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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:31 am

scrmbldggs wrote:That's what grown ups do.
I'm not grown up. And I never intend to. Adults are boring. The secret to life is to keep childlike intrigue and interest alive throughout your existence.

I'm quite mature, but being 'grown up' is something quite different in my mind.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:32 am

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Pyrrho wrote: I kinda sorta doubt the JREF moderators take much interest in discussions here about the rules there, FWIW.
I agree, but i have no other means by which to converse with them to try to improve the forum so future mistakes do not happen.
zeuzzz wrote:Well this is wrong due to the fact of that ayahusaca is not a legal substances whose use of is illegal, the very use of it is legal with the UDV. Also ayahusaca is not a little known drug, its a religious sacrament that has over 5000 years of use by various cultures, a proven scientific record of being safe. That is why I asked for the person who has used a UDV center to PM me instead of use the thread. Getting the DMT was not the goal, I have DMT nearly all the time, the whole point was finding a geographic location to use it in the correct context. Again, this was misinterpreted.
Please explain this to me. You want to have a "spiritual experience"... besides being doped up all the time anyway?
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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:35 am

^ Enough of the pseudo profundities :D I am not going to learn anything from a forum that made a clear mistake. No one has really defended the decision here or come up with a reason why their actions were in accordance with the forum rules.
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zeuzzz wrote:...keep childlike intrigue and interest alive throughout your existence...
I actually agree with you here.

And that's about it...
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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:37 am

scrmbldggs wrote: Please explain this to me. You want to have a "spiritual experience"... besides being doped up all the time anyway?
I would hardly call using ayahuasa twice in my life as being doped up all the time. It's been proven clinically to be a medicine with extraordinary mental healing efficacy. Do you want the scientific literature?
...and violated a JREF rule to achieve that?
I did not violate a rule. I've been over this. I can quote why again if you want?
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zeuzzz wrote:^ Enough of the pseudo profundities :D I am not going to learn anything from a forum that made a clear mistake. No one has really defended the decision here or come up with a reason why their actions were in accordance with the forum rules.
Why would anyone defend the decision here?
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Post by Major Malfunction » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:45 am

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Post by Daedalus » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:53 am

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zeuzzz wrote:^ Enough of the pseudo profundities :D I am not going to learn anything from a forum that made a clear mistake. No one has really defended the decision here or come up with a reason why their actions were in accordance with the forum rules.
Why would anyone defend the decision here?
...And really, given the course this thread took from VERY early on... why would we care even if we could?

Really Zeuzzz... I hate to break it to you, but there is a VAST gulf between how you clearly view yourself and your role on any given forum, and how you actually manage to act.
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scrmbldggs wrote: Please explain this to me. You want to have a "spiritual experience"... besides being doped up all the time anyway?
I would hardly call using ayahuasa twice in my life as being doped up all the time.
zeuzzz wrote:I have DMT nearly all the time
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Post by Gord » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:56 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:I have DMT nearly all the time
:?
"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
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Post by Daedalus » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:58 am

Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:I have DMT nearly all the time
:?
"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
A REALLY powerful psychedelic drug... hypothesized to be one of the culprits in NDE's in its endogenous form.
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Daedalus wrote:
Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
zeuzzz wrote:I have DMT nearly all the time
:?
"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
A REALLY powerful psychedelic drug... hypothesized to be one of the culprits in NDE's in its endogenous form.
Ohhhhhh! Dimethyltryptamine? Yeah I really haven't kept up with my drug terminology. I'm probably still back in the 80s on that scene, baby.

In Canada, it is an indictable offence to attempt to acquire dimethyltryptamine but not an offence to possess it. Same with quaaaaaaaaluuuuuuuudes. :nuts:
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Gord wrote:
Daedalus wrote:
Gord wrote:
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zeuzzz wrote:I have DMT nearly all the time
:?
"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
A REALLY powerful psychedelic drug... hypothesized to be one of the culprits in NDE's in its endogenous form.
Ohhhhhh! Dimethyltryptamine? Yeah I really haven't kept up with my drug terminology. I'm probably still back in the 80s on that scene, baby.

In Canada, it is an indictable offence to attempt to acquire dimethyltryptamine but not an offence to possess it. Same with quaaaaaaaaluuuuuuuudes. :nuts:
:lol:

Well if you take enough DMT you can probably really start to believe that it appeared to you as if by magic.
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Daedalus wrote:
Gord wrote:"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
A REALLY powerful psychedelic drug... hypothesized to be one of the culprits in NDE's in its endogenous form.
Something I'd like to try, given the opportunity, and my scientific curiosity. But I don't go around soliciting on forums, nor hang with the 'right' crowd. Although there was one time... Sadly, it never came to pass. Opportunity knocks but once, as they say.

Here in Australia, they've now banned the sale of certain native trees that produce it in their bark. It's a shame, as a number of them are rare, and pretty, and the ridiculous sledgehammer law potentially makes gardeners into hardened criminal druglords.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:21 am

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...and:
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Major Malfunction wrote:
Daedalus wrote:
Gord wrote:"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
A REALLY powerful psychedelic drug... hypothesized to be one of the culprits in NDE's in its endogenous form.
Something I'd like to try, given the opportunity, and my scientific curiosity. But I don't go around soliciting on forums, nor hang with the 'right' crowd. Although there was one time... Sadly, it never came to pass. Opportunity knocks but once, as they say.

Here in Australia, they've now banned the sale of certain native trees that produce it in their bark. It's a shame, as a number of them are rare, and pretty, and the ridiculous sledgehammer law potentially makes gardeners into hardened criminal druglords.
I would count yourself lucky for missing out on that particular experience, although I also deplore ignorant anti-drug laws such as the ones you describe.

Beyond that... what Scrambles posted.
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Daedalus wrote:I also deplore ignorant anti-drug laws such as the ones you describe.
^This.
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scrmbldggs wrote:
Have you ever traveled, beyond all mere metaphors, to the Mountain of Shame and stayed for a thousand years? I do not recommend it.
I used to vacation there, until I had to move there permanently.
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Gord wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Have you ever traveled, beyond all mere metaphors, to the Mountain of Shame and stayed for a thousand years? I do not recommend it.
I used to vacation there, until I had to move there permanently.
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scrmbldggs wrote:HUGS!!
lol Now I feel ashamed for that! :P
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zeuzzz wrote:I'm quite mature, ...
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Gord wrote:
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zeuzzz wrote:I have DMT nearly all the time
:?
"DMT"? What's that, some kind of dementia?
DMT is a natural neurochemical found in the blood of all mammalian life. It is also one of the strongest, shortest acting and safest hallucinogens known to man. It's role in creating our everyday perception and reality is a fascinating ongoing area of scientific study.

It is involved in certain psychological and neurological states. As DMT is naturally produced in small amounts in the brains and other tissues of humans, and other mammals, some believe it plays a role in promoting the visual effects of natural dreaming, and also near-death experiences and other mystical states.

Western and Eastern mystical traditions are replete with descriptions of a blinding bright white light accompanying deep spiritual realization. This "enlightenment" usually is the result of a progression of consciousness through various levels of spiritual, psychological, and ethical development. All mystical traditions describe the process and its stages.

The pineal gland is unique in its solitary status within the brain. All other brain sites are paired, meaning that they have left and right counterparts; for example, there are left and right frontal lobes and left and right temporal lobes. As the only unpaired organ deep within the brain, the pineal gland remained an anatomical curiosity for nearly two thousand years. No one in the West had any idea what its function was.

The pineal gland of evolutionarily older animals, such as lizards and amphibians, is also called the "third" eye. Just like the two seeing eyes, the third eye possesses a lens, cornea, and retina. It is light-sensitive and helps regulate body temperature and skin coloration—two basic survival functions intimately related to environmental light. Melatonin, the primary pineal hormone, is present in primitive pineal glands.

As animals climbed the evolutionary ladder, the pineal moved inward, deeper into the brain, more hidden and removed from outside influences.

Not all these hypotheses are proven, mainly due to ethical concerns and anti-drug legislation making studying DMT illegal, but they derive from scientifically valid data and inferences. The pineal is very hard to test as it is in the centre of the brain, and the person would have to be alive to produce any DMT because it is absorbed and metabolized into the body nearly instantly.

The most general hypothesis is that the pineal gland produces psychedelic amounts of DMT at extraordinary times in our lives. In some of us, pineal DMT mediates the pivotal experiences of deep meditation, psychosis, and near-death experiences. As we die, the life-force/consciousness leaves the body through the pineal gland, releasing another flood of this psychedelic.

The pineal gland contains the necessary building blocks to make DMT. For example, it possesses the highest levels of serotonin anywhere in the body, and serotonin is a crucial precursor for pineal melatonin. The pineal also has the ability to convert serotonin to tryptamine, a critical step in DMT formation. The unique enzymes that convert serotonin, melatonin, or tryptamine into psychedelic compounds also are present in extraordinarily high concentrations in the pineal. These enzymes, the methyltransferases, attach a methyl group—that is, one carbon and three hydrogens—onto other molecules, thus methylating them. Simply methylate tryptamine twice, and we have di-methyl-tryptamine, or DMT. Because it possesses the high levels of the necessary enzymes and precursors, the pineal gland is the most reasonable place for DMT formation to occur.

Reference for above: Some of the above is from Strassmans book the Spirit Molecule, I am not sure which parts, but I copied a fair amount of it when I wrote this summary four years back.
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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:03 am

DMT does not provide an experience that you analyze, nothing so tidy goes on. What happens on DMT is that a legion of self transforming rainbow elfs comes to your house and smashes your front door in. The very mechanism of language and description undergoes some type of hyperdimensional inflation, and you are left appalled at how far into the bardo you have gone, you are left not even knowing what it is you know anymore.

It's extremely similar to many neurochemicals and is very closely related to serotonin and melatonin. It's replete throughout the plant kingdom in thousands of plants and is also found in certain genus of grass, mainly phalaris.

Mckenna sums it up quite well in this short 3 minute clip: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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You are copying and pasting from numerous online sources. Here's one:

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Ah, what's wrong with a little plagiarism, Pyrrho? It make him sound mo 'telligent.
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Hmm... remember my bet that Zeuzzz would fade away before he gets banned? I think I was wrong...
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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:22 pm

Pyrrho wrote:You are copying and pasting from numerous online sources. Here's one:

http://myayahuasca.diyadventurer.com/dm ... eal-gland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please do not continue to violate copyright in this manner.
Sorry, since I added this text to the description of a youtube video a while back I presumed it was my own words. But I've just realized a lot of it was probably copied from Strassmans book. Rick Strassman was the first person allowed legal right to study it's properties in a clinical setting. He had to end the research for his own sanity, as what people were reporting completely defied any sort of rational scientific explanation.

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Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:31 pm

Notice how my version excluded most of the woo though and only kept in the more empirical facts, it is kind of my own version.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:34 pm

Sorry, since I added this text to the description of a youtube video a while back I presumed it was my own words.
That's probably the best version of "I stole it, it's MINE!" I ever heard.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:57 pm

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Sorry, since I added this text to the description of a youtube video a while back I presumed it was my own words.
That's probably the best version of "I stole it, it's MINE!" I ever heard.
Lol. First year uni subject, ethics in science, among other things taught correct referencing. Even if you rewrite it all in your own words, but leave out the correct references, even some, that's still plagiarism.

The tutor set us an exercise to purposefully plagiarise a few paragraphs. I was particularly good at. He said, "We'll have to keep an eye on this one!"

But this isn't as rigorous as a scientific paper. As the rules state, a few paragraphs and a link is enough.

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by Poodle » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:01 pm

zeuzzz wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:You are copying and pasting from numerous online sources. Here's one:

http://myayahuasca.diyadventurer.com/dm ... eal-gland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please do not continue to violate copyright in this manner.
Sorry, since I added this text to the description of a youtube video a while back I presumed it was my own words. But I've just realized a lot of it was probably copied from Strassmans book. Rick Strassman was the first person allowed legal right to study it's properties in a clinical setting. He had to end the research for his own sanity, as what people were reporting completely defied any sort of rational scientific explanation.

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Poodle wrote: I'd suggest it was fairly normal.
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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:32 pm

Maybe a little clarification is in order. I knew when I copied it here from my video some of it was from Strassmans book. What are the rules on plagiarism here? I know that in science it is severely discouraged to the point of academic misconduct in journals (a sensible approach) yet in art plagiarism and using others ideas in new and innovative ways is strongly encouraged.

The wikipedia page gives a surprisingly good overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However, the chemistry he cites in the closing paragraphs would be next to impossible to say in any different way. They are simply the raw scientific facts of the matter. Trying to reword that myself would have been a perversion of IUPAC.
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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by Poodle » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:41 pm

Quotation marks and a citation would be a good start.

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by Pyrrho » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:55 pm

From the rules:
Copyright infringement. Users may post very brief excerpts of content from other websites, with a link to the online source. This should be no more than a short paragraph, accompanied by commentary.
Posting large extracts with small portions missing is not "fair use," especially when the source is not cited. Copying from a source that already violates a copyright isn't fair use either. Mr. Strassman owns the content and I am obliged to respect his rights.

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:08 pm

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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by zeuzzz » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:16 pm

Poodle wrote:Quotation marks and a citation would be a good start.
Yes I should've in retrospect.
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Re: JREF forum not allowing any new signups?

Post by zeuzzz » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:07 am

I just miss people like quarky, the moderator Myriad, dancing david, Tim Thompson, Ziigurat, and many other members that I had gotten to know as friends there so much :(
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