Everyone should carry a knife

Feel free to talk about anything and everything in this board.
User avatar
landrew
True Skeptic
Posts: 10677
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am

Everyone should carry a knife

Post by landrew » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:06 pm

But not for the reasons you may think...

Increasingly of late, packaging of items seem to be unopenable by hand. This may be due to increasing concern about theft, or it may be that plastics have evolved into higher strength and untearable formulations. My latest example is a packet of Mr. Noodle, which proved to be utterly impossible to open by hand. Another example was an energy bar, which had I tried to open it on a hiking trail, I'd have shredded it with my teeth for a long time before I got it open. This has been an increasing complaint for years, but it seems it's being ignored.

I confess to wrap rage, but am I the only grumpy old man complaining about this problem?

Last edited by landrew on Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 27115
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Location: sometimes

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:09 pm

Issit the plastic - or the glue/welding?



btw, I've seen a can opener used on those^ really tuff packages.
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
ElectricMonk
Has More Than 5K Posts
Posts: 5048
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:21 pm
Custom Title: The Baby-eating Bishop

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:35 pm

My knife for opening mail got Paul Hogan's approval.

psychiatry is a scam
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1593
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:23 am
Custom Title: eugenics never stopped

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:41 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:09 pm
Issit the plastic - or the glue/welding?



btw, I've seen a can opener used on those^ really tuff packages.
wrap rage link mentions ULTRASONIC WELDING !

snap off utility knife / box cutter always nice to have .
I also have a pair of scissors in my car

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 27115
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Location: sometimes

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:02 pm

Yup. I keep all kinds of useful things in there.


But utilizing a squirrel should work, too.
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
Gord
Obnoxious Weed
Posts: 34743
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:44 am
Custom Title: prostrate spurge
Location: Transcona

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gord » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:40 am

I use a nail file. A folding nail file, so it will sit in my pocket without tearing a hole in it.

Pretty sure I've mentioned this before....
"Knowledge grows through infinite timelessness" -- the random fictional Deepak Chopra quote site
"Imagine an ennobling of what could be" -- the New Age BS Generator site
"You are also taking my words out of context." -- Justin
"Nullius in verba" -- The Royal Society ["take nobody's word for it"]
#ANDAMOVIE
Is Trump in jail yet?

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:03 am

I have various knives stashed in various places. I have a 24" machete under the front seat of my car. As far as knives go, I'm covered.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
scrmbldggs
Real Skeptic
Posts: 27115
Joined: Sun May 20, 2012 7:55 am
Location: sometimes

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:08 am

Just make sure you never send that car through a metal detector. :oldman:
.
Lard, save me from your followers.

User avatar
fromthehills
True Skeptic
Posts: 10894
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:01 am
Location: Woostone

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by fromthehills » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:48 am

I got my first pocket knife when I was 5. Seems odd to me to not have a knife with me anywhere. I always have a multi tool, and a woodworking knife, and a larger, erm general purpose knife. Two flashlights, a pry tool, a lighter wrapped with gaffer tape, and then I have morning tea

User avatar
TJrandom
Has No Life
Posts: 11630
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Custom Title: Salt of the earth
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by TJrandom » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:35 am

It’s just age. You don’t need a knife - just a younger person nearby.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:09 am

I practice(d) with people I considered to be adequate in the use of edged weapons.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

KevinLevites
Poster
Posts: 184
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:20 pm

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by KevinLevites » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:25 pm

I'm an ex-paramedic and an outdoors person, and I always have at least one knife on me at all times.

I feel naked without one.

My mother (RIP) always carried a knife. She preferred a folding florist knife which she always used in the horse stable to cut open bedding bags, bales of hay, and so on.

I usually carry a swiss army knife with all the doodads, or a Leatherman tool, which is like a folding pair of pliers with a lot of different, folding blades and other tools.

I used a Leatherman on the ambulance to cut seat belts, open oxygen canisters, pick up used, dirty needles, cut tape, and so on.
shopping.jpeg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
landrew
True Skeptic
Posts: 10677
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by landrew » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:33 pm

KevinLevites wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:25 pm
I'm an ex-paramedic and an outdoors person, and I always have at least one knife on me at all times.

I feel naked without one.

My mother (RIP) always carried a knife. She preferred a folding florist knife which she always used in the horse stable to cut open bedding bags, bales of hay, and so on.

I usually carry a swiss army knife with all the doodads, or a Leatherman tool, which is like a folding pair of pliers with a lot of different, folding blades and other tools.

I used a Leatherman on the ambulance to cut seat belts, open oxygen canisters, pick up used, dirty needles, cut tape, and so on.shopping.jpeg
Leatherman makes a special multitool for paramedics called the Raptor.

My favorite was the Leatherman Charge, but they are very expensive and I was always worrying about breaking it or losing it. Now I have several cheaper ones which are almost as good.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

User avatar
TJrandom
Has No Life
Posts: 11630
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Custom Title: Salt of the earth
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by TJrandom » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:02 pm

Just a timely reminder for anyone who might visit the 2020 Olympics - in Japan you will be arrested for having a blade readily accessible (pocket, backpack, etc.), with the cutting edge longer than 6cm (2.7in.). And you do not have a right to refuse a search of yourself and possessions. Plus, if you don't sign the document acknowledging your guilt, you will be locked up for 23 days at a time until you do sign, or after several extensions, you go to trial, pay the fine, and are then deported. Also - double edged blades of any length are also illegal to possess.

Any legal blade (non-double edge) is acceptable to own and use if stored out of ready accessibility (in your luggage, in a taped closed box, in a toolbox, in a camping kit, in the trunk of a car, etc.) except when it is in actual use in an use-appropriate setting (camping, carving, food preparation, etc.).

Needless to say, use of a knife for self-defence is not permitted under any circumstance and will get you arrested.

KevinLevites
Poster
Posts: 184
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:20 pm

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by KevinLevites » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm

Knife laws are strange, and inconsistant.

I've known (and worked) with a few Sihiks, and as a part of their religion....they carry a knife called a kirpan.

I was exposed to the intricacies of knife fighting by a marine (who learned a lot of the finer points while stationed in the Phillipines), and a kirpan would not by my first choice as a self-defense weapon...but--due to the geometry of the blade--it would make grevious, devastating wounds that would be very difficult to treat, and survival without immediate access to a level-one trauma center is unlikely after an assault with this kind of a blade.

Still....they are allowed to carry these blades with them on aircraft when flying commercially.

I worked on the ambulance with a Sihik exchange student (medical school), and I took his kirpan from him while we were extricating a drunk driver who was tangled up in a nasty car wreck....and used it as a tool to cut seatbelts and pry away some of the smaller wreckage that was pinning one of his arms.

This started a friendly argument about treating other peoples' religious items with respect, and I slapped him down by asking him "....what could be more sacred than saving a human life? I've used holy water from a baptismal font to rinse acid off of someone's face once."

He laughed, clapped me on the shoulder, and he gave me a kirpan as a gift when he left for India.

User avatar
fromthehills
True Skeptic
Posts: 10894
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:01 am
Location: Woostone

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by fromthehills » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:43 pm

KevinLevites wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:25 pm
I'm an ex-paramedic and an outdoors person, and I always have at least one knife on me at all times.

I feel naked without one.

My mother (RIP) always carried a knife. She preferred a folding florist knife which she always used in the horse stable to cut open bedding bags, bales of hay, and so on.

I usually carry a swiss army knife with all the doodads, or a Leatherman tool, which is like a folding pair of pliers with a lot of different, folding blades and other tools.

I used a Leatherman on the ambulance to cut seat belts, open oxygen canisters, pick up used, dirty needles, cut tape, and so on.shopping.jpeg


I bought my EMT friend the Raptor. She loves it

KevinLevites
Poster
Posts: 184
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:20 pm

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by KevinLevites » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:13 pm

I'm sure.

I felt naked if I arrived on shift, and found that I left my Leatherman at home. I used it for everything.

User avatar
landrew
True Skeptic
Posts: 10677
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by landrew » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:32 pm

Although the quality argument doesn't always hold up, I always prefer the American made knives to those made in China. I don't have a grudge against Chinese manufacturers, because they are simply responding to what the market demands of them. They often create value to price ratios that are unrivaled anywhere else in the world. When you see "Chinese junk" in the market, it's often because someone outside China had put out a bid for something at the "lowest possible price" and being such a large country, someone will deliver it at an incredibly low price. That's why I avoid such "bargains."

Domestic manufacturers work under a different dynamic. Mostly, it's about quality and not price, but that doesn't stop some from trying to achieve both by having their products made in China under tight specs. Some of these are quite good, but they lack the appeal of something made domestically, and with the element of pride that can't be overlooked. My display case contains mostly American, Swiss and German made knives and multitools. The other stuff is just stored away in boxes.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:50 pm

I used to play darts with one of these:

Image
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 12855
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Lance Kennedy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:58 pm

Recently I went to a local garden store, needing an implement to cut Argentine pampas grass, which is a pest here. It grows to 3 meters high (10 feet) in dense clumps, and is tough. I was sold a Japanese made short hand scythe, with a serrated blade. It is unbelievable. It slices through the pampas like crazy, and even cuts our local flax, so tough it was the top choice for making rope. The blade is stainless and never needs sharpening. It was also cheap. If I could get a decent knife made from the same stuff, I would jump at the chance.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:21 pm

Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 12855
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Lance Kennedy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:40 pm

Very similar, Gawd, but a different brand. Probably some good healthy competition to keep the price down.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:45 pm

What brand? Enquiring minds want to know.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 12855
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Lance Kennedy » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:07 am

Niwashi

User avatar
landrew
True Skeptic
Posts: 10677
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by landrew » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:21 am

Every type has it's advantages. Mild steel is easier to sharpen, but hardened steel lasts longer.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:49 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:07 am
Niwashi
Well, they make knives. https://sustaintrust.org.nz/products/ni ... rden-knife
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
Lance Kennedy
Has No Life
Posts: 12855
Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm
Custom Title: Super Skeptic
Location: Paradise, New Zealand

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Lance Kennedy » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:20 am

That is true, Gawd. But that knife is more a gardeners trowel than a real knife. Niwashi in Japanese actually means 'garden'. The truth is that I have enough knives, and another one would be redundant. Just that I am very impressed with their steel.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:23 am

I used to visit a swordsmith in Japan. I stood outside his forge one day for two hours. He appreciated the respect.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
fromthehills
True Skeptic
Posts: 10894
Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:01 am
Location: Woostone

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by fromthehills » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:06 pm

I gave my stepson a handforged Japanese knife for his 19th birthday on Monday. I used to carry it all the time, but haven’t for a few years, a bit too fancy for what I run knives through.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:55 pm

You can usually tell they've been forged when you notice your name is spelled wrong on the check.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
TJrandom
Has No Life
Posts: 11630
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Custom Title: Salt of the earth
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by TJrandom » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:23 pm

:lol:

User avatar
Austin Harper
Has More Than 5K Posts
Posts: 5501
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:22 pm
Custom Title: Rock Chalk Astrohawk
Location: Detroit

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Austin Harper » Fri May 10, 2019 4:32 pm

Wait, I need to carry a knife at all time so I can open packages at my house?
Dum ratio nos ducet, valebimus et multa bene geremus.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Real Skeptic
Posts: 23526
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:11 am
Custom Title: Deadly but evil.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri May 10, 2019 4:34 pm

For safety reasons you should open packages outside your house. One of them might contain gorgon.
Chachacha wrote:"Oh, thweet mythtery of wife, at waft I've found you!"
WWII Resources. Primary sources.
The Myths of Pearl Harbor. Demythologizing the attack.
Hyperwar. Hypertext history of the Second World War.
The greatest place to work in the entire United States.

User avatar
landrew
True Skeptic
Posts: 10677
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by landrew » Fri May 10, 2019 4:53 pm

Austin Harper wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 4:32 pm
Wait, I need to carry a knife at all time so I can open packages at my house?
Or scissors. More and more of the plastics used in packaging are the untearable kind.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.

User avatar
TJrandom
Has No Life
Posts: 11630
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:55 am
Custom Title: Salt of the earth
Location: Pacific coast outside of Tokyo bay.

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by TJrandom » Fri May 10, 2019 7:48 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 4:34 pm
For safety reasons you should open packages outside your house. One of them might contain gorgon.
Yer s'posed to use C4 - a controlled opening. ;)

User avatar
landrew
True Skeptic
Posts: 10677
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:51 am

Re: Everyone should carry a knife

Post by landrew » Sat May 11, 2019 3:33 pm

If they're so paranoid about theft from packaging, why don't they use the RFID tags that they've been talking about for ages? AIR, Walmart announced about 15 years ago that it required all its suppliers to have RFID tags in their products so they could track every item in the store. They don't seem to be using them anymore because I never hear the sensors going off at the doors, and they announced they are laying off all the greeters, so there won't even be anyone watching the door.
The job of a skeptic is to investigate the unexplained; not to explain the uninvestigated.