Arguing against religion

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:04 pm

I'm putting some of Azzania's quotes up on Facebook, with no citation. Just to see what people say. Every other day I'm putting up a Sam Harris quote. We'll see which get the WTF reactions.

"I know of no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too desirous of evidence in the support of their core beliefs."
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Angel » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:13 pm

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:13 pm

Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:
Angel wrote:

Who's confused?
No normal there.
Anybody can make a definition .
All may subscribe to it.
Doesn't make it right.
What is the true definition ?
What is true?
What is right?
That which absolutely works
for good. No mistakes.
No errors. It only works
for good.
How does the book I linked not fit that definition?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:53 pm

That which absolutely works
for good. No mistakes.
No errors. It only works
for good.


How does the book I linked not fit that definition?
Whaaaaaa?

1. "That which absolutely works
for good." /// Absolute anything never occurs and good is fatally ambiguous

2. No Mistakes, No Errors. /// Again, never occurs.

3. It only works for good. //// Again, fatally ambiguous.

You know: simply repeating gibberish twice in 15 words does not make a stronger argument. The thing about dictionaries: Yes its only a reference that has to be agreed upon. But the contrary position most often is to have NO REFERENCE that only the speaker agrees with...IF he even understands he is speaking in the twilight of his own over extended solipcism.

Use the dictionary. You will immediately sound 10% smarter... and most style books help as well, but can miss.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Angel » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:28 pm

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:49 am

Lausten wrote:Oh, I can google. Google a couple of the quotes above. I was looking for exact hits, to see if he was cutting and pasting. I didn't get any, but every site that came up was quantum this and 5 steps to awareness that.
Now that's interesting. I tried the same with Shaka and Clarifyit4me. I entered parts of their of posts into various search engines to see where I would get hits. I ended up with only a few hits.

That made me wonder about the way these blokes form and structure posted sentences. I think they have about 50 or so buzz words, that they throw into sentences with little care for structure and meaning within the syntax of that sentence.

Therefore, if, in theory, the Deepak Chopra "random quote generator" does not repeat itself every five thousand times, why would I expect the sentences of Skaka, Clarifyit4me or Aznia to turn up on a search engine?

This is simply an interesting side issue about word frequency, maths, statistics and decryption.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:18 am

Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:
Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:
Angel wrote:

Who's confused?
No normal there.
Anybody can make a definition .
All may subscribe to it.
Doesn't make it right.
What is the true definition ?
What is true?
What is right?
That which absolutely works
for good. No mistakes.
No errors. It only works
for good.
How does the book I linked not fit that definition?
It showed me a bunch of grammar rules yet no
definition of normal.
The context of your question was about normal grammar. This is a book on normal grammar. Generally normal would be much more difficult to define and would need lots of flexibility.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Angel » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:53 pm

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Post by Angel » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:54 pm

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:16 pm

That's cowardly. Give us your thoughts instead of brushing off others.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Angel » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:07 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:24 pm

Play the victim. Let me know how that works out for you.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Angel » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:18 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:30 pm

Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:Play the victim. Let me know how that works out for you.
Why on earth would I do that?
Your suggestions are rather useless .
You don't know what that means. Or are you also playing stupid. If you look up "victim" in the dictionary, you will see this as an example, "My thoughts don't count so
what's the point of posting them?"
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Post by Angel » Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:35 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:10 pm

Angel wrote: What does getting something from me have
to do with lying? Many people lie just because
it's a habit. I recall lying once and as I was saying
it ~ I thought to myself ~ WTF? Why did I
just say that? Oh well.... The person listening
didn't really care about what I was saying
anyway.
You seem to think I'm lying to you for some unknown reason so it's for you to tell me. As you say people lie for all sorts of reasons inadvertently and intentionally.
Angel wrote: Oh I heard ya but that's not who I am .
I don't have the exact science of myself
yet but I know it's not what you describe
me to be.
[Yet] is and understatement. In consciousness you can describe yourself only by means of negation but in reality it is an impossibility. In consciousness you only see the images. The image that you have of yourself will change over time according to your beliefs. When you were an infant you had a different set of beliefs to what you have now, no doubt your belief you hold so dearly will also change in your old age.
Angel wrote: You mean ~ mature.
I have matured. I probably
wouldn't be here had I not.
Then again~ a lot of other
people on here might not
be here either. LoL
You may have matured by some social standard but such standards are born out of ignorant obedience. Standardisation is never true to the self.
Angel wrote: Never once have I claimed to be my body.0.o*~<
I was born beyond the conscious . I have been
leaving my body from beyond entering it.
Mature is keeping your word when you are
committed to helping others . Rather than
to just those you get stuff from.
There seems to be a contradiction. You cannot be born beyond the consciousness. There is no birth of death beyond the consciousness. You cannot talk about not being a body then being born in the same vein. You cannot imagine beyond the consciousness, beyond there is only awareness.
You may not have claimed that you are the body directly but your conviction that you are something belies your belief. If you are waiting for science to reveal what you are then you are in for a long wait. Science as we know it merely pushes back the frontiers of ignorance. The event horizon can never be reach. Needless to say you can never know what you are in totality. You are only a part of a whole and the part cannot be greater than the whole but the whole can be seen in the part.
Angel wrote: Ps~ have you never walked a mile in someone
else's shoes? Never considered anyone else's
feelings? Thought of others? Do you exist in
a world where no one else matters ?
It is the pain that I feel for myself and for the others that wakes me up to the realisation that it is all in dreaming, pain wake you up pleasure puts you to sleep.
I am everybody and everybody is me I consider others feelings as my own. Whilst you are immerse in your own dream world which maybe sufficient on some scale of value there are other mental processes that are not so forgiving. If you exercise some intelligence I need not venture into this area of reasoning. But just to alert your sensitivity - have you ever been so hungry that you stomach cramps with pain. Now if I'm experiencing that you can rest assured there millions upon millions that experience this same phenomena far more intense and on a daily basis.
All I say is that you are only consciousness. You are conscious of your experience what ever they may be. Consciousness is formless it is not anything in particular yet it contains all particulars. It is an infinite potential that manifests itself as past present and future in the eternal now. I point to A but you imagine B then you talk about being mature. Maturity is growing up and seeing thing for what they are. If you do not see things as they are how are you going to help the situation? And unless you are beyond the need of help yourself how can you help other? You will only hurt them further. First get out of the picture then you can see whether anybody needs any help. If you want to help the world you must first begin with yourself you cannot change the image in the mirror via the mirror itself, the source of the image is always beyond it. You are the source and the root of consciousness. You are the root God is the tree. The earth is yours, what grows on it is gods. But to be born into consciousness is to suffer and die. All your pleasure that you derive from this world have their foundation in pain, pleasure respite from the pain. As we are we suffer for the sins of others as others suffer for our sins. The only course of action is to get out of the picture and stay out otherwise there is no end to the suffering. You do not see clearly, enough to understand what I expound. Your body and the world are not separate they are one in the consciousness. The world only exists inside your consciousness, no consciousness no world. Now you can take this or you can take back your lollipop and run all the way back to dreamland where you can go back to sleep and carry on sucking sweet dreams - they are made of candy

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:24 pm

Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:Play the victim. Let me know how that works out for you.
Why on earth would I do that?
Your suggestions are rather useless .
Hmmmm.... Angel: is English your second or third language? Lausten is CLEARLY telling you to STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM.

but, good advice by definition: is not followed.
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Post by Angel » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:53 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
Being the big bully's that you are.
So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:51 pm

Angel wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Angel wrote:
Lausten wrote:Play the victim. Let me know how that works out for you.
Why on earth would I do that?
Your suggestions are rather useless .
Hmmmm.... Angel: is English your second or third language? Lausten is CLEARLY telling you to STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM.

but, good advice by definition: is not followed.
Prove I am "playing" victim.
I've been abused by enough
people that my doctor told
me I could get away with
murder. Hehe
You're really into this "prove it" thing aren't you? Are you 7 years old?
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Angel » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:11 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Post by Angel » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:27 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
Being the big bully's that you are.
So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Re: Arguing against religion

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Azania wrote: In consciousness you can describe yourself only by means of negation but in reality it is an impossibility. In consciousness you only see the images.
...
You may have matured by some social standard but such standards are born out of ignorant obedience. Standardisation is never true to the self.
...
You cannot be born beyond the consciousness. There is no birth of death beyond the consciousness.
...
You cannot imagine beyond the consciousness, beyond there is only awareness.
Oh mah lord! What a load of Chopraisms! I had to stop reading, sorry.
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Post by Angel » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:33 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:10 pm

Angel wrote:
Nope. It just what you people have
taught me. Without proof ~ all are but
empty words in this place.
I'm not really into it. I have knowledge. lol
Words have meaning, including "prove". Use it correctly, and I'll respond.
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Post by Angel » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:05 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:08 am

Lausten wrote: Words have meaning, including "prove". Use it correctly, and I'll respond.
Good luck finding anything to respond to, from either Azanai or Angel.

They seem to be posting free form nonsense poetry. You could write the world's most clear and succinct scientific or logical explanation and they would simply continue posting their same material.

Frankly, we should have a normal conversation amongst ourselves and just go over some basic concepts, to make sure the normal members of the forum see eye to eye on some matters. That would be more interesting and fruitful.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:...the normal members of the forum...
:hmm: Are you sure you got the right address?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
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Post by Angel » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:48 am

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
Has A Nice Day :lol: <3

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:04 am

Angel wrote: I'm still waiting for you ~ yourself to stop including others in your insults.
Keep waiting. You're not a forum moderator but rather a waste of space seeking attention.
Angel wrote: Where's your intelligent contribution to the topic ?
All through the thread. You simply don't understand it.
Angel wrote: Ps ~ are you awestruck ?
No. Making your forum signature as long as a standard post, does not get my attention. Bad luck.

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:08 am

Angel wrote:You can thank Jef & Nina & the person who answered the phone there.....

I don't have to play confused~52 yrs of Jef & his friends screwing with my mind......
Your internal historical family problems, with your brother Jeff, isn't really on topic either, is it?

Have you tried an emotional counsellor on another forum? Give that a go.
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Post by Angel » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:21 am

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
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Re: Arguing against religion

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Angel wrote:You can thank Jef & Nina & the person who answered the phone there.....I don't have to play confused~52 yrs of Jef & his friends screwing with my mind......
Matthew Ellard wrote: Your internal historical family problems, with your brother Jeff, isn't really on topic either, is it? Have you tried an emotional counsellor on another forum? Give that a go. :D
Angel wrote: What ~ like you? Your such a great councillor.
I am not a counsellor. I have no interest in idiots who feel compelled to tell the world about their mundane family issues. :lol:
Angel wrote: How's your pot growing in the corn fields?
There are no corn fields in inner city Sydney. Are you having a delusion of sorts? :lol:

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Lausten » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:47 am

You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.

That's not directed at anyone. It's an example of an insult. Apparently there is confusion about an insult is. And if you ask why I did that, I'll give you another example; F you, that's why.
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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:19 pm

Monster wrote:
Azania wrote: In consciousness you can describe yourself only by means of negation but in reality it is an impossibility. In consciousness you only see the images.
...
You may have matured by some social standard but such standards are born out of ignorant obedience. Standardisation is never true to the self.
...
You cannot be born beyond the consciousness. There is no birth of death beyond the consciousness.
...
You cannot imagine beyond the consciousness, beyond there is only awareness.
Oh mah lord! What a load of Chopraisms! I had to stop reading, sorry.
Don't apologise. You are not going to understand any of it unless you exercise some intelligence.

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Post by Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:37 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
Being the big bully's that you are.
So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Post by Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:44 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
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So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
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Post by Angel » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:04 pm

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Are you proud of yourselves yet?
Being the big bully's that you are.
So you can break my heart. Big Deal.
May you all rest in my peace <3
Has A Nice Day :lol: <3

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Re: Arguing against religion

Post by Azania » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:07 pm

scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: I see we've got our own fictional quote generator. And it's automatic!