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Glass or Plastic Food Containers

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:30 pm

Glass or Plastic Food Containers

Which is better for the environment, glass or plastic? Which is better for you? Is there a moral, logical, rhetorical, political, metaphysical, religious reason to prefer one over the other?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:44 pm

How durable is the plastic? I've got plastic containers I bought in 2007. (A.D.)
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Re: Glass or Plastic Food Containers

Post by Rob Lister » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:50 pm

I buy pasta sauce in glass jars. That's about it. I do that because the best pasta sauce comes in glass jars. I know it's the best because they package it in glass jars.
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Re: Glass or Plastic Food Containers

Post by Flash » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:14 am

Yeap, another pasta sauce myth hits the dust.
Re; the containers. I prefer wood. Wooden tomato sauce jars, wooden cooking utensils, wooden shoes, wooden hats. Very good for the environment.
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Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:32 am

Is it a myth? I've had a couple of brands of canned pasta sauce and found them lacking. They were, after all, canned sauces.

I don't think glass is more environmentally friendly than plastic. They might be close. It takes a lot of energy to melt glass and form it. Not so much with plastic. But one can recycle glass more readily than plastic. I'm very torn.
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Rob Lister wrote:Is it a myth? I've had a couple of brands of canned pasta sauce and found them lacking. They were, after all, canned sauces.
I'd agree. Not a myth, just a matter of taste. But the question would be, is glass essential or just a snob factor?
I don't think glass is more environmentally friendly than plastic. They might be close. It takes a lot of energy to melt glass and form it. Not so much with plastic. But one can recycle glass more readily than plastic. I'm very torn.
Turn them both in for recycling and worry about something else. Seen "Transcendence"?
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Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:37 am

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Rob Lister wrote:I don't think glass is more environmentally friendly than plastic. They might be close. It takes a lot of energy to melt glass and form it. Not so much with plastic. But one can recycle glass more readily than plastic. I'm very torn.
Turn them both in for recycling and worry about something else.
I pick this for the weekly worry. So if glass is twice as energy intensive to make and transport than plastic, what percentage of glass must make it back to the recycling center for it to be more environmentally friendly than plastic?
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:32 am

If plastics weren't made from fossil feedstocks, I'd be all over them like a vinyl suit on Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman.
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Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:53 am

Major Malfunction wrote:If plastics weren't made from fossil feedstocks, I'd be all over them like a vinyl suit on Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman.
That seems irrational. Not Michelle. She's uber-rational.

We can burn the fossil feedstock to make the energy to make the glass ...
... or ...
Just extract from the fossil feedstock only what is necessary to make the plastic and use the leftover to build the roads.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:09 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Major Malfunction wrote:If plastics weren't made from fossil feedstocks, I'd be all over them like a vinyl suit on Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman.
That seems irrational. Not Michelle. She's uber-rational.

We can burn the fossil feedstock to make the energy to make the glass ...
... or ...
Just extract from the fossil feedstock only what is necessary to make the plastic and use the leftover to build the roads.
You know, that's almost rational. Because fossil organic chemistry is such a {!#%@} goldmine of unique chemistry, I'm sure we'll all be cursed by future generations for just burning most of it.

When we could make plastics from efficient carbon-neutral feedstocks like hemp, or algae.
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Post by Rob Lister » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:42 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:You know, that's almost rational. Because fossil organic chemistry is such a {!#%@} goldmine of unique chemistry, I'm sure we'll all be cursed by future generations for just burning most of it.
I think you're right.
When we could make plastics from efficient carbon-neutral feedstocks like hemp, or algae.
I'll write you a grant proposal to make it economical. The science is up to you.

The biggest [environmental] sin is bottled water. 2007 numbers put it at 30 billion bottles per year (google charts say that number is more or less flat). Each bottle (just the bottle, not the transport or water) demands roughly 1kwh of energy (4Mj) to create, never mind the feedstock polymers. My wife buys it by the case weekly. Half empty bottles all over the damn house. I used to be in charge.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:05 pm

The crux of the matter.

Compare it to the cost of installing an in-sink filter system.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:02 am

Flash wrote:I prefer wood. Wooden tomato sauce jars, wooden cooking utensils, wooden shoes, wooden hats. Very good for the environment.
That was simply interesting. I never thought about wooden jars before. I had a look and they are quite common. The only problem is that you can see what's in the container in glass jars, which I really like.

Also I'm unsure if you can freeze a wooden jar containing excess pasta sauce or stew. So.....I tried to look it up.....and didn't find anything informative.

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Post by Major Malfunction » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:27 am

You take some grape juice, put it in a large wooden jar, leave it alone for a while. Awesomesauce.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:18 am

Major Malfunction wrote:You take some grape juice, put it in a large wooden jar, leave it alone for a while. Awesomesauce.
:lol:

But I wouldn't want to store perishables in them. I'd think that much of the living grossness soaks into the wood without the disinfecting property of Awesomesauce.


Have no idea which material is environmentally most desirable but have to say I could discern a distinct difference in taste and very much prefer the neutral glass.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:32 am

Perhaps a better way to recycle glass is to return it, intact, give it a rinse, and fill it up again. You know. Like the milkman used to do a million years ago.
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scrmbldggs wrote:But I wouldn't want to store perishables in them. I'd think that much of the living grossness soaks into the wood without the disinfecting property of Awesomesauce.
Lord Nelson thought highly of wooded kegs for storage, so much so that he stayed in one on the trip back from Trafalgar. :mrgreen:
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scrmbldggs wrote:But I wouldn't want to store perishables in them. I'd think that much of the living grossness soaks into the wood without the disinfecting property of Awesomesauce.
Lord Nelson thought highly of wooded kegs for storage, so much so that he stayed in one on the trip back from Trafalgar. :mrgreen:
Yeah, seems he was a pretty good home-maker after studying the science of pickling perishables for a while.

I hear his assistants were prone to do taste tests of the product, but that would be tapping into a myth. :-P
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Post by octopus1 » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:22 pm

I use (and re-use) lidded plastic tubs. Mainly because they're damned convenient, but also because I like to be told how many different types of cancer I'll get for using them.

I'm thoroughly disappointed not to have developed Feline Leukemia after my last pasta sauce batch. Thoroughly disappointed. And after they promised! Lying bastards.

Anyway, I'm after contracting Hysterical Pneumonia right now, so I'll be burning rotten carrots in a sealed room for the next three days. Wish me luck!
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octopus1 wrote:I use (and re-use) lidded plastic tubs. Mainly because they're damned convenient, but also because I like to be told how many different types of cancer I'll get for using them.

I'm thoroughly disappointed not to have developed Feline Leukemia after my last pasta sauce batch. Thoroughly disappointed. And after they promised! Lying bastards.

Anyway, I'm after contracting Hysterical Pneumonia right now, so I'll be burning rotten carrots in a sealed room for the next three days. Wish me luck!
I would imagine that you'd be most worried about Athlete's Foot. :D
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octopus1 wrote:I use (and re-use) lidded plastic tubs. Mainly because they're damned convenient, but also because I like to be told how many different types of cancer I'll get for using them.

I'm thoroughly disappointed not to have developed Feline Leukemia after my last pasta sauce batch. Thoroughly disappointed. And after they promised! Lying bastards.

Anyway, I'm after contracting Hysterical Pneumonia right now, so I'll be burning rotten carrots in a sealed room for the next three days. Wish me luck!
I would imagine that you'd be most worried about Athlete's Foot. :D
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Post by kennyc » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:59 am

and what of catgut and water bladders?
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kennyc wrote:and what of catgut and water bladders?
Mix them up with Spuckler's Unguent and you've a doozy of a pomade. You can buy them online. I can't remember the name of the site, but I searched Google for "McGregor's Patented Horse Nethers" and found a reputable supplier.

Simply apply to the affected area, and use your "Bing & Son. Electricity Vibrational Revitalizer" to speed things up.

I never use plastic with anything now. I prefer "Grandma Hosteen's Patent-Pending Transparent Joy-O-Film". It's coated with seven different kinds of goodness and will only give you an aneurysm if you stick it up your nose.

It's guaranteed to keep your 'moists, moist' and your 'dries, dry' - Whatever that means... :scratch:
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Okay, how about plastiglass?
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Post by octopus1 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:08 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Okay, how about plastiglass?
Too modern, not enough old fashioned traveling salesman gimmickry. If you're not wearing a filthy beige* suit when you're trying to sell me "Self Cleaning Omni-Protect" items - Then I simply can't trust you.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:01 am

kennyc wrote:and what of catgut and water bladders?
I assume we are not mentioning pottery because pottery jars needs to be fired and thus are as costly as glass jars.

I assume we are not mentioning stoneware as stoneware has to be "cut from stone" and thus also as costly as glass.

I like wood, but I don't think wood can be frozen. I like stone & ceramics but I can't see into the container. Therefore plastic and glass jars meet the "benchmarks" of what we need.

It seems to me, that plastic is the cheapest and most cost efficient and this chat really boils down to recycling, in which case I prefer glass.


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