The Most Dangerous Religion

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The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:09 pm

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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by Monster » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:09 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:Warning: Not suitable for JO 753: May Cause Stroke in Anti-libertarians

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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by Flash » Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:11 am

Yeah, that's the evil government.
But, but, who would have the power if governments were not there? The corporations and the oligarchs?
Aren't the libertarians worried that corporation is like a government and oligarchs are like kings?

What are the libertarians going to do when some corporation poisons their land and takes their jobs away with having nobody even to complain to?

And lastly, isn't libertarianism like a religion in their worship of power and money?
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:31 am

Flash wrote:
And lastly, isn't libertarianism like a religion in their worship of power and money?
Imho, Objectivism was like a religion, worshipping Ayn Rand, money, and power, but as far as I can see, liberty is mostly of benefit to the little person, not royalty, military dictators, or an entrenched bureaucrat elite which includes revolving door corporate boards of the Military-Industrial-Congressional establishment.

Your other questions are harder, and are addressed by Milton and Rose Friedman's son, Professor David Friedman, in his book The Machinery of Freedom

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I'm not a Born Again Libertarian, but I do think that individual liberty and economic freedom are better ideas than ham-fisted authoritarianism.
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by moth1ne » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:17 pm

Libertarianism is like religion in that it relies on faith in something (the free market) without evidence. There has never been a free market... Ever...
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:22 pm

moth1ne wrote:Libertarianism is like religion in that it relies on faith in something (the free market) without evidence. There has never been a free market... Ever...
No, but there sure has been a lot of faith in it.
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by moth1ne » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:05 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
moth1ne wrote:Libertarianism is like religion in that it relies on faith in something (the free market) without evidence. There has never been a free market... Ever...
No, but there sure has been a lot of faith in it.
There's arguably more faith in Santa Claus
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:31 pm

moth1ne wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
moth1ne wrote:Libertarianism is like religion in that it relies on faith in something (the free market) without evidence. There has never been a free market... Ever...
No, but there sure has been a lot of faith in it.
There's arguably more faith in Santa Claus
Depends who's doing the faithing.
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by Flash » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:53 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:
I'm not a Born Again Libertarian, but I do think that individual liberty and economic freedom are better ideas than ham-fisted authoritarianism.
This is the kind of a statement nobody can really disagree with.
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:25 am

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So, they want to move to the Matto Grasso and live free or die, right?
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Re: The Most Dangerous Religion

Post by digress » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:00 pm

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Using the term government to represent images of the USA in the background wont do if you then continue using those terms and later changing the imagery to Hitler/Stalin examples. This is not a fair comparison. So what are the intentions?

For a better example, What does the youtuber have to say about Icelands government?

I feel a bit uneasy when I hear it stated near the end that the "cult of statism is almost dead" by comparing how powerful his rhetorical message is with similarities to a time when it was shown the earth was not flat. It's a very subtle confession to a desperate conviction.

I think the USA needs to reform to a smaller government. However, after seeing Ron Paul's last election I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon, if ever. But that's a digression.
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