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Post by KevinLevites » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:12 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Socialised medicine is hardly experimental, although many Americans tend to believe everything is experimental until tried in the USA.

Socialised medicine is standard throughout most of the wealthy west, EXCEPT the USA. It works.
Socialized medicine has its problems too.

Evidentally, it works very well in Sweden and Norway, somewhat well in Canada, and a mess in Great Britain (from what I hear second-hand).

I don't necessarily believe in socialized medicine, but I do believe we can do much better. Infant mortality in the US is awful, considering our wealth. Also, I can't help but wonder if there would be less of a drug problem if rehab was free, and if there would be less domestic violence and child abuse if psychiatric services were more accessible.

I don't have an answer.

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Post by Lance Kennedy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:58 pm

I think, Kevin, calling it a mess in Britain is an overstatement. It is true that many users in Britain are unhappy with it, but most of the time it works very well. Nothing operates without a few complainers. I would suggest that the system in the USA is far worse, in that many people die due to inability to access good medical care. The New Scientist had an item some time back that said, if Obama care is rescinded, an extra 50,000 people each year would die. If they are right, that is definitely much, much worse than Britain's system.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:14 am

KevinLevites wrote: Evidentally, it works very well in Sweden and Norway, somewhat well in Canada, and a mess in Great Britain (from what I hear second-hand)....I don't have an answer.
why isn't do what they do in Sweden and Norway the answer? (sic....according to just the way you set the issue up???)
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.... and what is causing that? You know what works "very well" so why are you on the fence?..... literally.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:57 am

Thats wut I say! Copy wut works. And if you got the brainz for it, find wayz to improov that.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am

KevinLevites wrote: Socialized medicine has its problems too.
Yes. no system is perfect.

However although we have a private obstetrician that cost $3,800 AUD , we had a problem and BINGO the Australian public health system kicked in. The director of pre-natal at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital took personal care of us. We moved to weekly scans, we had expert after expert look after us. When the problem faded away I didn't have to pay a cent. I already paid through my tax return at 1.5% of my individual taxable gross, called the medicare levy.

It's pretty good down here in socialist Australia.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:00 am

One single wrong ingredient... Do you want lead with that?
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Post by JO 753 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:25 am

I red 'polise confiscate reinking gun' in an email hedline and wuz wundering wut a re-inking gun iz for.
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Post by TJrandom » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:18 am

JO 753 wrote:I red 'polise confiscate reinking gun' in an email hedline and wuz wundering wut a re-inking gun iz for.
Dat be for making major headlines after running out of ink.

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Post by JO 753 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:40 pm

That makes sens! The Florida teenz saw their newz coveraj fading, so sent this guy on a mission.
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Post by Gord » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:11 am

Have you seen the video of the officer arresting the suspect in the Toronto van attack? It can be found along with the article here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ot ... -1.4633468

The suspect pretended to have a gun and was pointing "it" at the officer. He wanted to be shot. Instead, the officer realized it wasn't a gun, holstered his own weapon, and pulled out his billy club instead. The suspect did NOT want to be hit with a stick, though, so he surrendered.
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Post by TJrandom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:27 am

He`d rather die than go clubbing...

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Post by Cadmusteeth » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:10 pm

Aztexan wrote:I can't say to know what it's like to be in school while gunshots ring out but I know it must be terrifying. As the son of a cop, I also know that the type of person who signs up to wear the shield is the kind that is supposed to run towards the danger.
So much for the good guy with a gun.

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Post by Aztexan » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:57 pm

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:35 pm

" I also know that the type of person who signs up to wear the shield is the kind that is supposed to run towards the danger. " //// There are always a variety of reasons to do *anything*. Running towards danger may be a once in a lifetime event for .01% of cops....but who is attracted to grammar school policing? Not your modern Marvel Comicbook action figure.

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Post by JO 753 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:41 am

Lost cop killz man in hiz own home
Washinton Post wrote:After her shift ended Thursday night, the officer mistakenly entered the wrong apartment, Dallas Police Chief Renee Hall told reporters on Friday afternoon. The man who lived there — identified as 26-year-old Botham Shem Jean — was home when the officer entered; while it's unclear exactly what happened between Jean and the officer, Hall said, but the officer fired her weapon.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:" I also know that the type of person who signs up to wear the shield is the kind that is supposed to run towards the danger. " //// There are always a variety of reasons to do *anything*. Running towards danger may be a once in a lifetime event for .01% of cops....but who is attracted to grammar school policing? Not your modern Marvel Comicbook action figure.

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Pulled that stat out of your ass, I see.
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Post by fromthehills » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:24 pm

I changed my mind on guns.

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Post by landrew » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:00 pm

I was watching an old re-run of Dragnet, or some cop show, and the cops were questioning a suspect, when he ran off. They shot at him as he ran.
I guess that's what they used to call the crime of "running from police. I suppose that was proof enough that someone was guilty enough to be executed.
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fromthehills wrote:I changed my mind on guns.
Did you agree with Trump, that teachers should be armed to fend off school shooters?
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landrew wrote:I was watching an old re-run of Dragnet, or some cop show, and the cops were questioning a suspect, when he ran off. They shot at him as he ran.
I guess that's what they used to call the crime of "running from police. I suppose that was proof enough that someone was guilty enough to be executed.
It was proof that they do it on the TV.
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landrew wrote:I was watching an old re-run of Dragnet, or some cop show, and the cops were questioning a suspect, when he ran off. They shot at him as he ran.
I guess that's what they used to call the crime of "running from police. I suppose that was proof enough that someone was guilty enough to be executed.
It was proof that they do it on the TV.
OK, here's another one. Two cops manning a roadblock and a drunk drives up, barely able to slur out anything intelligible. They sent him home driving his own car.
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landrew wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
landrew wrote:I was watching an old re-run of Dragnet, or some cop show, and the cops were questioning a suspect, when he ran off. They shot at him as he ran.
I guess that's what they used to call the crime of "running from police. I suppose that was proof enough that someone was guilty enough to be executed.
It was proof that they do it on the TV.
OK, here's another one. Two cops manning a roadblock and a drunk drives up, barely able to slur out anything intelligible. They sent him home driving his own car.
On TV?
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
landrew wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
landrew wrote:I was watching an old re-run of Dragnet, or some cop show, and the cops were questioning a suspect, when he ran off. They shot at him as he ran.
I guess that's what they used to call the crime of "running from police. I suppose that was proof enough that someone was guilty enough to be executed.
It was proof that they do it on the TV.
OK, here's another one. Two cops manning a roadblock and a drunk drives up, barely able to slur out anything intelligible. They sent him home driving his own car.
On TV?
From what I've read, the government had a lot of control over the scripts of police dramas, like the original "Untouchables" and "Dragnet." I believe J. Edgar Hoover initiated it. Even today, a cop show is not going to be showing things law enforcement people do in a bad light. Call it a conspiracy if you like, but you could also call it cooperation between government and media.

The point being... Public standards have changed. Human rights have taken a more prominent role over what they were decades ago. We didn't hear as much about wrongful deaths at the hands of police, simply because the goalposts have moved.
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"From what I've read, " Marvel or DC?
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JO 753 wrote:Lost cop killz man in hiz own home
Washinton Post wrote:After her shift ended Thursday night, the officer mistakenly entered the wrong apartment, Dallas Police Chief Renee Hall told reporters on Friday afternoon. The man who lived there — identified as 26-year-old Botham Shem Jean — was home when the officer entered; while it's unclear exactly what happened between Jean and the officer, Hall said, but the officer fired her weapon.
No doubt an example of stand your in his ground. Or maybe put him in the ground.

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fromthehills wrote:I changed my mind on guns.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:42 am

landrew wrote: Even today, a cop show is not going to be showing things law enforcement people do in a bad light. Call it a conspiracy if you like, but you could also call it cooperation between government and media.
Lots of Movies do, TV = "Shades of Blue", TV = That bald headed cop who plays The Hulk. Even the more routine shows will have episodes of the Good Cops catching...…….bad cops.
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Post by JO 753 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:10 am

landrew wrote:From what I've read, the government had a lot of control over the scripts of police dramas, like the original "Untouchables" and "Dragnet." I believe J. Edgar Hoover initiated it.
I red a Wiki articl about this, but cant find it now. Sumthing about a catholic preist and sum prudez making up the rulez. You cant show the bad guyz winning, az well az the expected limitationz on swearing, sex, nudity, violens.

From the Wiki articl I did find:
In 1933 and 1934 the Catholic Legion of Decency, along with a number of Protestant and women's groups, launched plans to boycott films that they deemed immoral.[10] In order to avert boycotts which might further harm the profitability of the film industry, the MPPDA created a new department, the Production Code Administration (PCA), with Joseph Breen as its head.
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You're looking for the Hays Committee.
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Gord wrote:
fromthehills wrote:I changed my mind on guns.
from!!!! You're alive!!!!

:joy:

I happen to be. It is good to see you, Gord.

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Post by fromthehills » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:46 pm

Thanks JO.

I don’t know if it could ever happen, but I think the US should adopt the Australian or Canadian model. The evidence is too overwhelming for me to argue a pro gun stance anymore.

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Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:31 pm

Well done, Hills.

One of the identifying marks of a truly rational person is the ability to change their mind when the data pushes that way. Idiots remain of the same view, but smart guys accept new data. Good to see that you are one of the smart ones.

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Aw - you could see that by the way he cocks his head...

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Rational people don't choose improbable events as the solution to real problems.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Rational people don't choose improbable events as the solution to real problems.
More on that. Give me a bit, I’ve just gotten back.. and as I’ve said, I’m not sure how it could be done, but I do think it must be done as a civilized people. Arguing with Lance and JO did help me to see it, but it took a while. But the problem is exactly what you’re saying, and I believe I’ve argued that before, but hopefully not in such a rudimentary way. There isn’t any logic to the notion in leaving one person to die just because you can’t save all 100. Yes, the genie is out, and there are far too many guns in the US to just say,” no more guns”. But steps towards the policy of no guns on our streets is completely rational. And I have plenty of ideas of how to get there, no promises, but I’m not a moron that decides who is a rational person in one exchange.

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Post by fromthehills » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:59 am

TJrandom wrote:Aw - you could see that by the way he cocks his head...

Or heads his cock, but we’ll save that for another thread

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:21 am

Thanks Hills. Regardless of construct, the issue of rationality goes to the proposed action, not the proposer. Unlike Canada and Australia with their outright general prohibition and buy back programs, US adds the complexity/so far near bar of the Second Amendment. A "right to bear arms not present anywhere else in the world.

Absent judicial activism overturning precedent up to this very date, or a constitutional amendment, "outlawing" guns as all rational people would do will prove very difficult. Easiest legal way first found on this forum is doable: require insurance on the ownership/use of guns. What makes this work is there "should be" no constitutional bar against this AND it can be done State by State. But even liberdrool Dumbos are afraid of being primaried by NRA supported lobbying funds. USA gonna need to bleed even more before pain and suffering brings our Legislators to common sense. Too many of our anti-populist sentiments are countered this way. Guns, Healthcare, Drug Laws, Foreign Wars, Deficit Spending, Tax Cuts, Lack of regulation/enforcement...….the list only grows...…………...
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:24 am

……...another easy to pass constitutionally speaking anti-gun law would be a strong/onerous "Use a gun, go to jail" law. Using guns is an enhancement to other crimes so far but the base crimes are punishable already. Draconian would be a speeding ticket or red light with a gun requiring jail time: ie: outright discouragement of having a gun on you at any time. Guns would be "legal" but not advised.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Thanks Hills. Regardless of construct, the issue of rationality goes to the proposed action, not the proposer. Unlike Canada and Australia with their outright general prohibition and buy back programs, US adds the complexity/so far near bar of the Second Amendment. A "right to bear arms not present anywhere else in the world.

Absent judicial activism overturning precedent up to this very date, or a constitutional amendment, "outlawing" guns as all rational people would do will prove very difficult. Easiest legal way first found on this forum is doable: require insurance on the ownership/use of guns. What makes this work is there "should be" no constitutional bar against this AND it can be done State by State. But even liberdrool Dumbos are afraid of being primaried by NRA supported lobbying funds. USA gonna need to bleed even more before pain and suffering brings our Legislators to common sense. Too many of our anti-populist sentiments are countered this way. Guns, Healthcare, Drug Laws, Foreign Wars, Deficit Spending, Tax Cuts, Lack of regulation/enforcement...….the list only grows...…………...
I do believe that support for the NRA will fall, except for the Oligarch money. I can proudly say, that in all my pro gun years, 40 of them, roughly, never supported the NRA. Neither here nor there. What Libs need to know is that the NRA isn’t all that tough, and more importantly, in my opinion, and mine alone, I believe they’re bordering on being a terrorist organization.

I’m not saying that the US has an avenue to adopt a more sensible gun policy, which is to scrap the 2nd, if we’re honest,and at least write it properly for a modern era, but that still goes back to my analogy of not saving one person if you can’t save all 100.

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Re: Examplz uv Unfortunate Events Involving Gunz

Post by TJrandom » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:28 am

The constitution does not need an amendment - rather just to be interpreted by the Supremes in a rational way - placing the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness on an equal footing - and maybe to restrict the right to own guns to a well-regulated militia.