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Post by Gord » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:10 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
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...liberal heroes like Assange, Manning, and Snowden....
Dafuq? :|
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Post by Tom Palven » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:55 pm

Gord wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:10 pm
Tom Palven wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:55 am
...liberal heroes like Assange, Manning, and Snowden....
Dafuq? :|
Dafuq you think?

You figure that the Anything to Say? monument to courage was funded and built by neoconservatives like "Matthew Ellard?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anything_to_Say%3F
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:15 am

Tom Palven wrote:You figure that the Anything to Say? monument to courage was funded and built by neoconservatives like "Matthew Ellard?"
Tom Plaven? Your senility is letting you down again. Australia isn't in the USA and Australia didn't have USA neoconservatives as we are a socialist country :lol: :lol: :lol:

You really should not post on the forum after sundown as you always get confused and disorientated .
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:29 am

Tom Palven wrote:Mr. Ellard, no matter how much he bleats that he's a liberal, is a neoconservative.
I am a member of the "Australian Labor Party", which is socialist The "Liberal Party" in Australia is conservative compared to the ALP. :D :D

Tom Palven is a Trump fan, from Stormfront White Action Power and that is why he and the holocaust deniers were both simultaneously claiming the Nazis were socialist on our forum. :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Anti Holocaust Denial Forum / Nazis were left-wing!" Arguments from far-right America
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Tom Palven wrote:As leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party Adolph Hitler was an avowed socialist and also a warmonger.....
Tom Palven wrote:I'm not impressed. Hitler called himself a socialist, too, and was the leader of the Natiional Socialist Labor Party,
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 40#p671703
Tom Palven wrote:Hitler was leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party who talked about the generous German welfare system in a speech I linked to, but was still a warmonger.
You then linked to a video by another holocaust denier and forgot that Hitler never had a health system and was speaking in German. :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... st#p671803

Shall we now read the historians who fight Holocaust Denial and their opinion about Tom Palven? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:16 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:29 am
Tom Palven wrote:Mr. Ellard, no matter how much he bleats that he's a liberal, is a neoconservative.
I am a member of the "Australian Labor Party", which is socialist


I don't care if are actually the Chairman of the National Socialist Australian Workers Party, anyone who loves Clapper and Brennan and hates Assange, Manning, and Snowden is a conservative, not a liberal, in mvho.

Why not man up and admit it, "Mr. Ellard," sir?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:31 am

Tom Palven wrote: I don't care if are actually the Chairman of the National Socialist Australian Workers Party, anyone who loves Clapper and Brennan and hates Assange, Manning, and Snowden is a conservative, not a liberal, in mvho.
..........but you opinion is worthless. You spam holocaust denier videos and extreme right wing Fox New propaganda on our forum. You really should go back to Stormfront White Action Power to be with your friends. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:15 am

Tom Palven wrote:anyone who loves Clapper and Brennan
Where do I say I love James Clapper and John Brennan?

Why do you lie all the time, Tom Plaven?
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Post by Tom Palven » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:15 am
Tom Palven wrote:anyone who loves Clapper and Brennan
Where do I say I love James Clapper and John Brennan?

Why do you lie all the time, Tom Plaven?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

If I remember correctly, your exact words were "Every night I dream of a menage a troi with John Brennan and James Clapper."
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Re: Maria Butina's Crime

Post by Gord » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:37 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:55 pm
Gord wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:10 pm
Tom Palven wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:55 am
...liberal heroes like Assange, Manning, and Snowden....
Dafuq? :|
Dafuq you think?

You figure that the Anything to Say? monument to courage was funded and built by neoconservatives like "Matthew Ellard?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anything_to_Say%3F
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:24 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Where do I say I love James Clapper and John Brennan?
Why do you lie all the time, Tom Plaven?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:If I remember correctly, your exact words were "Every night I dream of a menage a troi with John Brennan and James Clapper."
OK you admit you are lying again. :lol: :lol: :lol:

So far in 2018 alone, you are the idiot who thinks The Chinese communists threw out the Chinese emperor (wrong by 50 years), That Pakistan's Taliban threw out the Soviets ( wrong by 7 years), The the French Vichy government was government of Afghanistan ( just insane crap), the the Afghanistan government was a German 4th Reich government, ( more insane crap) That the USA intelligence agencies are the "Deep State" trying to overthrow Trump because Trump appointed their directors, (100% batshit crazy) The the 1961 USA military industrial complex forced the war in Afghanistan to sell Russian equipment to the Afghanistan military who doesn't use USA equipment ( simply insane) That Canadian police "accosted" Meng Hongwei in China when China arrested him. (wrong country and wrong person)

Any other insane conspiracies from Stormfront or Fox News that you want to spam on our forum? :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:"Every night I dream of a menage a troi"
So much for your home schooling. The correct expression is "menage a trois". "Manage a Troi" was an episode of Star Trek, you complete idiot. :lol: :lol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9nage_%C3%A0_Troi

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:33 am

Ha, ha.......funny summation. Any normal person...........would stop and think?
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Post by Tom Palven » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:44 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:24 am
So much for your home schooling. :lol: :lol:
It's a matter of public record that I went to Demarest elementary school in Bloomfield, NJ, K-6, Bloomfield Jr. High, and then graduated from Bloomfield High and Cornell U.

Why do you make up this BS, "Mr. Ellard," sir?

Are you ASIS folks truly compulsive liars, lying even when the truth fits best?

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Post by Gord » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:04 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
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"Manage a Troi" was an episode of Star Trek
A friend of mine really dug her. He probably had that dream.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:27 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:44 am
Matthew Ellard wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:24 am
So much for your home schooling. :lol: :lol:
It's a matter of public record that I went to Demarest elementary school in Bloomfield, NJ, K-6, Bloomfield Jr. High, and then graduated from Bloomfield High and Cornell U.

Why do you make up this BS, "Mr. Ellard," sir?

Are you ASIS folks truly compulsive liars, lying even when the truth fits best?

ah....jeeze. AN OBVIOUS JOKE taken as real.........ironically, by a joke. That much out of touch........amusing. I don't know why I was never and still am not attracted to Troi as I generally am to brunettes.................................google. Yep: she looks too much like my two sisters. Its an only just now recognized anti-incest thing.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:28 pm

..........non joking: doesn't say much for the Bloomfield Public educational system.......................
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
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..........non joking: doesn't say much for the Bloomfield Public educational system.......................

Pray tell, where did you go to school Bobo?
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Tom Palven wrote:It's a matter of public record that I went to Demarest elementary school in Bloomfield, NJ, K-6, Bloomfield Jr. High,
Did you work in the garden there as a horticulturist? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:47 am

Tom Palven wrote: Are you ASIS folks truly compulsive liars, lying even when the truth fits best?
If i were an ASIS foreign intelligent service agent, wouldn't I be overseas, rather than in Australia, on the internet?

You really don't quite "get simple things" do you?

Is that common wit all you Stormfront propaganda spammers?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:51 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:54 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:28 pm
..........non joking: doesn't say much for the Bloomfield Public educational system.......................

Pray tell, where did you go to school Bobo?
Ummmm.....personal info? ..... Why???? but anyway: International Jesuit School in Tokyo Japan ((Grammar School but a real character builder)), then College in Sacramento, the Advanced Degree in Sacramento. Also, I always add one year of Aviation courtesy of USAF and after AF, a near degree in Accounting.

But My education came from: just looking and being mostly anti-social. Learning through adversity.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:25 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:47 am
Tom Palven wrote: Are you ASIS folks truly compulsive liars, lying even when the truth fits best?
If i were an ASIS foreign intelligent service agent, wouldn't I be overseas, rather than in Australia, on the internet?


You said in the Killing Hope thread in Book Reviews/Discussion that you were in Moscow watching the roll out of the new NCO academies, "Mr. Ellard," sir.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:51 am
Tom Palven wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:54 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:28 pm
..........non joking: doesn't say much for the Bloomfield Public educational system.......................

Pray tell, where did you go to school Bobo?
Ummmm.....personal info? ..... Why???? but anyway: International Jesuit School in Tokyo Japan ((Grammar School but a real character builder)), then College in Sacramento, the Advanced Degree in Sacramento. Also, I always add one year of Aviation courtesy of USAF and after AF, a near degree in Accounting.

But My education came from: just looking and being mostly anti-social. Learning through adversity.
thanks for the thanks........................but.....................

You should have noticed I asked you why you asked? A bit of reticence in answering the question BECAUSE it calls for ab hominem information that is the basis for a very famous oft quoted mostly violated logical fallacy. "In my life" however I have found answering direct questions is a check on my own hubris...........so I tend to do so. Even if not publicly as I approached here, then in my own mind, for MYSELF.

Both you and Matt are a bit fuzzy in your thinking. I wonder how much of that is caused by your refusal to answer direct questions? Now, I don't KNOW this is true, I just suspect it, using my own experience as a guide. Another reason I answer direct questions is that it gets me to think about things not thought about for awhile. sometimes, my answers surprise myself. In this case, my last "notion" about my education was that I spent too much time in school. Sequestered. My schools were "second tier" at best, but the education was still excellent because its as much about what you put into it yourself. Harvard or Sac State: Shakespeare reads the same. Should have had "more fun." and answering your question, I did almost post, but now will, that it is LIFE EXPERIENCE, life outside of school, that has provided me with more education than school ever did. Ha, ha.........and once again, I think I should have had more fun. Even "in life" still too much sequestered. What is time spent in front of a computer but sequestered? Even in school, the various trainings I have experienced, I "maxed" them out. Friends and peers bragging about taking the minimum course work to pass.....while I would max the load out even requiring special permission for the load taken on. Why?.......THATS why I was in school: to LEARN. Why not learn as much as I could???? It is one benefit of going to a commuter school: fewer parties......but I worked my way through school....30 hours a week as a Postal Carrier. Fighting off the prostitutes and drug dealers and traffic/bad drivers teaching me as much as Clinical Psychology ever did..........

Direct questions.........actually the answers to them. Always a tonic. I thought of going on to the "licenses" I have obtained over time: real estate broker, nursing home administrator, multi-engine jet aircraft, instrument rating, SCUBA, First Aide..........they all add up, something going on...but I'll spare the forum this verbiage in a vacuum. I will say an impactful experience in the Nursing Home training is spending a day with the local County Coroner and going through about 5-6 autopsies. The human body.........skin peals off just like a latex mask in a Mission Impossible movie. Parts is parts. Hey.....I was right, thinking about stuff, provide new, if not just recycled ideas but for the first time in a long time, I'm actually thinking: I should have gotten MORE education. Why is that.........I wonder?

Note I made no comment on your education, no judgment. Just a follow on from recognizing you took Matts joke as a rebuke. My comment was a best guess at what his comment might mean if it were not a joke. A guess on an alternative hypothetical: quite removed from anything but banter?

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Tom Palven wrote:You said in the Killing Hope thread in Book Reviews/Discussion that you were in Moscow watching the roll out of the new NCO academies, "Mr. Ellard," sir.
That's right Tom Palven. As everyone knows on this forum my business partners, in my old firm, were Russians. And.........? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: I wonder how much of that is caused by your refusal to answer direct questions?
That was because Tom Palven was pretending to be an economist on another forum, when he actually studied forestry management for horticulture. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tom Palven wrote:" I was disappointed the book, finding it to be very outdated. Although it was not required reading in my economics courses at Cornell,"
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Hey Tom Palven? You denied Adam Smith, was an economist. Tell us exactly what Adam Smith's invisible hand, in economics, is? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:22 pm

Well, from other threads................TOM: you do display an OBVIOUS lack of appreciation of humor. "If I were you".......I'd think about that for awhile. How might your appreciation of things change if you picked up on that vibe?................OR...........DO I over apply the concept as a defense mechanism? as either could be true: which philosophy/idea/notion/approach/device/plan should I adopt regardless because of the beneficial outcome allowed?

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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:48 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:47 am
Tom Palven wrote: Are you ASIS folks truly compulsive liars, lying even when the truth fits best?
If i were an ASIS foreign intelligent service agent, wouldn't I be overseas, rather than in Australia, on the internet?

You really don't quite "get simple things" do you?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Tom Palven wrote:
You said in the Killing Hope thread in Book Reviews/Discussion that you were in Moscow watching the roll out of the new NCO academies, "Mr. Ellard," sir.

That's right Tom Palven. As everyone knows on this forum my business partners, in my old firm, were Russians.


You were either overseas, or you weren't overseas.

You can't have it both ways, "Mr. Ellard," sir.


Actually, "Matthew Ellard, sir" is so verbose and so inconsistent that I'm starting to think that it's actually two or three ASIS employees sitting at their desks with their rights hands not knowing what their left hands are doing with their dicks during regular office hours.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


See, bobbo, how my sense of humor has taken a great leap forward?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:06 pm

Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:48 am


You were either overseas, or you weren't overseas.
Yea, verily except in the vast wasteland of ideas and memory. Were vs ARE. Two different domains.


Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:48 am
You can't have it both ways, "Mr. Ellard," sir.
Most people will try...but "time" adds a dimension you may not have recognized.

Tom Palven wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:48 am
Actually, "Matthew Ellard, sir" is so verbose and so inconsistent that I'm starting to think that it's actually two or three ASIS employees sitting at their desks with their rights hands not knowing what their left hands are doing with their dicks during regular office hours.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Verbose is a positive value until it slips into off topic or repetitive. I perceive Matts responses as "painfully" consistent. You may be using this to avoid the consequences??


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See, bobbo, how my sense of humor has taken a great leap forward?
I did notice your use of the term. I took it as sarcasm which can be humorous, or just negative. It depends on context and what else is said? Perhaps if you were more verbose?

But congrats. Seeing a fallow field provides an opportunity if water and will persists.
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Tom Palven is an idiot 3

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:18 am

Tom Palven wrote: You said in the Killing Hope thread in Book Reviews/Discussion that you were in Moscow watching the roll out of the new NCO academies, "Mr. Ellard," sir.
Matthew Ellard wrote:That's right Tom Palven. As everyone knows on this forum my business partners, in my old firm, were Russians.
Tom Palven wrote:You were either overseas, or you weren't overseas. You can't have it both ways, "Mr. Ellard," sir.
Yes Tom Palven. Moscow is overseas. That was in 2014, four years ago, when I wasn't teasing you from Australia. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tom Palven wrote: Actually, "Matthew Ellard, sir" is so verbose and so inconsistent that I'm starting to think that it's actually two or three ASIS employees
So you think the Australian government pays three intelligence officers to post on the skeptic society forum, to keep tabs on yourself, a 75 year old senile, forest ranger, who thinks the WWII Vichy french government, governs modern Afghanistan?

Have you worked out why everyone thinks you are retarded yet? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tom Palven is an idiot 3

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:31 am

"Last edited by Tom Palven on Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:32 am, edited 6 times in total."

Well......... someone was very anxious at 6am on boxing day. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: