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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:46 pm

You know, even a broken clock..., and I hope that Pat Buchanan gets his wish here:

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"Where's Biafra?... Prime Minster Pierre Elliot Trudeau
Could Canada be seen to be supporting a secessionist state while denying independence to Quebec? The Lester B. Pearson government had approved the use of two transports to deliver food and medicine to Biafra, but these plans were now scrapped.
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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Is it possible that the bombing of Syria, if it occurs, is not just the typical product of the US Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex in conjuction with an Israeli tail wagging the US State Dept dog?

Could Obama actually have an exit strategy that we are somehow missing that might be part of an effort to continue the Arab Spring revolts into the repressive royal theocracies of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc, or is this just wishful thinking?

Worst-case scenario might be that bombing Syria will just be a prelude to McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran."
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:35 am

Despite Netanyahu's protestations to the contrary, AIPAC is allegedly set to begin lobbying for an attack on Syria.
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Post by kennyc » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:32 am

The real question is, will this thread ever end?

Let it go dude!
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Post by nmblum88 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:27 pm

kennyc wrote:The real question is, will this thread ever end?

Let it go dude!
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Better question, I think, is: will Kenny's petty, tyrannical delusion that he runs this Forum EVER END?
Kenny, I realize it is early in the morning and your memory of your devotion to liberal democratic principle might be a little shaky, what with your lack of sleep,
But surely you can pull yourself together long enough to remember that you are NOT the arbiter of what is and what is not discussed here, and for how long the discussions persist.

And that hard as it is to believe, , what interests others is not always what interests YOU.
And most certainly vice-versa.

The bad music that is the persistent blowing of your own horn, for instance.
When does THAT ever end?

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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Tom-Palven wrote:Is it possible that the bombing of Syria, if it occurs, is not just the typical product of the US Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex in conjuction with an Israeli tail wagging the US State Dept dog?

Could Obama actually have an exit strategy that we are somehow missing that might be part of an effort to continue the Arab Spring revolts into the repressive royal theocracies of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc, or is this just wishful thinking?

Worst-case scenario might be that bombing Syria will just be a prelude to McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran."

I have mixed feelings. Bashar Al Asad is a real prick that deserves an ass kicking.

But I was also thinking about something Norma said the other day. Should we be, or are we ( as the US) the leaders of the free world? Or more importantly, because that seems to be such an odd concept, should we be the world police? The South Park guy's Team America comes to mind. It just seems audacious to think we can police the world. And if that is for some reason our role, why don't we apply the authority equally? Most of the world is {!#%@} up in their treatment of people. Why is killing a thousand people with a chemical weapon worse than killing tens of thousands with AKs and machetes?

If they want to just go in and bomb the {!#%@} out of whomever they think deserves it more to give a big {!#%@} you to everyone, or to stand up against a threat towards Israel, whatever, then they should be honest about it. Then we can disagree for the proper reason. To act like it's a humanitarian thing is a {!#%@} egregious insult to everyone that is being oppressed, assaulted, raped, driven out of their homes with nothing, killed for being the wrong race or religion, et cetera. It's disingenuous, and hypocritical.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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fromthehills wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:Is it possible that the bombing of Syria, if it occurs, is not just the typical product of the US Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex in conjuction with an Israeli tail wagging the US State Dept dog?

Could Obama actually have an exit strategy that we are somehow missing that might be part of an effort to continue the Arab Spring revolts into the repressive royal theocracies of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc, or is this just wishful thinking?

Worst-case scenario might be that bombing Syria will just be a prelude to McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran."

I have mixed feelings. Bashar Al Asad is a real prick that deserves an ass kicking.

But I was also thinking about something Norma said the other day. Should we be, or are we ( as the US) the leaders of the free world? Or more importantly, because that seems to be such an odd concept, should we be the world police? The South Park guy's Team America comes to mind. It just seems audacious to think we can police the world. And if that is for some reason our role, why don't we apply the authority equally? Most of the world is {!#%@} up in their treatment of people. Why is killing a thousand people with a chemical weapon worse than killing tens of thousands with AKs and machetes?

If they want to just go in and bomb the {!#%@} out of whomever they think deserves it more to give a big {!#%@} you to everyone, or to stand up against a threat towards Israel, whatever, then they should be honest about it. Then we can disagree for the proper reason. To act like it's a humanitarian thing is a {!#%@} egregious insult to everyone that is being oppressed, assaulted, raped, driven out of their homes with nothing, killed for being the wrong race or religion, et cetera. It's disingenuous, and hypocritical.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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fromthehills wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:Is it possible that the bombing of Syria, if it occurs, is not just the typical product of the US Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex in conjuction with an Israeli tail wagging the US State Dept dog?

Could Obama actually have an exit strategy that we are somehow missing that might be part of an effort to continue the Arab Spring revolts into the repressive royal theocracies of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc, or is this just wishful thinking?

Worst-case scenario might be that bombing Syria will just be a prelude to McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran."

I have mixed feelings. Bashar Al Asad is a real prick that deserves an ass kicking.

But I was also thinking about something Norma said the other day. Should we be, or are we ( as the US) the leaders of the free world? Or more importantly, because that seems to be such an odd concept, should we be the world police? The South Park guy's Team America comes to mind. It just seems audacious to think we can police the world. And if that is for some reason our role, why don't we apply the authority equally? Most of the world is {!#%@} up in their treatment of people. Why is killing a thousand people with a chemical weapon worse than killing tens of thousands with AKs and machetes?

If they want to just go in and bomb the {!#%@} out of whomever they think deserves it more to give a big {!#%@} you to everyone, or to stand up against a threat towards Israel, whatever, then they should be honest about it. Then we can disagree for the proper reason. To act like it's a humanitarian thing is a {!#%@} egregious insult to everyone that is being oppressed, assaulted, raped, driven out of their homes with nothing, killed for being the wrong race or religion, et cetera. It's disingenuous, and hypocritical.

Exactly. We need to take care of ourselves and not the world. We've got enough {!#%@} right here we should be taking care of rather than tromping all over the globe.
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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fromthehills wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:Is it possible that the bombing of Syria, if it occurs, is not just the typical product of the US Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex in conjuction with an Israeli tail wagging the US State Dept dog?

Could Obama actually have an exit strategy that we are somehow missing that might be part of an effort to continue the Arab Spring revolts into the repressive royal theocracies of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc, or is this just wishful thinking?

Worst-case scenario might be that bombing Syria will just be a prelude to McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb Iran."

I have mixed feelings. Bashar Al Asad is a real prick that deserves an ass kicking.

But I was also thinking about something Norma said the other day. Should we be, or are we ( as the US) the leaders of the free world? Or more importantly, because that seems to be such an odd concept, should we be the world police? The South Park guy's Team America comes to mind. It just seems audacious to think we can police the world. And if that is for some reason our role, why don't we apply the authority equally? Most of the world is {!#%@} up in their treatment of people. Why is killing a thousand people with a chemical weapon worse than killing tens of thousands with AKs and machetes?

If they want to just go in and bomb the {!#%@} out of whomever they think deserves it more to give a big {!#%@} you to everyone, or to stand up against a threat towards Israel, whatever, then they should be honest about it. Then we can disagree for the proper reason. To act like it's a humanitarian thing is a {!#%@} egregious insult to everyone that is being oppressed, assaulted, raped, driven out of their homes with nothing, killed for being the wrong race or religion, et cetera. It's disingenuous, and hypocritical.
Disingenuous, hypocritical... and Senator McCain was playing computer poker at his seat in the Senate, even as the possibilities were being discussed.
Which does make one wonder what it means to be complicit, as we certainly are, with such decision makers.

But what is more shocking to me, is that so few people, among the powerful and otherwise, seem to be concerned that bombing is, even with today's sophisticated weaponry, so non-selective.
We are NOT going to kill Assad.
Nor are we going to kill anyone in his regime who is responsible for their own dogmatic and cruel decision making, especially in the control of dissidents.
If and when this is played out according to Obama's design, and just as is the case in Iraq, we are going to be responsible for more deaths of innocent civilians.
In fact our part in the disaster is already done: people are fleeing Syria in terror of carpet bombing, leaving the lives they knew for the horror and rootlessness of refugee camps, from which there are rarely resumptions to "normal " lives. .
So that while we may be damned for what we don't do, we most certainly will be damned for what we do.
And there's another aspect to our faulty decision making processes: that so few Americans have traveled in the Middle East.
We somehow think that we are dealing with the easily expendable, those living lives barely removed from bestiality..... who live in tents, in wide spread desert compounds herding camels.
I remember reading, a decade ago, the blog of a American soldier, writing from Baghdad, expressing surprise at the beauty of the city, and the grandeur of its ancient buildings, in contrast with its equally unexpected modern business center and residential areas.
"Why," he asked, "was it implied to m e that I was going to be improving the lives of savages?"
So with Damascus. with Aleppo, and wherever else our bombs will land.
Not only venerable, and of startling beauty, but home to museums, universities, theaters, libraries as well as, even by our exalted Western standards, a lively educated (many Syrians, thanks to Western imperialism , are French speaking, eat Western food, read our books, see our films) population with hopes and creams for the future not at all different from our own: to live out their lives watching their children grow up to have better, healthier, safer lives than have been their own.
"Kill for life, make war for peace."
Hard to believe that we are expected to live by untruths, long ago proven useless and demeaning.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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News relating to the Bibi Netanyahu-Hassan Rouhani conflict:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/11/dani ... -whoppers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:48 am

Not Such a Great Deal for Iran by Eric Margolis

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/11/eric ... -good-war/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:05 pm

Netanyahu sticks to the Likud Party platform:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... ostpopular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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Tom-Palven wrote:Netanyahu sticks to the Likud Party platform:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... ostpopular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't see any solution coming in the near future after reading that article.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:Netanyahu sticks to the Likud Party platform:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... ostpopular" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't see any solution coming in the near future after reading that article.
I'm usually more a Chicken Little than a Pollyanna, but I see some hope.

There is no love lost between Netanyahu and Obama. Netanyahu actively endorsed Romney in the last election, and has criticized Obama in visits to the US Congress and elsewhere.

After the November mid-term Congressional elections Obama will be a true lame duck. He would no longer have to worry about AIPAC lobby retribution against the Democrats, and could simply direct UN Rep Samantha Power and John Kerry to announce that the US, like almost the entire world, now recognizes Palestine as a nation within its 1967 borders.

Then, with Gaza and the West Bank no longer within
Israel, as occupied territory, it might be easier for Israel to defend its borders. The Arab League has said it would help guarantee those borders, and the US and NATO would certainly help also.

This would destroy the Likud vision in their party platform of a Greater Israel up to the Jordan River, but it would amount to a compromise with those Palestinians who have argued for a "right of return" back to the land they originally owned before the creation of modern Israel; and it would also be pay-back to Netanyahu.

We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:02 am

Tom-Palven wrote: I'm usually more a Chicken Little than a Pollyanna, but I see some hope.
Another aspect that gives hope is the end of "proxy warfare". Twenty years ago, Israel could undertake activities using the SLA or Phalanges (Sth Lebanese Christian Militia) and escape direct responsibility. This was the nature of the world at that time. Every major nation was using proxy armies. The SLA no longer exists.

Nowadays, Israeli citizens & soldiers are directly interacting with the occupied Palestinian homelands. This means Israel has more exposure to both legal and media management problems in its external interference activities. This contributes to "calming things down".

So who are the paid stooges here?

"Up to 400 students sit at banks of computers getting Israel’s message out online. “The goal is to deliver a very clear message to people abroad – Israel has the right to defend itself,” Lidor Bar David told Israeli news website, Ynet. “Although they haven’t been called up to the army yet, they’ve decided to enlist in a civilian mission that is no less important,” reported Ynet. The students – speaking in 30 languages – target online forums while aiming to appear as ordinary social media users'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 05952.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote: I'm usually more a Chicken Little than a Pollyanna, but I see some hope.
Another aspect that gives hope is the end of "proxy warfare". Twenty years ago, Israel could undertake activities using the SLA or Phalanges (Sth Lebanese Christian Militia) and escape direct responsibility. This was the nature of the world at that time. Every major nation was using proxy armies. The SLA no longer exists.

Nowadays, Israeli citizens & soldiers are directly interacting with the occupied Palestinian homelands. This means Israel has more exposure to both legal and media management problems in its external interference activities. This contributes to "calming things down".

So who are the paid stooges here?

"Up to 400 students sit at banks of computers getting Israel’s message out online. “The goal is to deliver a very clear message to people abroad – Israel has the right to defend itself,” Lidor Bar David told Israeli news website, Ynet. “Although they haven’t been called up to the army yet, they’ve decided to enlist in a civilian mission that is no less important,” reported Ynet. The students – speaking in 30 languages – target online forums while aiming to appear as ordinary social media users'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 05952.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I think I've run across some of those paid Israeli shills at a couple of websites, and a few others that spout the State Dept mantra seem to come up with a lot of info real fast to be mere merely interested Concerned Citizens, but I have no idea how one could prove it, or even why one would want to bother.

It's interesting to see evidence that it exists, though.
Thanks.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:21 am

So who are the paid stooges here?
"Up to 400 students sit at banks of computers getting Israel’s message out online. “The goal is to deliver a very clear message to people abroad – Israel has the right to defend itself,” The students – speaking in 30 languages – target online forums while aiming to appear as ordinary social media users'.
Tom-Palven wrote: I think I've run across some of those paid Israeli shills at a couple of websites, and a few others that spout the State Dept mantra seem to come up with a lot of info real fast to be mere merely interested Concerned Citizens, but I have no idea how one could prove it, or even why one would want to bother.

It's interesting to see evidence that it exists, though.Thanks.
I think it is one of the dumbest ideas anyone has ever come up with. Imagine I made you "king" of Israeli propaganda. You would have to write a "script" of buzz phrases, arguments and paragraphs for your 400 military conscription age university students to use in their debates on on-line forums.

Well firstly, every country that has a decent signals intelligence service, would start seeing the same phrases, arguments and paragraphs statistically and then follow them back to the same university in Israel. Posters with many different forum names would be identified. After a while you would be able to start "time lining" each university poster. For the next forty year these individuals would be "persons of interest" for foreign services, leaving a trail, a mile wide behind them, of internet providers, slack university security and their exposed Israeli government handlers. It would be a "weak spot" for Israel.

Secondly, as these boys works to scripts, they cannot "flow with the conversation" nor concede if the other poster makes a good point that is slightly unrelated to the point of the script issued to the Israeli student. This means the "pro-Israel" poster is going to look stupid or have to vary from their "script". Considering there are 400 of them, it would be naive to believe that at least one of them isn't going to say something really stupid like "Kill all Palestinians" which another country, with signals intelligence, can directly "blowback" onto a government run Israeli propaganda service. It is too risky.

I think one of the important elements of a good media propaganda activity is to keep it a "one way street" such as books, posters, radio, television and friendly newspapers. The aim is to "tell them a message" and not to get into a conversation where the targets start expressing their own opinions.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:03 pm

That Israeli propaganda machine you cited doesn't seem to be doing too well as world opinion of the Israeli position seems to be losing favor, as it has with me.

In The States, the great support for the Israeli incursion may be due more to the Associated Press mantra of Israel as victim than to Israeli propaganda.

Apparently Fatah and the Palestinian authority became corrupt Israeli lap dogs after receiving hundreds of millions of dollars a year in US foreign aid, losing favor with the average Palestinian.

This is what I've been circulating at a few political forums to try to counter the Israeli and Associated Press mantra that the Israeli government is and has always been as pure as the wind-driven snow, and "how would you like it if someone was shooting missiles at you":

Here is the story from the Washington Post, Jan 27, 2006, one day after the Palestinian election which was highly praised as being the result of the efforts of George Bush and Condoleezza Rice. The title of the story is Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Election

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012600372.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Immediately after Dubya and Condy's Excellent Adventure in Democracy they denounced Hamas as being illegitimate because they are a terrorist group; and in the West Bank Israeli troops helped the old Fatah Party prevent elected Hamas delegates from taking their seats in parliament, which actually amounted to a coup by Fatah.

In Gaza, the victory for Hamas was so resounding that the Hamas winners were able to force their way into parliament, which was then called a "coup" by the US and Israel, standing the truth on its head. Many of elected Hamas legislators were imprisoned by Israel and are still in prison, and parliament was suspended in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_me ... ve_Council" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This BS about a Hamas coup has been parroted by the State Department mouthpiece, the Associated Press, ever since.








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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:07 am

Tom-Palven wrote:Apparently Fatah and the Palestinian authority became corrupt Israeli lap dogs after receiving hundreds of millions of dollars a year in US foreign aid, losing favor with the average Palestinian.


I wouldn't go as far as saying Fatah and the P.A. are "Israeli lap dogs" for accepting US aid. The US is a sensible country, most of the time, and is supporting a real political leadership that has a difficult job balancing tangible solutions with unpopularity. This is better than a return to chasing Yasser Arafat's PLO spokesperson around the middle east to get Arafat's opinion in the 70s & 80s.

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I don't think it makes any difference saying anything about Israel on political forums at all. It's not going to change US voters in any significant way and therefore wont change the domestic political bias of US politicians. What will "calm Israel down" will be economics and legal actions. Israel produces 10% of the world's arms sales and demand is drastically slowing down. Either Israel sells arm to more dubious nations, converts to labour expensive farming surrounded by cheap Arab labour nations, or it has an approaching economic problem.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:33 am

I didn't know that the outlook for the Israeli economy isn't real rosy, but the Israeli government might not be able to lean on the US for cash a lot longer if this article below is correct.

The notion that the US economy is basically a Ponzi scheme looks logical enough to me, but I don't know enough about economics to tell if the doom and gloom is blown out of proportion or not.
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjuly14/po ... y7-14.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:06 am

Tom-Palven wrote:I didn't know that the outlook for the Israeli economy isn't real rosy, but the Israeli government might not be able to lean on the US for cash a lot longer if this article below is correct.


Well, a class structure evolved in Israel with the Russian Jews and indigenous Jews living on the poverty line. They can't win any vote for social reform because wealthy Israeli citizens, who don't actually live in Israel, vote in political parties for international reasons, not domestic needs. That's 550,000 voters who have never lived in Israel and another 500,000 who have residence overseas. That's about 14% of the entire poll. I don't think this is fair for the people who actually live in Israel.

Secondly, Israel does have a bit of a naughty background in money laundering, as it denies extradition. The amounts being laundered were enormous during the break up of the Soviet Union as state assets were being privatised for less than their real value. However, international money laundering is winding down for a whole lot of reasons. I imagine, this aspect of the Israeli "black" economy is taking some severe beatings at the moment. The Israeli tax office is introducing measures to "claw back" untaxed profits on laundering services provided by Israeli banks.


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/21/world ... ering.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/ ... QG20140526" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:16 am

As an individualist, I have no problem with "money laundering," and it's doubtful that warlords and statists do either, except as it pertains to tax evasion.
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:43 am

Tom-Palven wrote:As an individualist, I have no problem with "money laundering," and it's doubtful that warlords and statists do either, except as it pertains to tax evasion.
Money laundering is a bad thing on its own, but it also the indicator that some other really bad activity has taken place and the resulting "profit" needs to be laundered.

I studied tax law under the old ATAX program with members of the Australian Tax Office's serious evasion department and mid management. It was amazing, learning about all the different schemes and methods to identify them being applied, and then to hunt down evidence on individuals to allow prosecution.

Because I'm not a tax office officer, I only got to go on raids as "an observer" justified by us non tax-officers, pushing around trolleys for tax officers to throw seized files, computers, laptops and hard drives into.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:56 pm

This article which squares with the facts as I see them, is from Haaretz.

Note the mention of an Aussie businessman 4th paragraph from the bottom, Matthew.

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium- ... 467342F6EB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:14 am

Tom-Palven wrote:Note the mention of an Aussie businessman 4th paragraph from the bottom, Matthew.
He's actually been an American since 1980. He's one of our more colourful RAAF "Reserve" intelligence officers who went into the exciting world of Olympic fencing and Chartered Banking in the late 60's, using knowledge he picked up on the job. He regained his Aussie passport in 2010 so he can travel in places Americans are not welcome. I have seen him at action at Lowy Institute conferences in Sydney.

I cannot make any comment on his political views or factions that he follows, because experienced complex people have complex views, that lift good ideas from all camps.


The article itself, also reflects my understanding of the current situation. Sadly, my views are a bit "out of date" as I have all the historical baggage in my head, which is not contained in the article.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:59 am

Not from the Associated Press:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-restocks ... zyv3w.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by OlegTheBatty » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:19 pm

Israeli sound bites translated into normal English.

This is from the BBC, There are many more like it.
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:20 am

Netanyahu for President says Ann Coulter. Why not make it official?

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/t ... here-.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:53 am

US reportedly halts missile shipment to Israel:
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:51 pm

Bill Clinton Reportedly hates Netanyahu:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2 ... aipac.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:20 am

A surprising piece from the Associated Press criticizes Netanyahu, today.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 5-01-22-55" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this a new spin from the US State Dept, and an indication of future US acceptance of full UN recognition of a Palestinian state?
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:36 am

Sweden has recognized the Palestinian state:
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2 ... srael.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:55 pm

Israel slams Sweden:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 78465.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:07 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:A surprising piece from the Associated Press criticizes Netanyahu, today.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 5-01-22-55" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this a new spin from the US State Dept, and an indication of future US acceptance of full UN recognition of a Palestinian state?
The link has gone from this one.

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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:50 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:A surprising piece from the Associated Press criticizes Netanyahu, today.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 5-01-22-55" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this a new spin from the US State Dept, and an indication of future US acceptance of full UN recognition of a Palestinian state?
The link has gone from this one.
Sorry. I didn't copy it, and don't even remember what it said. I checked some of the news sites that I scan, and can't find the piece. Maybe it's been cleansed from the web, or maybe somebody clever like Gord can find where that link goes.
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Gord » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:58 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:A surprising piece from the Associated Press criticizes Netanyahu, today.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 5-01-22-55" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this a new spin from the US State Dept, and an indication of future US acceptance of full UN recognition of a Palestinian state?
The link has gone from this one.
Sorry. I didn't copy it, and don't even remember what it said. I checked some of the news sites that I scan, and can't find the piece. Maybe it's been cleansed from the web, or maybe somebody clever like Gord can find where that link goes.
Huh? How would I know how to find it? :|

Oh, wait, here it is: http://www.salon.com/2014/08/25/israel_ ... xtremists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Netanyahu Says He Will Compromise

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:07 am

Gord wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:A surprising piece from the Associated Press criticizes Netanyahu, today.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ ... 5-01-22-55" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is this a new spin from the US State Dept, and an indication of future US acceptance of full UN recognition of a Palestinian state?
The link has gone from this one.
Sorry. I didn't copy it, and don't even remember what it said. I checked some of the news sites that I scan, and can't find the piece. Maybe it's been cleansed from the web, or maybe somebody clever like Gord can find where that link goes.
Huh? How would I know how to find it? :|

Oh, wait, here it is: http://www.salon.com/2014/08/25/israel_ ... xtremists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No, that's not the one. This was just the other day. But, thanks.

Here's other news:
The British parliament voted for a two-state solution, recognizing a Palestinian state.

I wonder if the Associated Press will cover this story?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 92485.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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