Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:08 pm

Azania wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: I see we've got our own fictional quote generator. And it's automatic!
Lol! By the looks of it you've always had it. Automaton seems to be the routine here, but you hardly notice until somebody comes along and disrupts your mechanical flow.
An obtuse mind often clogs the cognisance of consciousness to the point were repetition becomes mainstay and your awareness pales into insignificance.

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Re: Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:00 am

Azania wrote:By the looks of it you've always had it. Automaton seems to be the routine here, but you hardly notice until somebody comes along and disrupts your mechanical flow.
Nope. Interesting posts by members get attention and start discussion.

You have been spamming your same "woo" propaganda for two years here and no one pays you attention anymore.


You are simply lonely, upset and want more attention. Try another forum. :lol:

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Re: Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:27 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Azania wrote:By the looks of it you've always had it. Automaton seems to be the routine here, but you hardly notice until somebody comes along and disrupts your mechanical flow.
Nope. Interesting posts by members get attention and start discussion.
Lol!! Why thank you! And believe me I do appreciate the attention you give. Lol! Really. For the last ten pages I'm truly grateful for your input, despite the lack of it in your responses. Lots of information has been exchanged on your part but very little has been said. Nevertheless I do find it interesting that you seem unaware of your attendance and oblivious to your obvious interests in the discussion. Like I said it all happens by itself, some are aware of this fact others are not. Lol!! Lol!!

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:33 am

Angel wrote::roll:
Yes, he makes a lot of noise without making much of a sound.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:35 am

:yawn:

Looks like you sobered up and they let you out. Or kicked you out, somewhere. For making too much silly noise, as usual it seems...
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Poodle » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:28 am

Azania wrote:
Angel wrote::roll:
Yes, he makes a lot of noise without making much of a sound.
Still here, Azania? And still using a lot of language without making much sense, I see.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:36 am

scrmbldggs wrote::yawn:

Looks like you sobered up and they let you out. Or kicked you out, somewhere. For making too much silly noise, as usual it seems...
Lol!! Whatever the noise I'm making it seems to wake you up even if it's only for moments at a time. Still it's a shame you can't manage to stay awake for the duration. Lol!!

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:53 am

Poodle wrote:
Azania wrote:
Angel wrote::roll:
Yes, he makes a lot of noise without making much of a sound.
Still here, Azania? And still using a lot of language without making much sense, I see.
Lol!! It's a skill to use language beyond its utility, making sense of the sense in which it is used requires intelligence. If you mull over this a little you might hear the sound of your own noise trying to make sense of it all. Lol!! Lol!!

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:19 pm

:hmm: I didn't now they had added "Lol!!" to the special karaktrz menu...
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Poodle » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:13 pm

No - it's the LOLlock key. Just to the left of Escape.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:16 pm

:nea: Nah, prolly the NUMnut LOLlock key. Right between the Dim and Nobody Home keys.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:05 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Nope. Interesting posts by members get attention and start discussion.
Azania wrote:Lol!! Why thank you! And believe me I do appreciate the attention you give.
Nope. I'm still waiting for you to make a coherent post.

Azania wrote:Like I said it all happens by itself,
That explains the lack of coherence in your posts. You think that magically, your computer turns on, connects to the Skeptic Society and you sit down and magically make posts with no conscious input of your own.

This sounds more like a chronic case of schizophrenia.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:22 am

Azania wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Azania wrote:By the looks of it you've always had it. Automaton seems to be the routine here, but you hardly notice until somebody comes along and disrupts your mechanical flow.
Nope. Interesting posts by members get attention and start discussion.
Lol!! Why thank you! And believe me I do appreciate the attention you give. Lol! Really. For the last ten pages I'm truly grateful for your input, despite the lack of it in your responses. Lots of information has been exchanged on your part but very little has been said. Nevertheless I do find it interesting that you seem unaware of your attendance and oblivious to your obvious interests in the discussion. Like I said it all happens by itself, some are aware of this fact others are not. Lol!! Lol!!
It's been 1 page of figuring out the limits of your,... whatever it is you call your words, and 9 pages of "that's not what we do here" and "we've heard this all before" and "you're going nowhere" and "what?" and a little bit of, "go away boy you bother me."
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:46 am

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Azania wrote: Lol!! Maybe you should patch them up then.
I can't patch up your poor logic and silly claims.
Now there's a surprise! Well at least you are honest. Maybe you should look at "your logically poor approach and silly claims" from a different angle. Needless to say it requires you to think for yourself, a dose of intelligence might help. You will be surprised to know The experiencer is in the now, what he experiences is in the memory of the now.
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Azania wrote:But first you must start with yourself.
No. I'm already fully functional.


Lol!! A procedure within an application. It certainly explains why you cannot rise above the realm of ordinary perception. I have a number of fully functional applications on my computer. Normally when I switch the computer off they lie dormant until I switch it back on again. What turns you on? No! Please don't tell me lol!! Lol!

Matthew Ellard wrote:
It is you who has been compelled to come to our science forum seeking answers from more educated people than yourself, remember? You came here. We didn't go to you.


I remember a mind flowing, a body moving and the conscious arising. Who is to be compelled and to do what? Do not judge me by your own standards. I am aware of the body as I am aware of the thought that govern it but I do not take delivery of it. In my world things just happen as they should. Non compels.


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Azania wrote:Whatever I post here whether scientific or non scientific you will not be in a position to do anything else but read, BECAUSE you have been educated.
....and you never fully learned to read? :lol: That explains your confused posts and inability to use simple already existing words.


You never fully learned to understand hence your confusion but I see the problem. It is the inability of the words to convey facts that limit a restrict your capacity to understand. Had you not put so much emphasis on the spoken word you might have heard something that you would not ordinarily hear in normal perception. You do realise that perception is merely memory recorded and play back. You would do well to discover the realms of apperception where the idea of the little man does not arise. Lol!

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Azania wrote:Nothing here is that important that it should warrants your time and energy, but you are compelled.
You have been compelled to come to us. We were already here. It is you who seeks enlightenment from educated skeptics, otherwise why are you here? :lol:


Why is anybody here? To experience the bliss of existence. When here, I am everywhere in all places at all times. There's no reason for this sudden appearance, the notion of existence just appeared out of nowhere so the idea of going to or coming from somewhere is as ludicrous as your scientific analysis. I maintain a solid rock like state of awareness, in it I see everything but myself. It is you that has limited and restricted yourself to the puny little body that occupies your tiny little minds. The mind moves in the consciousness it is not the other way round you silly little man lol!! [/quote]

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Poodle » Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:03 pm

You do talk a lot of bollocks, Azania.

Are you qualified to do that?

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Re: Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:36 pm

Azzania wrote:Why is anybody here? To experience the bliss of existence. When here, I am everywhere in all places at all times. There's no reason for this sudden appearance, the notion of existence just appeared out of nowhere so the idea of going to or coming from somewhere is as ludicrous as your scientific analysis.
So close once again. The notion of existence took millennia to appear. Too bad you're missing it, sitting there like a rock, thinking existence is you. Thinking you see everything, but not being comfortable in your own skin or in the company of your own mind.
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Re: Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:19 am

Azania wrote: Maybe you should look at "your logically poor approach and silly claims" from a different angle.
No. My logic is sound. That's why you haven't identified any error and noted it down.
Matthew Ellard wrote: It is you who has been compelled to come to our science forum seeking answers from more educated people than yourself, remember? You came here. We didn't go to you.
Azania wrote:Who is to be compelled and to do what?
You are. I just said it. Did you forget? :lol:
Matthew Ellard wrote:You never fully learned to understand hence your confusion but I see the problem.
I don't have a problem. You do. That's why you are compelled to come here to our forum, to get answers from us. :lol:


Matthew Ellard wrote: You have been compelled to come to us. We were already here. It is you who seeks enlightenment from educated skeptics, otherwise why are you here? :lol:
Azania wrote: Why is anybody here?
To discuss skeptic issues. This is a skeptic forum for science based discussions. Did you forget that again? :lol:

Azania wrote: I am everywhere in all places at all times.
That must cost you a fortune in bus tickets. :lol:

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:25 am

Angel wrote:@ Mathew E ~ does your doctor know your body better than you do?
No. My doctor only knows about the bits of me I show him.
Angel wrote:As religious people expect or demand God knows them better than they know themselves. God's tired of cleaning up after others
Which "God"? Kali? Odin? Horus? Zeus? Yaweh?
All "Gods" are mere historical fictional human inventions.
Only idiots believe in a "God".

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Re: Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:56 am

Angel wrote:You expect your doctor to be psychic?
No. Do you?
Angel wrote:How will s/he be of good use to you when they don't even know you?
Hopefully, after six years of medical school and thirty years of experience they can identify the reason I went to see my doctor for, through observation and not use psychic channelling.
Angel wrote:You want the book method?
They read more than one book in medical school. Didn't you know?

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:49 am

Insania wrote:I am everywhere in all places at all times.
And how will you be going about proving that little pearl of nonsense?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:51 am

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Angel wrote:You expect your doctor to be psychic?
No. Do you? ...
Obviously Sarah Palin is not sharing her witch doctor with you, Matthew. :roll:
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:48 am

Angel wrote:Yes and they push drugs tested where? On you?
No. Drugs are thoroughly tested before humans testing. The final step is use in public patients. Didn't you know?
Angel wrote:How many (doctors) pay for their degree without learning anything ?
None. If they can't past the various final exams they do not get to buy a degree, do they? Didn't you know that?
Angel wrote:Then there's the patients who tell the doc' only what they want to so the doctor makes mistakes.
That would be the patient's fault and not the doctor. Didn't you know that?

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:59 am

Angel wrote:I still don't know that so it must be a lie. .
Educate yourself.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/

"The main consumer watchdog in this system is FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER). The center's best-known job is to evaluate new drugs before they can be sold."

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:05 am

Angel wrote:You must be high up on the top~ too high to see what's really going on?
http://finance.youngmoney.com/careers/c ... _research/
And what has that got to do with this thread or the price of fish?

Are you posting free association poetry again?

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:38 pm

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Azania wrote: Do not talk about my world like you know it, you know nothing apart from you own dream world.
Ah, there you are, Azania, completely and utterly hoist by your own petard. That single sentence of yours is blatantly self-contradictory and exposes you as what you truly are - a fraud.
It depends entirely on your standpoint. Where do you stand when you talk? Is it the consciousness or the awareness ? Although they are one the demarcation between the two is clear, where one ends the other continues. Consciousness itself is a contradiction whereas in awareness there can be no contradiction simply because there is nobody or nothing to contradict. Use your intelligence poodle and you will realise all that you have learn you have learnt by rote. Now you must unlearn by intention.

Poodle wrote: It's amazing how many levels of self-deception you have displayed in nineteen words. Within your uninvited command, I see that you instruct me not to talk about your world whilst insisting that I live in a dream world.
How can you know anything of my world if you are wrapped up in your own? When you see that all you are doing is dreaming it is over, you will automatically find yourself in my world. There is nothing deceptive about what I say and you need not be invited because it is open to all. It is your world that is personal and private hence the need for an invitation. You can come over to my world any time you like. You are welcome but I doubt whether you would be willing to forfeit your sleeping pattern.
Poodle wrote: Surely, even you must also live in your own dream world and thus have no knowledge of mine.

In reality there is no such thing as universal rules, you are dragging reality down to the level of your mind. Rules imply things to rule. What can you rule in a world where there is nothing to rule and no ruler to rule? Do not try to use your mind to understand what I'm telling you. It will not work. Of course I have no knowledge of your dream world because it is personal but I know it is a dream and that's all I need know about it. There is only one consciousness, what you see and what I see from the perspective of consciousness naturally will fundamentally be the same because it is the same consciousness that is looking. It is only when YOU the consciousness think it to be something else when seen through the filters of the mind that it becomes out of my range in consciousness. millions of dream worlds overlapped each other giving the illusion of chaos. Hence the reason life is so unpredictable, haphazard and accidental. But chaos only appears in the mind. Everything is as it should be because your are as you are asleep lol!!
Poodle wrote: Or is your world (and therefore you) a bit like a god, having a watching brief over all other worlds because you have some kind of dispensation to override your universal rules?
All is seen in awareness. Awareness is the overriding factor. Awareness is not a state of something else, it stands alone, unsupported in and of itself. But until you start thinking for yourself you will not realise it. This knowledge is mind boggling, you cannot hope to understand it thought the mind. Mind needs some sort of logic to even approach it. But it is already within your reach but you insist on the minds guidance, whereas I do not take to such mindless dictation. It is the same for me as it is for you. The only difference is I know it is only dreaming and you do not. It is the knowing and realisation that sets you free of it. Awareness is exempt from the rules that governs consciousness it is as simple as that.
Poodle wrote: Your philosophy is illogical, Grasshopper.
And so is reality grasshopper, what else? Remember, the part cannot be greater than the whole but the whole can be seen in the part.
Poodle wrote: I too live in a special universe, one in which everyone who tries just a little can spot a megalomaniacal dickhead from a mile away.
Lol!! Lol!! There is one in every universe. If you look closer you will see that it is only a reflection and you need not worry about it!! lol!! Lol!!
Poodle wrote: I don't really have to talk about your world. Your every word tells us that it's just your ego spewing trash. I won't talk too much about your world because there's so little of it - just you and your BS.

There's nothing of it!! That's the point. But you are too wrapped up in your own my world that you miss the point. You cannot talk about my world, you can only live it. What you do manage to say about it can only be imagined and the reality is never a product of the imagination unless you are still in your infancy.
Poodle wrote: Why don't you close your eyes, cross your fingers, wish hard and then click your heels three times - you may be able to make me go away. Nah - just kidding. I always kid around with blatant but rather simple liars like you.
You kid around because that's what infants do.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Poodle » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:18 pm

You'd already responded to all of those comments, Azania. Can't you remember?

You haven't answered my last question yet.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:58 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:Why are you compelled to post on our science forum? :lol:
Azania wrote:Ive already told you, it all happens by itself .
Matthew Ellard wrote: The computer turns itself on and like a zombie you sit down and log onto the Skeptic Society forum and start posting? Have you seen a doctor about your bizarre uncontrollable behaviour? :lol:
Azania wrote:Actually some BODY turns on the computer
Matthew Ellard wrote: That would be your body.


For communication purposes I will say my body but in actual fact my body is invariably absent when my mind is in abeyance. In other words when I'm deep in thought where is the idea of my body? There could be a spider crawling on it but unless it is brought to my attention by the feeling, somebody else or otherwise I am none the wiser.

Matthew Ellard wrote: Have you lost control over your own body? Are you informing us your body is posting its own mystical nonsensical crap on our forum?


The body is in full control of itself through programmed responses. It knows what it needs to do by rote. A bit like your thinking process. Not that there's anything wrong with automated thinking. In its right place it is fine. Just as long as there is no betrayal in the conviction there will be no contradiction.
Matthew Ellard wrote: Then how do you know what your body is posting, you complete idiot! :lol:
In order for your food to digest do you need to follow your digestion process after you have eaten your meal?
And how would you know of an idiot unless you qualify as one yourself? To know a complete idiot one must be beyond the completion of an idiot. Lol!!

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:10 pm

Poodle wrote:You'd already responded to all of those comments, Azania. Can't you remember?

You haven't answered my last question yet.
oh, I do apologise, could you kindly repeat it?

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:48 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Why are you compelled to post on our science forum? :lol:
Azania wrote:Ive already told you, it all happens by itself .
Matthew Ellard wrote: The computer turns itself on and like a zombie you sit down and log onto the Skeptic Society forum and start posting? Have you seen a doctor about your bizarre uncontrollable behaviour? :lol:
Azania wrote:The body is in full control of itself through programmed responses. In order for your food to digest do you need to follow your digestion process after you have eaten your meal? !
So you agree your posts have no worthy conscious input at all and are more like the body function of waste being collected in the big intestine, to later come out as turds.

Yes. I think you have correctly characterized your own posts.
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Re: Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:42 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:Why are you compelled to post on our science forum? :lol:
Azania wrote:Ive already told you, it all happens by itself .
Matthew Ellard wrote: The computer turns itself on and like a zombie you sit down and log onto the Skeptic Society forum and start posting? Have you seen a doctor about your bizarre uncontrollable behaviour? :lol:
Azania wrote:The body is in full control of itself through programmed responses. In order for your food to digest do you need to follow your digestion process after you have eaten your meal? !
So you agree your posts have no worthy conscious input at all and are more like the body function of waste being collected in the big intestine, to later come out as turds.
:lol:

All conscious input whether deemed worthy or unworthy has its place in consciousness. It is only in awareness that you see its futility and dreamlike appearance. My body acts in consciousness and the consciousness appears in my awareness. Therefore my unworthy conscious input as you deem it will be made worthy when you actually wake up and realise you are only dreaming. So the answer to your question is no I do not agree. But as soon as you awake you will have to agree with me. Lol!!