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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:45 pm

SweetPea wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Thank you Sweetpea. You are surprisingly compliant.
Aren't I, though!
Yes, actually quite pleasant.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:47 pm

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SweetPea wrote:So the most recent ancestor of humans is the most recent ancestor of all the other apes. Is that right, Oh Great bobbo?
No..close though. You have to go back in time a few more species. That would be what has been posted twice now and is the common term in the field: the most recent COMMON ancestor==as in COMMON to both Gorillas, Chimps, Orangs and Man.
But are we not looking for the most recent ancestor of humans, Oh Great bobbo? Otherwise we could just settle on it being a single celled organism that is the ancestor. And that's not what this is about. It's not about if evolution happened, or the first ancestor. It's about whether or not we are descended from an ape. It's about the most recent ancestor of humans, not any of the more distant ancestors.

Is the most recent ancestor of humans an ape, or is it not an ape? That is the question. By looking at the Superfamily's most recent ancestor, instead of our own, of course we unduly eliminate the possibility that an ape is our ancestor. But you know that - you're the Great bobbo!
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:51 pm

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SweetPea wrote:So far bobbo has infomed that the ancestor of Homo sapiens, was not an ape.
All the animals google shows as possibly ancestral ARE said to be apes.
It's a perfect quandry, it is, for poor Sweetpea. Left without the guidance of bobbo.
Humans are apes.

What's the purpose of this thread? To try to have an internet fight with bobbo_the_Pragmatist regarding evolution, or to get attention, or what? I don't get it.
Bobbo has informed us that humans are not descended from an ape. That is the question. Do YOU believe that our most recent ancestor was not an ape?
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:58 pm

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SweetPea wrote:So the most recent ancestor of humans is the most recent ancestor of all the other apes. Is that right, Oh Great bobbo?
No..close though. You have to go back in time a few more species. That would be what has been posted twice now and is the common term in the field: the most recent COMMON ancestor==as in COMMON to both Gorillas, Chimps, Orangs and Man.
But are we looking for the most recent COMMON ancestor, oh Great bobbo or are we looking for the most recent HUMAN ancestor?

By choosing to look further back, to the ancestor of all apes, that does not answer the question of our most recent ancestor. You could just as well point to the common ancestor of all mammals or all animals. That wouldn't tell us our most recent ancestor. The most recent ancestor of all mammals is certainly not an ape. By going further back, we've eliminated the possibility. We could go even further back and show that an ancestor didn't even have a spine. That is not our quest. We do not want to eliminate the possiblity of it being an ape, by going further back.

It's about OUR most recent ancestor, not the most recent ancestor of gibbons, orangs, or worms, for that matter.


The question is about our most recent ancestor, is it not? OUR most recent ancestor. But bobbo knows this.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:06 pm

Homo Sapiens most recent ancestor is shown in the link you provided. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... _evolution Find Homo Sapiens and look one paragraphs up.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:11 pm

The bipedal australopithecines (a genus of the Hominina subtribe) evolve in the savannas of Africa being hunted by Dinofelis. Loss of body hair occurs from 3 to 2 Ma, in parallel with the development of full bipedalism.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:14 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Homo Sapiens most recent ancestor is shown in the link you provided. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... _evolution Find Homo Sapiens and look one paragraphs up.
200 ka Omo1 and Omo2 sites, (Omo River, Ethiopia), yield the earliest fossil evidence for anatomically modern Homo sapiens.[31]

By a 2015 study, the hypothetical man Y-chromosomal Adam is estimated to have lived in East Africa about 250 ka. He would be the most recent common ancestor from whom all male human Y chromosomes are descended.[32]
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:16 pm

600 ka
A reconstruction of Homo heidelbergensis

Three 1.5 m (5 ft) tall Homo heidelbergensis left footprints in powdery volcanic ash solidified in Italy. Homo heidelbergensis may be a common ancestor of humans and Neanderthals.[30] It is morphologically very similar to Homo erectus but Homo heidelbergensis had a larger brain-case, about 93% the size of that of Homo sapiens. The holotype of the species was tall, 1.8 m (6 ft) and more muscular than modern humans.

Beginning of the Middle Paleolithic.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:28 pm

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Apes (Hominoidea) are a branch of Old World tailless anthropoid catarrhine primates native to Africa and Southeast Asia. They are distinguished from other primates by a wider degree of freedom of motion at the shoulder joint as evolved by the influence of brachiation. There are two extant branches of the superfamily Hominoidea: the gibbons, or lesser apes; and the hominids, or great apes.

The family Hylobatidae, the lesser apes, include four genera and a total of sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang, all native to Asia. They are highly arboreal and bipedal on the ground. They have lighter bodies and smaller social groups than great apes.

The family Hominidae, known collectively as the great apes, include orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans;[1][2][3][4] alternatively, this family clade is also known as the hominids. There are seven extant species of great apes: two in the orangutans (genus Pongo), two in the gorillas (genus Gorilla), two in the chimpanzees (genus Pan), and a single extant species, Homo sapiens, of modern humans (genus Homo).[5][6]
The bipedal australopithecines (a genus of the Hominina subtribe) evolve in the savannas of Africa being hunted by Dinofelis. Loss of body hair occurs from 3 to 2 Ma, in parallel with the development of full bipedalism.
a genus of the Hominina subtribe
Superfamily Hominoidea Apes 28
Family Hominidae Great apes (humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans) (the hominids) 15
Subfamily Homininae Humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas 8
Tribe Hominini Genera Homo, Pan, and the Australopithecines 5.8
Subtribe Hominina Genus Homo and close human relatives and ancestors after splitting from Pan (the hominins) 2.5
Genus Homo Humans 2.5
Species (Archaic) Homo sapiens Modern humans 0.5
Subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens Fully (anatomically and behaviorally) modern humans 0.2
Subtribe Hominina Genus Homo and close human relatives and ancestors after splitting from Pan (the hominins) 2.5
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:29 pm

I think there is confusion in our terms that all started with "Did humans evolve from apes?" and that is that "ape" has conflicting meanings when going from common English to scientific taxonomy. Maybe this will clear it up:

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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:35 pm

The animals coming after the split to Pan and Homo ...are not Apes? Funny that, considering animals coming after splits even further back, like into Hominini and Gorillini are also all Apes.
Does the Great bobbo aver that suddenly what some of what were all apes, became non-ape?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:39 pm

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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:44 pm

Yeah, so ape became not ape and humans came from them. I get it. That's what happened, right, Oh Great bobbo?
That's why we are of the ape group.
Why, some day some apes could become non-mammalian, too. That's how it works, right, Oh Great bobbo?
OR even become non-vertebrate. That's how it goes. Makes sense.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:49 pm

SweetPea wrote:The animals coming after the split to Pan and Homo ...are not Apes? Funny that, considering animals coming after splits even further back, like into Hominini and Gorillini are also all Apes.
Does the Great bobbo aver that suddenly what some of what were all apes, became non-ape?
Sweetpea: learn to reset yourself. You have already been told the confusion you keep nagging on about is the confusion between using Ape in an English Language sense meaning Gorillas, Chimps and Orangs specifically to differentiate that group from humans. Science Language puts them in the same group.

"Most" ignorant people when challenging the notion that evolution is an observable fact counter with "Do you think man evolved from apes?" and they MEAN from chimpanzees or gorillas. I'll accept my part of the responsibility for this. I'll try to use hominid or primate in the future... more towards the scientific taxonomy.

Of note: this is a good example of the How many legs does a cat have puzzler. Labels don't change reality....only the way we think about reality.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:53 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I think there is confusion in our terms that all started with "Did humans evolve from apes?" and that is that "ape" has conflicting meanings when going from common English to scientific taxonomy. Maybe this will clear it up:

The chart shows (Hominoidea). Apes. Everything down the line can be nothing if not Ape.
Apes (Hominoidea) are a branch of Old World tailless anthropoid catarrhine primates native to Africa and Southeast Asia. They are distinguished from other primates by a wider degree of freedom of motion at the shoulder joint as evolved by the influence of brachiation. There are two extant branches of the superfamily Hominoidea: the gibbons, or lesser apes; and the hominids, or great apes.
And so our most recent ancestor...is not Ape.

Thanks again, Oh Great bobbo. Very nice work.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:56 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
SweetPea wrote:The animals coming after the split to Pan and Homo ...are not Apes? Funny that, considering animals coming after splits even further back, like into Hominini and Gorillini are also all Apes.
Does the Great bobbo aver that suddenly what some of what were all apes, became non-ape?
Sweetpea: learn to reset yourself. You have already been told the confusion you keep nagging on about is the confusion between using Ape in an English Language sense meaning Gorillas, Chimps and Orangs specifically to differentiate that group from humans. Science Language puts them in the same group.

"Most" ignorant people when challenging the notion that evolution is an observable fact counter with "Do you think man evolved from apes?" and they MEAN from chimpanzees or gorillas. I'll accept my part of the responsibility for this.
Ah, you argued all the way even after being shown the scientific terms, the charts, the families, and Superfamily, in order to educate me.
So many thanks, Oh Great bobbo.

So human did evolve from an ape. That has your sanction now, Oh great bobbo?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:57 pm

Last time Sweetpea: our most recent ancestor was an ape per scientific taxonomy. Our Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangs (does any one ever include Gibbons?) also apes where NEVER our ancestors.

End of this subject for me unless you raise some other aspect.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Last time Sweetpea: our most recent ancestor was an ape per scientific taxonomy. Our Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangs (does any one ever include Gibbons?) also apes where NEVER our ancestors.
No kidding!
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"I'm not an evolutionary geneticist but I can still point out that man did not evolve from apes"
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:03 pm

You know..... the confusion would have been nipped in the bud if you had made declaratory statements or more pointed questions rather than the open ended undefined continuation that you offered.

Bad skills.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:04 pm

What else, further back, did we not evolve from, Oh, Great bobbo?

I bet I can get another round from you.

Monkey. Not from monkey. Right?
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:You know..... the confusion would have been nipped in the bud if you had made declaratory statements or more pointed questions rather than the open ended undefined continuation that you offered.

Bad skills.
Yes, your statement was my fault. I agree.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:08 pm

Poor Sweetpea, so abused. You have grown tiresome.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:11 pm

Oh, great bobbo, a thousand pardons for making you say it!

Now, how about monkey. We did not evolve from monkey. That's also what the creationists and uneducated say the argument is.
So say it out loud and proud, Oh Great bobbo!
NOT MONKEY!!!

Educate the dumb masses. Let your inspiration flow, let the pearls fall before the swine.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:You know..... the confusion would have been nipped in the bud if you had made declaratory statements or more pointed questions rather than the open ended undefined continuation that you offered.

Bad skills.
Oh, just link him to Wikipedia. He hates that.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:44 pm

Hey Gord...... well right now, I think Sweetie had all the information he was asking for but prefers to bother his conversants with questions rather than explanations. THAT and he likes to think that any miscommunication is 100% the other guys fault. A very Peabrain game to play.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:51 pm

bobbo wrote:Sweetpea: I will no longer respond to you until you post one relevant link that answers each question one way or another.

1. (Did humans evolve from apes)

2. (What makes up the ape family)

3. (Snipe Hunt)
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:52 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Hey Gord...... well right now, I think Sweetie had all the information he was asking for but prefers to bother his conversants with questions rather than explanations. THAT and he likes to think that any miscommunication is 100% the other guys fault. A very Peabrain game to play.
YOU had PLENTY of time to change your language if that was the problem, bobbo.
I showed you the charts and the scientific classifications and names we would work from.
It's ALL you. You are an ignorant bobbo.
Maybe not QUITE as ignorant now.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:55 pm

I'm quite willing to give you another try, bobbo.

Did we descend from a monkey?
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:59 pm

Oh Great bobbo, forgive my foolishness.
And forgive me for hereby trying to put words in your mouth ( especially after the dick).
I'm not an evolutionary geneticist but I can still point out that man did not evolve from monkeys. Simple basic stuff denied by the deniers.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:04 pm

Sweetpea: making declarative statements now? Ha, ha. Well..... if you are still compliant, you can go google "miscommunication" and find out it happens even when charts and scientific classifications are use. The English vs Scientific nomenclature mix up should have been apparent to you from the start but you played with it instead.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:05 pm

Sweetpea: making declarative statements now? Ha, ha. Well..... if you are still compliant, you can go google "miscommunication" and find out it happens even when charts and scientific classifications are use. The English vs Scientific nomenclature mix up should have been apparent to you from the start but you played with it instead.

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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:12 pm

I thought you endorsed getting to the meat by asking questions, bobbo.
Then you didn't.You wanted declarations.

Remember, far earlier I said :
So far bobbo has infomed that the ancestor of Homo sapiens, was not an ape.
All the animals google shows as possibly ancestral ARE said to be apes.
It's a perfect quandry, it is, for poor Sweetpea. Left without the guidance of bobbo.
Right there was a very clear opportunity for you to change your tack, change your language. But no.

So it's MY fault you said what you said in the first place. MY fault you didn't catch on and fix yourself up, even though I explained over and in different ways, that ALL the animals possible, were apes.

RIGHT THERE , if you were not ignorant of the facts, you would have said "Oh, yes, of course the ancestor of Homo sapiens was an ape. I'm saying we didn't evolve from chimps or any other modern ape"

You had PLENTY of chances, but you didn't. Because you are that ignorant bobbo. :lol:
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:23 pm

But as I say, you have a chance to redeem yourself and prove your knowledge superior to The Deniers'.

MONKEY.

not MONKEY!!!! right? That's one that someone like you, bobbo, can hit out of the ballpark.


Yeah, you're a bit wary now, sure. But think, bobbo. Monkey. That one you're sure of. Easy home run.
We've already shown that the immediate ancestor was ape. You got this one, bobbo. I'm here to help.
You can't lose again if you say it wasn't a monkey.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:49 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sweetpea: making declarative statements now? Ha, ha. Well..... if you are still compliant, you can go google "miscommunication" and find out it happens even when charts and scientific classifications are use. The English vs Scientific nomenclature mix up should have been apparent to you from the start but you played with it instead.

To each his own.
OK, you're not saying any more that it's about Deniers saying the argument is over humans descending from modern apes vs ancient. That was then, this is now. It was all due to misunderstanding of the difference between scientific nomenclature vs English language meaning. You've changed your excuse, but so what.

FIne. Different excuse now, but let's go with THAT one now, bobbo. You're waving, but aren't being specific.
Show how any difference between them could possibly have made a difference.
You're up. I want to give you every possible chance of get out of it. I'm here to help.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:59 pm

The problem for you and arguing on the forum, bobbo, is that it's on record.


The group I mentioned were apes and humans. so I asked you to google (What makes up the ape family) to show you that apes and humans are of the same family hence humans did not evolve from apes but rather they share a common ancestor
ooooops, Oh Great bobbo. Found the final nail in your coffin.

Your claim in this thread after checking the charts with scientific nomenclature, was that it's impossible we descend from an ape because we share the group with all other apes.

booooooooobbooooooo.

So it wasn't about language misunderstanding. You thought that since all apes share the same group, it's impossible that one comes from another within the group.

boooooooobboooooooo.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

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