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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:26 am

Gord wrote:What's a UDV? I thought that stood for Underwater Diving Vehicle.
I explained about them in my lengthy blog post
The União do Vegetal in Brazil (UDV) is a fine example, which is the most well known case of exceptions to international drug laws being made for a culture, as even though one of the active drugs found in their psychoactive brew is illegal they were able to show based on empirical science that the positives outweigh the negatives, allowing them to legally use the brew in Brazil. Many members of the UDV were themselves physicians, psychiatrists, or had other kinds of medical expertise, and so were most receptive to the notion of conducting a biomedical study of ayahuasca when it was proposed to them by Luna and McKenna. 



Besides the opportunity to satisfy scientific curiosity about the human pharmacology of hoasca, the UDV had a political motive for carrying out such a study; they wanted to be able to demonstrate to the Brazilian health authorities that the long-term use of hoasca tea was safe, and did not cause addiction or other adverse reactions. They won an unprecedented case recently at the U.S. Supreme Court allowing the legal use of ayahuasca throughout the USA, they tend to win cases against governments all around the world for members of their community based on this precedent. In the UK due to this the UDV centres are left alone by law enforcement based on the precedent in the USA, giving them legal immunity to the usual 'ayahusaca laws' that govern the rest of the population (never a jail sentence for it's use alone in the western world to date though, odd little fact for you). The hypocrisy is sickening, and the fact the media have still not once informed the general US or UK population about this odd bias in the law makes the situation of the 'war on drugs' even more a cultural illusion maintained only by cultural institutions with a vested interest in maintaining fear icons in the general population; it's certainly not a war based on science, skepticism or a shred of evidence. This is what I got suspended for inquiring about (I think?), asking if there were UDV groups in the UK and where I may be able to find one.


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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You don't get warnings by email at JREF.
You get notifications for threads and other things if you keep that option open. I've got the emails here, maybe you turned off that functionality somewhere along the line.
You don't get notifications of warnings by email.
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Major Malfunction wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I can get you a quart of 'shine for $5. Guaranteed less than five hours old.
I'll take it.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:47 am

I can make betterer ethanol, anyways.
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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:50 am

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You don't get warnings by email at JREF.
You get notifications for threads and other things if you keep that option open. I've got the emails here, maybe you turned off that functionality somewhere along the line.
You don't get notifications of warnings by email.
Your actually right. It's only PMs in my email inbox, I guess I was confusing reading my messages on JREF for emails. :?

I've got five years worth of them in my emails so I guess I just conflated the two things.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:53 am

Major Malfunction wrote:I can make betterer ethanol, anyways.
Different maybe, not better. How much Drano do you usually add?
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Post by Daedalus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:57 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote:Assuming you're telling the truth it would seem wise to email their moderation team and ask for clarification and/or a second chance.
That would be wise, but I have literally no means by which to even find out why I was banned yet alone email a moderator.
Zeuzzz has been banned for repeated breaches of Rule 1.
You will not post anything that is considered to be potentially criminal.
In other words, you're a slow learner.
"Repeated breaches"... yeah, this is what I expected. Oh internet... you are a predictable bitch.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:00 am

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Major Malfunction wrote:I can make betterer ethanol, anyways.
Different maybe, not better. How much Drano do you usually add?
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Major Malfunction wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Major Malfunction wrote:I can make betterer ethanol, anyways.
Different maybe, not better. How much Drano do you usually add?
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Nettles are good, but gypsum is better.
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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:10 am

Daedalus wrote: "Repeated breaches"... yeah, this is what I expected. Oh internet... you are a predictable bitch.
Hello, I am here :D

You are not speaking an inanimate internet, do you have something you want to say to me?

I believe I have adequately addressed this point in my previous posts. I can restate it if you want.

I addressed the entire premise of JREFs application of rule one in my blog post. Do you have any more productive comments?
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zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote: "Repeated breaches"... yeah, this is what I expected. Oh internet... you are a predictable bitch.
Hello, I am here :D

You are not speaking an inanimate internet, do you have something you want to say to me?
You're a goober for repeatedly soliciting drugs on JREF.

Oh it feels so good to get that off my chest...

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Daedalus wrote: You're a goober for repeatedly soliciting drugs on JREF.

Oh it feels so good to get that off my chest...
Evidence?
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Daedalus wrote: I CAN FLY FREE NOW
Make sure you have a permit to fly, if you don't that is soliciting illegal activity :D
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zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote: You're a goober for repeatedly soliciting drugs on JREF.

Oh it feels so good to get that off my chest...
Evidence?
I don't need evidence beyond them saying you broke that rule of theirs, "Repeatedly". I didn't ban you... I'm just not surprised that your story turned out to be, shall we say, less than complete.
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zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote: You're a goober for repeatedly soliciting drugs on JREF.

Oh it feels so good to get that off my chest...
Evidence?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ght=zeuzzz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote: You're a goober for repeatedly soliciting drugs on JREF.

Oh it feels so good to get that off my chest...
Evidence?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ght=zeuzzz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. "

What information are you privy to that I am not?
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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:21 am

Daedalus wrote:I don't need evidence beyond them saying you broke that rule of theirs, "Repeatedly". I didn't ban you... I'm just not surprised that your story turned out to be, shall we say, less than complete.
How exactly is my story less than complete? I'm not asking you to do any more than considering the points i've raised in this thread to counterweight a one off unsubstantiated proclamation on a forum.
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Daedalus wrote: I don't need evidence beyond them saying
Who is "them"? Can I have a username?
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zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote:I don't need evidence beyond them saying you broke that rule of theirs, "Repeatedly". I didn't ban you... I'm just not surprised that your story turned out to be, shall we say, less than complete.
How exactly is my story less than complete? I'm not asking you to do any less than considering the points i've raised in this thread to counterweight a one off unsubstantiated proclamation on a forum.
You claimed that after 5000 posts, 5 years, and no warning or incidents beyond some hotlinking issues... you were suddenly banned for the post in question.

JREF says:
JREF wrote:Zeuzzz has been banned for repeated breaches of Rule 1. You will not post anything that is considered to be potentially criminal.
Repeated. For which you would have been warned, by the way.

Look... you were busted. You tried to dodge the ban. You were busted. You tried to get friend in to dodge your ban. You were busted. You came here with a sob story that made no sense. You were busted.

YOU'RE {!#%@} BUSTED. MOVE ON.
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zeuzzz wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote: You're a goober for repeatedly soliciting drugs on JREF.

Oh it feels so good to get that off my chest...
Evidence?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... ght=zeuzzz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. "

What information are you privy to that I am not?
That's for the people who haven't ignored the rules.
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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:34 am

Daedalus wrote:
You claimed that after 5000 posts, 5 years, and no warning or incidents beyond some hotlinking issues... you were suddenly banned for the post in question.
I still claim this and it has yet to be refuted.
JREF says:
JREF wrote:Zeuzzz has been banned for repeated breaches of Rule 1. You will not post anything that is considered to be potentially criminal.
Which user posted that? The user is really quite inconsequential (raises little pinky to mouth) but I'm still curious.
Repeated. For which you would have been warned, by the way.
I very well may have recieved a warning somewhere in my many years of posting there. Yet whilst I see conspiracy nuts and woo peddlers getting suspensions and cautions for numerous things and all still returning to peddle all sorts of nonsense they rarely if ever get an outright banning with no reason. I still contend that I was not fairly treated by the application of the forum rules.
Look... you were busted.
For what? You are not giving much evidence for these proclamations.
You tried to dodge the ban.
How so? I can not dodge a ban that comes out of the blue with no warning or even reasoning. As I've previously stated there isn't even a legal precedent for the action and application of rule one as they tried to apply it to me. I can re-quote why this is the case if necessary.
You tried to get friend in to dodge your ban.
Nope. I openly asked on one of my lesser facebook groups if people would try to sign up for JREF to see if it worked. I have explained this previously. I'm not trying to smuggle people into the forum, I merely asked that if they wanted to sign up they could and they should tell me what happened; none of them were able to. Out of about 30 people.
You came here with a sob story that made no sense.
Which part makes no sense? Please be as exact as possible so I can answer coherently.
YOU'RE {!#%@} BUSTED. MOVE ON.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote: That's for the people who haven't ignored the rules.
Which rules are you referring to?

Please quote the exact rule and the exact point at which I ignored them.

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Post by Daedalus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:37 am

Can't imagine why they'd show this gem the door. :roll:
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zeuzzz wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote: That's for the people who haven't ignored the rules.
Which rules are you referring to?

Please quote the exact rule and the exact point at which I ignored them.

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:40 am

Daedalus wrote:Can't imagine why they'd show this gem the door. :roll:
So you are giving up on your previous position?
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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:41 am

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote: That's for the people who haven't ignored the rules.
Which rules are you referring to?

Please quote the exact rule and the exact point at which I ignored them.

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by Daedalus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:44 am

zeuzzz wrote:
Daedalus wrote:Can't imagine why they'd show this gem the door. :roll:
So you are giving up on your previous position?
You don't really understand any of this do you?

You were banned from JREF... and in less than 30 posts you've ensured that not only does nobody here give a rat's ass, but that we've essentially written you off as well.

What your endgame is here, if not just some sad internet addicted spasm is a mystery to me... a mystery I don't care to see through to the end. Bye now.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:47 am

This is the point where we stop talking TO him and just talk ABOUT him.
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Post by Daedalus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:48 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:This is the point where we stop talking TO him and just talk ABOUT him.
We're on the same page it seems... fist bump!

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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:49 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:This is the point where we stop talking TO him and just talk ABOUT him.
Cool. How mature lol. :D

I'm sorry if my posts have touched a nerve.

I think it will be evident to anyone reading this thread with an impartial predisposition who has made the most cogent arguments and who has ended up resorting to ad hominem logical fallacies.

Have a nice evening.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:50 am

Is there a troll check list they have to use?
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Post by Daedalus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:51 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Is there a troll check list they have to use?
Actually, yes.

http://bichaunt.org/Trolls/Troll05.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:54 am

Figures.
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Post by Daedalus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:56 am

Oooh, and another one!

http://pluperfecter.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... ernet.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pluperfecter wrote:Acts innocent when called a troll, and states "I'm just stating a contrary opinion, and you can't handle it", but the reality is they are not innocent, they are trouble-makers who only post inflammatory remarks, rarely contributing any real value or good information to a discussion
So... also Salomed, Percy, Sweetiemuffintop, Al, this guy... etc... etc... etc...
zeuzzz wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:This is the point where we stop talking TO him and just talk ABOUT him.
Cool. How mature lol. :D

I'm sorry if my posts have touched a nerve.
I think it will be evident to anyone reading this thread with an impartial predisposition who has made the most cogent arguments and who has ended up resorting to ad hominem logical fallacies.

Have a nice evening.
Oh and...
Pluperfecter wrote:They, when not confronted or exposed sufficiently, will seek to have the last word in an online discussion. When nobody responds to their last troll comment, they will proudly proclaim that they "won" what they fantasize as a "content" or "battle".
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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:57 am

Daedalus wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Is there a troll check list they have to use?
Actually, yes.

http://bichaunt.org/Trolls/Troll05.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The best way to tell a troll from a normal person is not by the arguments they make but by the moral vector of their posts. As soon as an ad hominem suffices the persons mask slips revealing their trollish nature. And a group of trolls have more masks to hide behind but their own arguments are self defeating.

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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:04 am

Ah thinks we can tells whose the trolls is! Yeehar!
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Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:08 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Ah thinks we can tells whose the trolls is! Yeehar!
Woop de dooo :D

Now, back to the topic at hand. So you have anything productive to say?
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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:12 am

That depends. Do you?
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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by zeuzzz » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:14 am

Daedalus wrote: Oh and...
Pluperfecter wrote:They, when not confronted or exposed sufficiently, will seek to have the last word in an online discussion. When nobody responds to their last troll comment, they will proudly proclaim that they "won" what they fantasize as a "content" or "battle".
What a rather convenient 'get of of jail free' clause to use every time you loose an argument :roll:
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