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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:42 am

New member bobbo has remarkable abilities which he uses to instruct and inform. Hence, The bobbo Show, created for our entertainment and edification. Bring your questions. bobbo has answers.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:45 am

The first subject bobbo will tackle, is the ancestry of the human species. Here we go.
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bobbo wrote: I'm not an evolutionary geneticist but I can still point out that man did not evolve from apes. Simple basic stuff denied by the deniers.
Do tell, bobbo. What kind of animal did humans evolve from?
A common ancestor to both groups. A basic fact 12 year olds should know.
bobbo, are humans apes?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:12 am

Where is your critique?
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:20 am

I'm not critiquing. I have these questions.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:09 am

Actually, I missed your critique/question: "Are humans apes." /// Yes, we are. Linguistically consistent with the well known basic fact that ergo we did not develop "from" them but rather with them.

You know Sweetpea: saying that humans evolved from apes is a archetypal example showing the ignorance of the anti-evolution crowd..... even if you disagree with it, you should know it, and the explanation of it.

You are either a complete poser, or your reading material is highly restricted and "special" which would be inconsistent with comments you make here and there regarding CC. Yes........the evidence is mounting for poser. Prove me wrong.

Good questions make for the strongest critique. Aristotelian in fact.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:27 pm

Thank you, bobbo.
What is the the name of the other of the 2 groups you mentioned, if humans are of the ape group ?

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SweetPea wrote:What kind of animal did humans evolve from?
A common ancestor to both groups
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:48 pm

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Post by gorgeous » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:10 pm

The well-known British evolutionist and paleontologist Colin Patterson makes this confession on the subject:

"No one has ever produced a species by mechanisms of natural selection"
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:18 pm

Gee G...I won't even look up the guy because its the consensus of qualified scientists that all species evolved by mechanisms of natural selection. You can see it in a test tube of bacteria, or a cage of fruit flies. As always, when you grow a bone, it gets more difficult to show if you don't accept the fossil record. But you know that.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:27 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The ignore function is our friend.
New to this group, dealing with Sweetpea reminds me of many types of dysfunctional people who can't get out of their own way. I could not manufacture the non-sequiters and inane connections he makes. For a short while, its fun to observe.

Its already grown tiresome a few times, so it won't take too long.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:29 pm

Ah yeah, a favored subject for creationists to misquote. Why am I not surprised gorgonzola would latch onto that... :roll:

Patterson also said: "I learned that one should think carefully about candor in argument (in publications, lectures, or correspondence) in case one was furnishing creationist campaigners with ammunition in the form of 'quotable quotes', often taken out of context."
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:39 pm

A common ancestor to both groups
Thank you bobbo.
If humans are of the ape group, then what is the name of the other group you mentioned?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:48 pm

Sweetpea.... make google your friend. Post back if you can't find simple questions with millions of hits.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:01 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sweetpea.... make google your friend. Post back if you can't find simple questions with millions of hits.
Surely bobbo is not unable to say what the name is, of the other group he mentioned. google doesn't know what bobbo had in mind, right?
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The ignore function is our friend.
New to this group, dealing with Sweetpea reminds me of many types of dysfunctional people who can't get out of their own way. I could not manufacture the non-sequiters and inane connections he makes. For a short while, its fun to observe.

Its already grown tiresome a few times, so it won't take too long.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:20 pm

Sweetpea: I will no longer respond to you until you post one relevant link that answers each question one way or another.

1. (Did humans evolve from apes)

2. (What makes up the ape family)

3. (Snipe Hunt)

I'm not going to do your work for you. Consider it dirty science.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:25 pm

So far bobbo has infomed that the ancestor of Homo sapiens, was not an ape.
All the animals google shows as possibly ancestral ARE said to be apes.
It's a perfect quandry, it is, for poor Sweetpea. Left without the guidance of bobbo.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:31 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
2. (What makes up the ape family)
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Apes (Hominoidea) are a branch of Old World tailless anthropoid catarrhine primates native to Africa and Southeast Asia. They are distinguished from other primates by a wider degree of freedom of motion at the shoulder joint as evolved by the influence of brachiation. There are two extant branches of the superfamily Hominoidea: the gibbons, or lesser apes; and the hominids, or great apes.

The family Hylobatidae, the lesser apes, include four genera and a total of sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang, all native to Asia. They are highly arboreal and bipedal on the ground. They have lighter bodies and smaller social groups than great apes.

The family Hominidae, known collectively as the great apes, include orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans;[1][2][3][4] alternatively, this family clade is also known as the hominids. There are seven extant species of great apes: two in the orangutans (genus Pongo), two in the gorillas (genus Gorilla), two in the chimpanzees (genus Pan), and a single extant species, Homo sapiens, of modern humans (genus Homo).[5][6]
Apes are not a family, bobbo, according to wiki. Different families make up what is called a "superfamily", so apes make up Hominoidea, a superfamily.
I can accept that wiki is wrong. bobbo is correct, of course.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:44 pm

Sweetpea: this is new for both of us, so I'll recognize the effort you've made so far: copy and paste the link you found for the above. Same with the remaining two questions. From your own post: "The family Hominidae, known collectively as the great apes, include orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans." Seems pretty straight forward to me. Humans/apes would also be in any superfamily, its a wider grouping, not mutually exclusive.

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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:05 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... _evolution
Superfamily Hominoidea Apes 28
Family Hominidae Great apes (humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans) (the hominids) 15
Subfamily Homininae Humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas 8
Tribe Hominini Genera Homo, Pan, and the Australopithecines 5.8
Subtribe Hominina Genus Homo and close human relatives and ancestors after splitting from Pan (the hominins) 2.5
Genus Homo Humans 2.5
Species (Archaic) Homo sapiens Modern humans 0.5
Subspecies Homo sapiens sapiens Fully (anatomically and behaviorally) modern humans
Geez, bobbo, it says
Hominina Genus Homo and close human relatives and ancestors after splitting from Pan (the hominins) 2.5
that Hominina encompasses our ancestors and Hominina is encompassed in the Superfamily Hominoidea, making our ancestor an ape.

That's wiki for ya. It's sure no bobbo of scientific knowledge!
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Post by busterggi » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:08 pm

gorgeous wrote:The well-known British evolutionist and paleontologist Colin Patterson makes this confession on the subject:

"No one has ever produced a species by mechanisms of natural selection"
of course if one did deliberately produce a new species then it wouldn't be natural selection, it would be artificial selection.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:11 pm

Post your link.

Only two more to go.
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:16 pm

Here's the link for the first wiki citation, Oh Great bobbo... "Ape"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
and for my second citation, Oh Great bobbo..."Timeline of Human Evolution"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... _evolution
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:23 pm

Heres how ignorance corrupts: "Ken Ham: If Evolution Says Humans Are Animals, Why Bother Worrying About Climate Change?" Ha, ha---two of my favorite subjects all fubar'd together.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... OTI2MzgzS0
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sweetpea: this is new for both of us, so I'll recognize the effort you've made so far: copy and paste the link you found for the above. Same with the remaining two questions. From your own post: "The family Hominidae, known collectively as the great apes, include orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans." Seems pretty straight forward to me. Humans/apes would also be in any superfamily, its a wider grouping, not mutually exclusive.

Good boy.
Yes, aren't I, Oh Great bobbo?
What still puzzles me is why you asked what makes up the Ape family, when the group "Apes" is not a family ( according to wiki).
But then, you told me to google. That's the trouble with googling, you see. It's not bobbo. It's why I asked bobbo to tell the name of the other group he referred to.
It's just me that's confused, naturally - bobbo knows best.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:33 pm

Sweetpea: "What still puzzles me is why you asked for members of the Ape family when the group "Apes" is not a family. /// Because you asked me: "If humans are of the ape group, then what is the name of the other group you mentioned?" The group I mentioned were apes and humans. so I asked you to google (What makes up the ape family) to show you that apes and humans are of the same family hence humans did not evolve from apes but rather they share a common ancestor.

If my suggested searches aren't specifically what you think is appropriate, thats ok. It gets us into the ballpark of actual knowledge accumulation instead o time wasting name calling.
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SweetPea wrote:So far bobbo has infomed that the ancestor of Homo sapiens, was not an ape.
All the animals google shows as possibly ancestral ARE said to be apes.
It's a perfect quandry, it is, for poor Sweetpea. Left without the guidance of bobbo.
Humans are apes.

What's the purpose of this thread? To try to have an internet fight with bobbo_the_Pragmatist regarding evolution, or to get attention, or what? I don't get it.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Heres how ignorance corrupts: "Ken Ham: If Evolution Says Humans Are Animals, Why Bother Worrying About Climate Change?" Ha, ha---two of my favorite subjects all fubar'd together.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... OTI2MzgzS0
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bobbo wrote:
SweetPea wrote:
bobbo wrote:
SweetPea wrote:
bobbo wrote:'m not an evolutionary geneticist but I can still point out that man did not evolve from apes. Simple basic stuff denied by the deniers.
Do tell, bobbo. What kind of animal did humans evolve from?
A common ancestor to both groups. A basic fact 12 year olds should know.
bobbo, are humans apes?
Yes, we are
So there are 2 groups: Humans, and Apes. Humans are Apes, though. So the most recent ancestor of humans is the most recent ancestor of humans and all the other apes. Is that right, Oh Great bobbo?
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:03 pm

you may be an ape but I'm not...
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Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:09 pm

We are not here to contradict the pearls of wisdom given us by The Great bobbo, gorgeous Although many supposedly scientific sites such as Smithsonian, repeatedly talk about Apes and Humans as if distinct from each other, this is perhaps only due to poorly written explanations on such sites. Bobbo is here to enlighten.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:21 pm

Sweetpea: "So there are 2 groups: Humans, and Apes. Humans are Apes, though. So the most recent ancestor of humans is the most recent ancestor of humans and all the other apes. Is that right, Oh Great bobbo? /// Your second link reveals "the most recent COMMON ANCESTOR of other apes and humans." Not another ape....the result of speciation or evolution.

Dawkins had an interesting sidebar to this: "starting with the single celled progenitor of all life through eons to man, one looks at each generation from Generation X to Generation X+1 and almost without exception no difference between the two can be observed. Each generation able to reproduce with the other. Let time pass, and one part of that chain of life looks nothing like other areas of the chain and cannot reproduce with them." Like apes/humans and their ancestors that were not apes/homo sapiens.

You have one last task Sweetpea: copy and paste the link to (Snipe Hunt). Its why I won't respond to you without you doing the minimum basic work before foisting same onto others by asking for baseline information.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:23 pm

gorgeous wrote:you may be an ape but I'm not...
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sweetpea: "What still puzzles me is why you asked for members of the Ape family when the group "Apes" is not a family. /// Because you asked me: "If humans are of the ape group, then what is the name of the other group you mentioned?" The group I mentioned were apes and humans. so I asked you to google (What makes up the ape family) to show you that apes and humans are of the same family hence humans did not evolve from apes but rather they share a common ancestor.

If my suggested searches aren't specifically what you think is appropriate, thats ok. It gets us into the ballpark of actual knowledge accumulation instead o time wasting name calling.
Yes, I was looking for the other group's name, which is "Apes", as I presumed.
Now that you've explained that humans are included in that group, we have two groups. "Humans" and "Apes"(Apes, including humans)

...and that our ancestor is the common ancestor of the two groups. Being that humans are in the "Apes" group, our most recent ancestor is the ancestor of all apes.
Thank you for that great wisdom, Oh Great bobbo.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:34 pm

Thank you Sweetpea. You are surprisingly compliant. I hope that the exercise of actually using google was enjoyable for you? I will ask for such links in the future when you ask questions that you should already know the answer to. And I will read your links. A common knowledge base is essential for good conversation.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:34 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Sweetpea: "What still puzzles me is why you asked for members of the Ape family when the group "Apes" is not a family. /// Because you asked me: "If humans are of the ape group, then what is the name of the other group you mentioned?" The group I mentioned were apes and humans. so I asked you to google (What makes up the ape family) to show you that apes and humans are of the same family hence humans did not evolve from apes but rather they share a common ancestor.
According to wiki, all apes are NOT of the same family, oh Great bobbo.
That's why wiki is just wiki and the Great bobbo is the Great bobbo!
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:35 pm

So the most recent ancestor of humans is the most recent ancestor of all the other apes. Is that right, Oh Great bobbo?
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:39 pm

SweetPea wrote:So the most recent ancestor of humans is the most recent ancestor of all the other apes. Is that right, Oh Great bobbo?
No..close though. You have to go back in time a few more species. That would be what has been posted twice now and is the common term in the field: the most recent COMMON ancestor==as in COMMON to both Gorillas, Chimps, Orangs and Man.
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Re: It's The bobbo Show!!!

Post by SweetPea » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:40 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Thank you Sweetpea. You are surprisingly compliant.
Aren't I, though!
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=24129" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;