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Post by Aaron Richards » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:16 pm

P.S: The air that a person breathes out still has 16% of oxygen left in it. Just throwing another wrench into the denier calculation about how quickly hundreds upon hundreds of people will use up the air inside a gas chamber....


....whose door is still open because people are still filing in. :?

And once that door is shut and we actually can start talking about a finite supply of air, who gives a $#!& how long it will take from there on till the air starts to run out and panic begins to set in? Once you are trapped, you're trapped.


(now watch VFX retreat to his next line of defense, which is the "2000 panicking people can easily break down a simple door" argument, let's see if he does us that honor)
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:35 pm

Nah, he'll ignore you , or insult your intelligence by claiming to be cleverer than you, or dodge the question. Either that or concentrate on his terrotorial ambitions at rodoh. He's the mad NSDAP over there, not saying you should debate him there.

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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:25 pm

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And once that door is shut and we actually can start talking about a finite supply of air, who gives a $#!& how long it will take from there on till the air starts to run out and panic begins to set in? Once you are trapped, you're trapped.


(now watch VFX retreat to his next line of defense, which is the "2000 panicking people can easily break down a simple door" argument, let's see if he does us that honor)
The doors were quite stout and essentially these were just a point in a concrete wall. A crowd of people piling up by a door will not exert enough pressure to break the doors down, at least not while succumbing to cyanide poisoning and lack of oxygen.
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Post by VFX » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:01 pm

Nope they would simply not go into the room after about 200 were suffering. Remember it was only Kapos putting them in there. The other 2000 people would simply have murdered the Kapos and guards and ran out of there. No dogs, SS guards, bullets would have stopped them: this is the nature of human panic.

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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:05 pm

> If this event happened you have no hard data on temperatures in an area below ground at sub zero temperatures

Of course we do.



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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by VFX » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:09 pm

You have no hard data in that particular area, geographic position, time and location. Exact data in those Leichenkellers please between 1942 and 1944. Approximations are not good enough.

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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:32 pm

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Nope they would simply not go into the room after about 200 were suffering. Remember it was only Kapos putting them in there. The other 2000 people would simply have murdered the Kapos and guards and ran out of there. No dogs, SS guards, bullets would have stopped them: this is the nature of human panic.
Yeah, naked women, children and the elderly, fighting the SS guards and dogs in the middle of a concentration camp. That definitely sounds like the recipe for a successful breakout.
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by VFX » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:38 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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Nope they would simply not go into the room after about 200 were suffering. Remember it was only Kapos putting them in there. The other 2000 people would simply have murdered the Kapos and guards and ran out of there. No dogs, SS guards, bullets would have stopped them: this is the nature of human panic.
Yeah, naked women, children and the elderly, fighting the SS guards and dogs in the middle of a concentration camp. That definitely sounds like the recipe for a successful breakout.
No JeffK not a planned breakout, one induced through terror and panic.

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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:09 pm

VFX wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:38 pm
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Nope they would simply not go into the room after about 200 were suffering. Remember it was only Kapos putting them in there. The other 2000 people would simply have murdered the Kapos and guards and ran out of there. No dogs, SS guards, bullets would have stopped them: this is the nature of human panic.
Yeah, naked women, children and the elderly, fighting the SS guards and dogs in the middle of a concentration camp. That definitely sounds like the recipe for a successful breakout.
No JeffK not a planned breakout, one induced through terror and panic.
Then it would have even less chance of succeeding. There were riots that the guards brutally put down.

So, unarmed, naked, women, children and the elderly against armed guards with dogs in the middle of a camp....it wouldn’t matter if they rioted and tried to flee. The guards could use whatever force necessary to get everyone back in line and in the chamber. Anyone who didn’t cooperate died from gunshot or beatings.

One of the things the SK’s looked out for were signs of panic among those waiting in line. Anyone identified as a potential problem were removed and shot.

I realize you like to guess a lot but your guesses usually suck so I wouldn’t bother.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:11 pm

Sounds like the same old coulda woulda shoulda from the wannabe Nazi jeff.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:13 pm

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:16 pm

You mean it reminds you of 2006? Me too!
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

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Then it would have even less chance of succeeding. There were riots that the guards brutally put down.

So, unarmed, naked, women, children and the elderly against armed guards with dogs in the middle of a camp....it wouldn’t matter if they rioted and tried to flee. The guards could use whatever force necessary to get everyone back in line and in the chamber. Anyone who didn’t cooperate died from gunshot or beatings.

One of the things the SK’s looked out for were signs of panic among those waiting in line. Anyone identified as a potential problem were removed and shot.

I realize you like to guess a lot but your guesses usually suck so I wouldn’t bother.
Not enough guards. No force on earth could stop 2000 panicking people. If you think otherwise you have lost sense of reality. This scenario would have been repeated over and over again until a standing army was at the camp which did not occur. Soldiers needed for the war effort and if soldiers knew about alleged gassing they would have probably shot the SS and freed the camp. Your rather sick story does not hold true. You know very little of the German mindset, Jude or indeed the psychology of panicking people let alone the number of guards at the camp or anything else. However, what you think is of little relevance. Few people peruse this forum, most go to RODOH

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Post by Nessie » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:24 pm

VFX wrote:
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The flaw is that the witness evidence is a collection of descriptions, often with not much detail, leaving big gaps. So, we do not know precise details. Rudolf then attempts to fill in the gaps by guessing and estimating. In his conclusion he admits he may be wrong and that his work needs more detail.

Deniers ignore that admission and act as if Rudolf has proved beyond all doubt it was not possible to have gassed people as described. But that does not mean it was not possible at all, under any circumstance to have been able to construct a gas chamber at Birkenau that worked.

The witnesses are totally flawed and corrupt and once more you bring up that motley crew again: most under Soviet Government influence
If the Kreislauf system had been installed in those alleged chambers as it had been in the real fumigation chambers there would be little debate and yes HCN would have worked killing all in a very short time. In fact the large fumigation centres for whole trains were fumigated in this manner. A whole train load of people could have been taken to one of these centres without disembarkation and gassed with high efficiency without any need for the alleged gas chambers.
The Soviets could not even get "reconstructions" of gas chambers right. They could not keep the Katyn Massacre covered up and had to eventually admit it was them. They produced death figures that over the years have been massively reduced.

So how the {!#%@} have they successfully invented a gassing narrative and hidden away millions of Jews?
As it stands the alleged method used of throwing Zyklon B down a mesh tube would not work to the degree described in the narrative: a few people would die of course but not thousands in minutes as claimed. If Zb was used this would be in conjunction with the gas circulation system already developed to high efficiency at the time.
That is the hypothesis. It is unevidenced by an experiment. Why do you accept it as fact?
The fact that it was not used puts the whole hypothesis in total doubt.
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What you are suggesting is a hypothesis is an evidenced history of what took place.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:32 pm

>> What you are suggesting is a hypothesis is an evidenced history of what took place.

This one is the King of Unsupported Could Haves, which should not be dignified as hypotheses, which are based on some evidence and meant to serve as a point of departure for research and investigation, not as negations.
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

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VFX wrote:
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Not enough guards.
There were plenty of guards. They were all well-armed and trained. They also had dogs.
No force on earth could stop 2000 panicking people.
Bullets, truncheons and dogs will. It is particularly useful against naked civilians who are untrained and utterly without any hope.
If you think otherwise you have lost sense of reality.
This coming from the person who just makes {!#%@} up when it suits him.
Soldiers needed for the war effort and if soldiers knew about alleged gassing they would have probably shot the SS and freed the camp.
See, your ignorance continues to astound and amaze. German soldiers participated in atrocities against civilians, both Jews and gentiles. I’m honestly having trouble coming up with a snarky enough comment to get my true feelings across. I’ll just let that go, I really do need to get some stuff done today.
You know very little of the German mindset,
Da fuq does that even mean? Germans have the same mindset as anyone else.
Jude or indeed the psychology of panicking people let alone the number of guards at the camp or anything else.
Actually the mindset is the same, people will deny horror until it smacks them in the face. The people standing in line didn’t know what was waiting for them, they hoped for the best. Even when the reality hit them it was too late to do anything.
There were riots but that meant nothing in the face of armed guards and dogs.

However, what you think is of little relevance.
You mean you, right?
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VFX wrote:
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You have no hard data in that particular area, geographic position, time and location. Exact data in those Leichenkellers please between 1942 and 1944. Approximations are not good enough.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:36 pm

The documented (if fuzzily) revolt in the gas chambers that I can think of offhand - namely, the shooting of Schillinger - rubbishes this nutcase's speculation.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:37 pm

You can't even ascribe an hypothesis.

Its specious lies, trolling and philosophising BS Nessie.
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VFX wrote:
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Not enough guards. No force on earth could stop 2000 panicking people...
The only time anything like 2000 people were together was when the trains unloaded. Here we see arrivals in 1944 during the Hungarian action;

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Here we see a smaller group in the trees near the kremas (I do not know the precise location);

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where the Sonderkommanod photo was taken (I do not know the precise location);

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All organised, calm, part of the deception of going for showers, which continued into the gas chambers, as evidenced by this document;

"Transfer inventory of 24th June 1943 on “14 showers” and “1 gas tight door” in crematorium 3 [Pressac, Technique , p. 430]"

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How could there be deception Nessie when rumours were rife on the transports and in all the camps. Your own favourite survivor Zisblatt knew she was going into the gas chamber but started walking backwards. Another was waiting for the gas to come out of the shower head and found only water. It is these rumours which morphed into the myth you now think is fact but which is not.

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:45 pm

Well Sergey you've met some loons in your years of debating, does he take the gold medal prize? Muller writes of the event in the undressing room SM but did he also testify about it as well before his book?

At any rate its easy to control frightened naked people with beatings, darkness, dogs, machine guns, the promise of hot soup and a bath after God knows how long stuck on a train on a deportation route. 'No force on Earth,' the Very Crazy Guy claims - throwing in a large number 2,000 to bolster further his poorly conceived ploys.
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Nobodies favourite survivor but yours you lying little troll.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:47 pm

Greif's interviews explain the role of the SK members in making the process work, and we discussed this topic at length in a thread devoted to judgments about the SK: one criticism of them was precisely their role in calming those arriving at the gas chambers and making the process work. Most of the surviving SK members report that the victims were usually not aware of their intended fate - and that they didn't tell them. SK members in the buried mss and in their interviews have their own views on how to judge their work - but this aspect of their work is not really in doubt.
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At any rate its easy to control frightened naked people with beatings, darkness, dogs, machine guns, the promise of hot soup and a bath after God knows how long stuck on a train on a deportation route. 'No force on Earth,' the Very Crazy Guy claims - throwing in a large number 2,000 to bolster further his poorly conceived ploys.
This story of yours is a work of fiction and you cannot tell the difference. You know nothing of the force of 2000 panicking frightened people. A claim I read yesterday was 2500 gassed at anyone time. Nessie has revised the official narrative to smaller groups of people to try and make his very stupid claim work. I love how you lot change the holocaust narrative like putty to help fill in the very large gaping holes in your very extraordinary stupid claims. The putty is getting thin in most areas with still huge gaps. You all look very very foolish indeed, in fact downright stupid.

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Nobodies favourite survivor but yours you lying little troll.
Maybe if you try hard enough Irene Zisblatt (Irene Zegelstein ) may give you one of her treasured diamonds to suck on.

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:56 pm

He knows full well that Zisblatt was dealt with but still this lunatic can't control himself.

Forced to use a discredited eyewitness as if that proves something and will help him win. He's losing this too just like the last one and the one before the last one.

The Schillinger incident is different of course. Most of the time the operation must have worked smoothly because of the compliance the SK were able to instill into the deportees. Does he even know of that occurence I wonder, or is he still too busy writing tired crap about Irene Zisblatt? What did he mean about Jews exactly? Perhaps the craphead is looking to get himself kicked out as well finally as well as his teenage friend, he should do.

This seems to represent his last stand, the SA bunker has been over run.

Funny troll and completely {!#%@} mad though.
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You are {!#%@} nuts mate, take it from me, I've known some freaks and you are one. Through and through you lying nazi troll. Now suck on that, you loony.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:57 pm

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Muller writes of the event in the undressing room SM but did he also testify about it as well before his book?
IIRC the following witnesses related versions or snippets of the Schillinger shooting: SK members Müller, S Dragon, Y Silberberg, S Jankowski. Others, who said that they heard about the incident, such as Polish prisoner J Wiernicki; Polish prisoner W Kielar; Ukrainian P Mirchuk; K Hart-Moxon, KT Czelny, S Nomberg- Przytyk, M Mielnicki, J Tabeau, A Beilin, and J Weiss wrote about it. Commandant Höss mentioned the incident. Also a retelling of the incident is in Polish prisoner Borowski's book, This Way to the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen. There may be others, not sure.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:59 pm

Thank you SM. Now why can't troll do something like that?

Because he's a cheap cherry picking liar, perhaps?

Zisblatt.
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Do we get assigned a favorite survivor? Apparently Nessie’s favorite is Irene Zisblatt.

Can I have Tomasz Blatt? I always liked him, he seemed like such a nice gentleman.
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Thank you SM. Now why can't troll do something like that? would it be because he's a cheap cherry picking liar, perhaps?
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VFX wrote:
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How could there be deception Nessie when rumours were rife on the transports and in all the camps. Your own favourite survivor Zisblatt knew she was going into the gas chamber but started walking backwards. Another was waiting for the gas to come out of the shower head and found only water. It is these rumours which morphed into the myth you now think is fact but which is not.
I have shown you photographic evidence of how the Nazis were able to organise and control large groups of people at Birkenau. What rumours were known at the point of arrival is not known, but they are all calm and cooperating. I believe the use of Jewish Sonderkommandos helped a lot with the deception.

Plus, Zizblatt is not my favourite witness. That is you lying.
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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Do we get assigned a favorite survivor? Apparently Nessie’s favorite is Irene Zisblatt.

Can I have Tomasz Blatt? I always liked him, he seemed like such a nice gentleman.
And I'd like to adopt the cheerful fellow who kept saying "Treblinka" when he meant "Majdanek". Can't remember his name, but will never forget that sweet face and voice. And all too human brain. :-D
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:43 pm

VFX wrote:
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Thank you SM. Now why can't troll do something like that? would it be because he's a cheap cherry picking liar, perhaps?
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:04 pm

It should be obvious to anyone that the range of eyewitnesses cited tells us that the incident took place. Been busy dismissing Zisblatt for the nth time, have you?

You could have had a swipe at Muller though VFX. If you weren't an ignorant nazi liar. Left they way open for you but instead you plumped for er...Zisblatt.

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rodoh is really helping you get your 'mind' clear about this, isn't it?
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:12 pm

Come back and be comprehensively exposed as a lame ass ignorant nazi trolling liar anytime VFX.

Its good for your circulation.
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by VFX » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:15 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:04 pm
It should be obvious to anyone that the range of eyewitnesses cited tells us that the incident took place. Been busy dismissing Zisblatt for the nth time, have you?

You could have had a swipe at Muller though VFX. If you weren't an ignorant nazi liar. Left they way open for you but instead you plumped for er...Zisblatt.

:lol:

rodoh is really helping you get your 'mind' clear about this, isn't it?
Every single witness has been exposed as being somewhat expedient with the truth. I liked Irenes story so that she could share her 5th diamond with you from her special hiding place.

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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:19 pm

{!#%@} bye {!#%@} for brains. Go and read some more Junior Encylopedia of denial you loony.
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Re: The Chemistry of Auschwitz

Post by Darren Wilshak » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:23 pm

Or maybe you can lie about the documentary evidence again? Go on give it another shot.
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