video captured during this weekend’s summit in Argentina, Trump is seen strolling up to Argentinian President Mauricio Macri, shaking his hand briefly, then wandering away.

Macri can be seen gesturing for Trump to return before an aide chased after the U.S. president to get his attention. Both presidents were scheduled to take photos together with other world leaders....
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:29 pm

Quite seriously, though, I've just read a piece on DailyKos by a psychiatrist who speculates that Trump's cancelation of so many public events lately is a sign of serious dementia. His handlers just don't dare let him go out in public to be revealed for the doddering, slobbering idiot that he is. He's become America's answer to Brezhnev. If the guy is right (and I certainly can't refute him), I wonder how long the handlers can keep on doing this.
“It is certainly sad and regrettable that so many innocent people died…Stalin was absolutely adamant on making doubly sure: spare no one…I don’t deny that I supported that view. I was simply not able to study every individual case…It was hard to draw a precise line where to stop.”

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:54 pm

….said behavior also consistent with other world leaders canceling scheduled meetings as not wanting to associate with unindicted co conspirators.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:38 am

More speculation from Daily Kos. I can't endorse it, but it does look plausible. As the story goes, Trump and Manafort expected that the latter would mislead Mueller and Trump would then pardon Manafort. Trump waited until Manafort's people told him Mueller had swallowed the story they cooked up, then submitted a perjured affidavit to Mueller, whereupon Mueller sprang the trap and revealed that he knew all along that Manafort was lying. (This implies that Mueller also knows that Trump has committed perjury. He wasn't entrapped. Nobody encouraged him to do that. They just, as the saying goes, gave him enough rope to hang himself.) I'd love it if that were true, but I'll wait and see what develops. We should know by week after next.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:47 am

It's is likely - Manafort got to keep this Defense- cooperation agreement with Trump, which is highly unusual for someone with a plea deal.
And Trump has made defense-cooperation agreements with absolutely EVERYONE vaguely involved, including Stone and Corsi.
This was obviously a strategy, and it was obvious it would fail against an ex FBI director.

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Its been often reported that Defense cooperation agreements TERMINATE upon entering plea deals. Have I misunderstood this clear statement and common sense outcome?
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:02 pm

see rip bush thread...trump's uncle got some of Tesla's files after the inventor died...and bush aka scherff likely stole some too...the designs were used by the Reagan star wars system.....both presidents' relatives stole Tesla's files...including teen nazi spy bush.....
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:31 pm

Ha, ha...…...connecting star wars to Tesla. Very funny.
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and bush being a teen nazi spy stealing tesla's files along with trump's uncle...crazy and true....look it up.....
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:51 pm

"Crazy and True"...…..without your own link and "lotsa" proof, I'll let that stand as a literary oxymoron.
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:51 pm

The Mystery of Nikola Tesla's Missing Files - HISTORY


https://www.history.com/news/nikola-tes ... sified-fbi





May 3, 2018 - Along the same lines, Seifer and his colleagues in The Tesla Files uncovered the role played by Vannevar Bush, whom FDR appointed as ... -----.history channel----Despite John G. Trump’s dismissive assessment of Tesla’s ideas immediately after his death, the military did try and incorporate particle-beam weaponry in the decades following World War II, Seifer says. Notably, the inspiration of the “Death Ray” fueled Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative, or “Star Wars” program, in the 1980s. If the government is still using Tesla’s ideas to power its technology, Seifer explains, that could explain why some files related to the inventor still remain classified.----------------------------------Trump's uncle may have stolen some of Tesla's files too.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:55 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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Its been often reported that Defense cooperation agreements TERMINATE upon entering plea deals. Have I misunderstood this clear statement and common sense outcome?
The whole point of a Plea Deal is to allow the defendant to better his position vis-a-vis the sentencing by helping the prosecution convict associates. It is not in the interst of the pleading party to help others who might be the target of the prosecutors.
So in continuing the agreement (and Mueller not explicitly banning it, like he has done for Gates), Manafort has been playing for all-or-nothing: if he had created an embarrassment for Mueller, it might have given Trump cover to pardon him.
Now it seems that he will go to prison and expect to be pardoned on the day Trump leaves office.
And if he isn't, he will probably go back and tell anyone about what he knows in exchange for a reduced sentence.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:58 pm

You do know what "Mystery" means?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:00 pm

EM---like G, you make NO CONNECTION AT ALL between what you just posted and the posted material. THE SUBJECT at hand is: "Cooperation Agreements".....not Plea AGreements. Lots of common facts...…...a quick rethink/rewrite should be easy.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:04 pm

Manafort has a cooperation agreement with Trump, and a plea deal with Mueller.
Logically, they are mutually exclusive.
The fact that Manafort kept his is just another case of attempted obstruction of Justice.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:26 pm

Well.……...as I understand it...…..private agreements cannot violate the law. A cooperation agreement by accepted practice maintains the Attorney Client privilege including the Immunity from giving evidence on Attorney to Attorney to Client(S) communications and gathered evidence as long as all "interests" align. One party having a Plea Agreement and the other not having (the same?) plea agreement DESTROYS the alignment of interest.

Perhaps more narrowly: such cooperation agreements are not "illegal"...…..they just negate the attorney/client privilege. aka: WORSE than being illegal.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:41 pm

As mentioned, it is nonsensical: the more Manafort gives Trump, the less he has to give Mueller, the less leniency he gets.
It is not illegal, but it makes it harder to get anything out of the Plea Deal.
In the case of Gates, it would have automatically broken the Plea agreement, had he continued his Defense Cooperation.
In the case of Manafort, it was that he tried to feed Mueller false information about Trump that nullified the deal.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:47 pm

EM--I can't follow the various threads you appear to be conflating. What Manafort gives Trump would be a SECRET covered by Attorney/Client with a VALID Joint Defense agreement and would not affect what Manafort gives mueller nor the value of the Plea Agreement. Lying to Mueller IS ILLEGAL as well as a violation of the Plea Agreement. You are a few fries short of a happy meal.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:54 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:29 pm
Quite seriously, though, I've just read a piece on DailyKos by a psychiatrist who speculates that Trump's cancelation of so many public events lately is a sign of serious dementia. His handlers just don't dare let him go out in public to be revealed for the doddering, slobbering idiot that he is. He's become America's answer to Brezhnev. If the guy is right (and I certainly can't refute him), I wonder how long the handlers can keep on doing this.
It could also be the typical kind of fear induced "dementia" (enhanced with more than a sprinkling of ignorance) so often publicly displayed lately with the advent of Old Yellow Hair taking public office. Prior to that, mostly the select few who were dealing with his "deals" were privy to it.

As also the case of a lazy lying bum planting his foot firmly into his mouth way too often...
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Post by Poodle » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:34 pm

I wish I understood the US legal system. Life would be so much simpler.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:55 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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EM--I can't follow the various threads you appear to be conflating. What Manafort gives Trump would be a SECRET covered by Attorney/Client with a VALID Joint Defense agreement and would not affect what Manafort gives mueller nor the value of the Plea Agreement. Lying to Mueller IS ILLEGAL as well as a violation of the Plea Agreement. You are a few fries short of a happy meal.
I think you are mistaken.
Manafort would be forbidden to discuss his discussions with Mueller with anyone but his lawyers. And what Manafort's lawyers give Trump's lawyers isn't necessarily covered by Attorney-Client privilege.

But most importantly, you didn't get the main point: even if fully legal and protected, there should be no scenario in which Manafort would wish to share information about the investigation with the Trump team, unless he expects a quid-pro-quo in the form of a Pardon: no other criminal would make it easier for others to get out of jail free at his own expense.
And the fact that Trump seems to be willing to make the deal for Manafort leaking Mueller intel in exchange for a Pardon is an example of Obstruction of Justice, since Trump is using his pardoning powers to influence an ongoing investigation.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:25 pm

Again, you are just confusing/conflating/and not keeping the issues straight.

I think you are mistaken. /// I'm open to that. Correcting MY errors, makes me better imformed.

Manafort would be forbidden to discuss his discussions with Mueller with anyone but his lawyers. /// That would be under a Cooperation AGreement….and perhaps a Plea Deal as well but not "per se."

And what Manafort's lawyers give Trump's lawyers isn't necessarily covered by Attorney-Client privilege.///YES IT IS. tHATS the whole point/function of a COOPERATION agreement.

But most importantly, you didn't get the main point: even if fully legal and protected, there should be no scenario in which Manafort would wish to share information about the investigation with the Trump team, unless he expects a quid-pro-quo in the form of a Pardon: no other criminal would make it easier for others to get out of jail free at his own expense. /// Lots of other reasons to do so. Pardon even the least valuable as State Charges coexist.

And the fact that Trump seems to be willing to make the deal for Manafort leaking Mueller intel in exchange for a Pardon /// I have not seen this "reported" except as Talking Head Speculation. Trumps position is he doesn't need leaks because there Never has been any collusion. Trumps position is that Manafort deserves a Pardon because he is a good guy and is being treated unfairly...…..by Hillary/Deep State/Incompetent Witch Hunt...etc (I know!)

is an example of Obstruction of Justice, since Trump is using his pardoning powers to influence an ongoing investigation./// Yep. But he'll be hung by the money trail.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:45 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:41 pm
As mentioned, it is nonsensical: the more Manafort gives Trump, the less he has to give Mueller, the less leniency he gets.
It is not illegal, but it makes it harder to get anything out of the Plea Deal.
In the case of Gates, it would have automatically broken the Plea agreement, had he continued his Defense Cooperation.
In the case of Manafort, it was that he tried to feed Mueller false information about Trump that nullified the deal.
...they might not have really wanted to treat him to anyway. That guy had already proved himself unable to stick to anything...
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 pm

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Quite seriously, though, I've just read a piece on DailyKos by a psychiatrist who speculates that Trump's cancelation of so many public events lately is a sign of serious dementia. His handlers just don't dare let him go out in public to be revealed for the doddering, slobbering idiot that he is. He's become America's answer to Brezhnev. If the guy is right (and I certainly can't refute him), I wonder how long the handlers can keep on doing this.
It could also be the typical kind of fear induced "dementia" (enhanced with more than a sprinkling of ignorance) so often publicly displayed lately with the advent of Old Yellow Hair taking public office. Prior to that, mostly the select few who were dealing with his "deals" were privy to it.

As also the case of a lazy lying bum planting his foot firmly into his mouth way too often...
Whatever it is, it was on display again in Buenos Aires.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:00 pm

Russian TV/media took to mocking the skittish critter. Or are they mocking the one who cultivated it?
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(But what will Cadet Bonespurs the great fighter of STDs do to prove them wrong in calling him weak?)
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by Gord » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:40 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 pm
scrmbldggs wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:54 pm
Upton_O_Goode wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:29 pm
Quite seriously, though, I've just read a piece on DailyKos by a psychiatrist who speculates that Trump's cancelation of so many public events lately is a sign of serious dementia. His handlers just don't dare let him go out in public to be revealed for the doddering, slobbering idiot that he is. He's become America's answer to Brezhnev. If the guy is right (and I certainly can't refute him), I wonder how long the handlers can keep on doing this.
It could also be the typical kind of fear induced "dementia" (enhanced with more than a sprinkling of ignorance) so often publicly displayed lately with the advent of Old Yellow Hair taking public office. Prior to that, mostly the select few who were dealing with his "deals" were privy to it.

As also the case of a lazy lying bum planting his foot firmly into his mouth way too often...
Whatever it is, it was on display again in Buenos Aires.


Read the comments for that video. His supporters love what he did! :shock: They think he did it on purpose!
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:32 am

#MEGA!
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