7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by Wordbird » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:45 am

If there is an afterlife, the only fair thing would be to have a Sorting Hat for it.

In other words, you just go among people who are like you. (The sorting hat is just a metaphor, maybe some sort of cosmic likes-attract type deal.)

If that's Hell, then that's justice.

If that's Heaven, then that's justice too.

None of anything anyone suffers in the afterlife would be the result of a judgement. Nothing is handed down from on high. It would all just happen endemically.

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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by fromthehills » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:28 am

Wordbird wrote:If there is an afterlife, the only fair thing would be to have a Sorting Hat for it.

In other words, you just go among people who are like you. (The sorting hat is just a metaphor, maybe some sort of cosmic likes-attract type deal.)

If that's Hell, then that's justice.

If that's Heaven, then that's justice too.

None of anything anyone suffers in the afterlife would be the result of a judgement. Nothing is handed down from on high. It would all just happen endemically.
It’s a beautiful thought, but I can also think that “they’re” about to pull the plug on this whole simulation any minute now, as “they” have gathered enough data to know that we aren’t the keepers. And I do love the thought experiment, but it’s not any deeper than what I’ve presented. They both have the same evidence backing them.

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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:02 am

Hell, without an After-Hell, makes no sense.
Same with Heaven.

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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by Wordbird » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:34 am

Wordbird wrote:If there is an afterlife, the only fair thing would be to have a Sorting Hat for it.

In other words, you just go among people who are like you. (The sorting hat is just a metaphor, maybe some sort of cosmic likes-attract type deal.)

If that's Hell, then that's justice.

If that's Heaven, then that's justice too.

None of anything anyone suffers in the afterlife would be the result of a judgement. Nothing is handed down from on high. It would all just happen endemically.
You know, I've been thinking about this one and congratulating myself on envisioning a version of the afterlife that isn't Hellishly arbitrary and unfair.

But then I realised this version of the afterlife holds no power to manipulate anyone into anything.

It's likely people have conceived it before and it just goes nowhere.

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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by Gord » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:51 am

ElectricMonk wrote:Hell, without an After-Hell, makes no sense.
Same with Heaven.
What about a pre-Heaven?

Here ya go: https://www.gocomics.com/saturday-morni ... ti=2227990
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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:12 am

Limbo: (theology) in Roman Catholicism, the place of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (such as infants and virtuous individuals) /// This is why it takes years to get a phd in religious studies. The BS is deep.
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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by SEG » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:54 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:12 am
Limbo: (theology) in Roman Catholicism, the place of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (such as infants and virtuous individuals) /// This is why it takes years to get a phd in religious studies. The BS is deep.
What happened to all the babies burning in hell before they made up Limbo? Did they all float up to Heaven smelling of burnt sulfur, or just all ducked under sticks?
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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:15 pm

I'm not sure, but I think they went to hell...…..but...….somehow the people got some kind of morality from other than the Church/bible/God and such a cruel teaching was changed. When a bunch of other cruel teaching meant to keep Preists in control of God, enough Catholics got so fed up they schismed and formed their own Word Direct from God religion called Protest...….anism.

Religion: hokum from start to finish......mostly, actually, people just want to have good relationships within their own families. ……………...
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Re: 7 Reasons to Stop Believing in Hell

Post by landrew » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:04 pm

I never started.
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