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Post by Bart Stewart » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:01 am

I just took a loooong look into the conspiracy theory Twilight Zone, in this case as it pertains to the Las Vegas massacre. This might be the longest nonfiction piece I've ever written, so bookmark it if you don't have time for it now. I hope you can check it out.

http://www.bartstewart.com/2017/10/cons ... s-tragedy/

Michael Shermer said, human beings do conspire, all that's important is the quality of the evidence that a certain conspiracy happened. The conspiracy theories that flood the internet these days are so intellectually dead it is terrifying to realize that multiple millions of your fellow citizens accept them.

It's not funny anymore. This mentality, or lack thereof, will clearly continue to metastasize.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:28 am

I immediately stop reading anything referencing Alex Jones.

Why haven't you?
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Post by Tom Palven » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:56 pm

Bart Stewart wrote:I just took a loooong look into the conspiracy theory Twilight Zone, in this case as it pertains to the Las Vegas massacre. This might be the longest nonfiction piece I've ever written, so bookmark it if you don't have time for it now. I hope you can check it out.

http://www.bartstewart.com/2017/10/cons ... s-tragedy/

Michael Shermer said, human beings do conspire, all that's important is the quality of the evidence that a certain conspiracy happened. The conspiracy theories that flood the internet these days are so intellectually dead it is terrifying to realize that multiple millions of your fellow citizens accept them.

It's not funny anymore. This mentality, or lack thereof, will clearly continue to metastasize.
You've told us that there is conspiracy drivel and fake news, which we already know, but you haven't stated what you propose doing about it.

Do you envision a government watchdog agency to police the news media fining and/or imprisoning purveyors of news it finds damnable, as is happening in Egypt right now?

We already have the Associated Press which has a cozy relationship with the MSM that distributes press releases from public relations offices in the Sate Dept., Defense Dept., Treasury Dept., and so on in exchange for allegedly inside information from unnamed and named sources, and calls it news.

A government agency guarding the news is like the old fox guarding the hen house expression. No matter how "not funny" and "terrifying" the conspiracy theorists may be, a government deciding what is newsworthy is even more terrifying, which is why free speech and a free press were listed first in the Bill of Rights.

As Brendan O'Neill, editor of Spiked, said last Friday:

That neither the left nor the right understands freedom of speech was made painfully clear this week. From the right we had the Tory minister of universities, Jo Johnson, telling universities they would be blacklisted if they didn’t guarantee free speech. Irony doesn’t cover it. Freedom on campus cannot be enforced (certainly not by a government that pressures unis to ban radical Islamists). It must be argued for, nurtured, won. And the response from the left was to say there’s no problem. It’s a fantasy free speech is under threat. Students are just ‘protesting’ against ‘intolerance’ and ‘threats’, they say, cranking the euphemisms for censorship up to 11. We need a new free-speech movement, one that goes beyond left and right and understands that the right to think and speak as we see fit is the foundation of a civilised society. spiked is taking this argument transatlantic, with our Unsafe Space Tour in the US and our Free Speech University Rankings in the UK, which form the basis of much of the British discussion about campus illiberalism today. Want to get involved? Drop my deputy Tom Slater a line: tom.slater@spiked-online.com
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Post by gorgeous » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:08 pm

the timeline the police gave the public wasn't correct....the hotel said the timeline was different...there are lots of contradictions and unexplained events that happened...
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:23 pm

gorgeous wrote:the timeline the police gave the public wasn't correct....the hotel said the timeline was different...there are lots of contradictions and unexplained events that happened...
Yes.................. so what? Conspiracies most likely when all the stories match, all details provided.

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Post by Poodle » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:38 pm

I am completely convinced that conspirancy theories are so widely accepted because they're intellectually unchallenging.

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Post by gorgeous » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:09 pm

nope... because they happen and some are aware...
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G: Of course they happen. And for all the same reasons: some don't.

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Poodle wrote:I am completely convinced that conspirancy theories are so widely accepted because they're intellectually unchallenging.
Same with religion, "I won't challenge your beliefs if you don't challenge mine." Tiny minds struggling with tinier problems.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I immediately stop reading anything referencing Alex Jones.
Why haven't you?
Because he has a massive following (sad to say) and I don't think ignoring him is the answer.
If we continue pointing out how utterly fatuous his positions are, as I did here, it may peel away at least some of that support.

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Tom Palven wrote:
Bart Stewart wrote:I just took a loooong look into the conspiracy theory Twilight Zone, in this case as it pertains to the Las Vegas massacre. This might be the longest nonfiction piece I've ever written, so bookmark it if you don't have time for it now. I hope you can check it out.

http://www.bartstewart.com/2017/10/cons ... s-tragedy/
You've told us that there is conspiracy drivel and fake news, which we already know, but you haven't stated what you propose doing about it.

Do you envision a government watchdog agency to police the news media fining and/or imprisoning purveyors of news it finds damnable, as is happening in Egypt right now?
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Well, for cryin' out loud, no I don't want the government to regulate speech! Was there anything in that blog indicating that?

I just want these poisonous crumbs exposed, and that is what I tried to do, in my humble way. Too many people just shrug them off, and that is why they are thriving. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I know all about the lack of free speech on campuses, but part of it is simply the massive tsunami of insidious crap we are currently contending with from the Trumpie right. You are correct that censorship is not the answer.

Not long after the Charlottesville calamity, we had an "alt right" group try to stage a so-called free speech rally on Boston Common. The rally was held, as a matter of fact. And the tiny handful of white supremacists and assorted reactionaries who showed up were outnumbered by about 40,000 counter-protesters. It all ended peacefully. Some of the counter-protesters actually escorted the right-wingers safely out of the area!

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:18 am

Tom Palven wrote: You've told us that there is conspiracy drivel and fake news, which we already know, but you haven't stated what you propose doing about it.
This is an odd post. Newspapers, television, journals, social media and mere gossip, always have and always will contain fake new stories, or not mention news that is important. ( The old British D-Notice restrictions)

It is not up to the individual user to force honesty on all media but rather use academic research rules, such as a citation regime and critical thinking, to determine what is the most probable truth.

If an individual news supplier slanders someone or an organisation, there is a remedy in the courts.

If an individual news supplier makes outrageous unsubstantiated claims, any other member of the public has a right to criticise that news supplier, however, what is the point in criticising "The National Enquirer" if it is already known to be total crap?

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Post by Phoenix76 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:04 am

Just because an article references somebody you don't like, perhaps it is rather childish to say "I won't read that". This Alex Jones was certainly mentioned but in no way condoned.

Anyway, I've read another conspiracy blog regarding Vegas and yes this one had 15 reasons or questions to answer which would show that Vegas was fake news. They did have to admit that real people actually were killed or wounded.

I have a different outlook and raise a couple of questions about the rifle used, the AK5. Yes he had a bump butt attached to it so that it acted as an automatic weapon. When I first heard the news reports here in Australia, you could hear the gunfire. I said straight up that it was like machine gun fire. That fact that this was the modified weapon used might also explain why people thought they heard multiple shooters and the fact that there would be echos caused by the various buildings.

But my other problem with this weapon is that its effective range, especially from the height of the shooter, would not be as deadly as what we are told happened with casualties. And as for the jet fuel tanks at the nearby airport, well they weren't penetrated but they were dented. With the said weapon, I find it very strange that there was even a dent in the tanks.

Just think about it. A medium velocity rifle, 30 somethings floors up, the natural drop in the trajectory, natural drift. I guess the fact that he had converted it to automatic would help. We don't know how much ammo he used, but over 10 minutes he certainly could have sighted in his targets. But to our knowledge, he was not trained in weaponry or ballistics, so what he is supposed to have done seems even more surprising. Perhaps he had a larger calibre rifle as well. It was reported that he had numerous weapons, but the only one spoken of was the AK5.

Hmm, food for thought.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I immediately stop reading anything referencing Alex Jones.
Why haven't you?
Because he has a massive following (sad to say) and I don't think ignoring him is the answer.
If we continue pointing out how utterly fatuous his positions are, as I did here, it may peel away at least some of that support.
0.0001% maybe. The people who can sit through even one session of Jonesisms aren't going to be swayed by injections of reality.
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Phoenix76 wrote:Just because an article references somebody you don't like, perhaps it is rather childish to say "I won't read that". This Alex Jones was certainly mentioned but in no way condoned.

Anyway, I've read another conspiracy blog regarding Vegas and yes this one had 15 reasons or questions to answer which would show that Vegas was fake news. They did have to admit that real people actually were killed or wounded.

I have a different outlook and raise a couple of questions about the rifle used, the AK5. Yes he had a bump butt attached to it so that it acted as an automatic weapon. When I first heard the news reports here in Australia, you could hear the gunfire. I said straight up that it was like machine gun fire. That fact that this was the modified weapon used might also explain why people thought they heard multiple shooters and the fact that there would be echos caused by the various buildings.

But my other problem with this weapon is that its effective range, especially from the height of the shooter, would not be as deadly as what we are told happened with casualties. And as for the jet fuel tanks at the nearby airport, well they weren't penetrated but they were dented. With the said weapon, I find it very strange that there was even a dent in the tanks.

Just think about it. A medium velocity rifle, 30 somethings floors up, the natural drop in the trajectory, natural drift. I guess the fact that he had converted it to automatic would help. We don't know how much ammo he used, but over 10 minutes he certainly could have sighted in his targets. But to our knowledge, he was not trained in weaponry or ballistics, so what he is supposed to have done seems even more surprising. Perhaps he had a larger calibre rifle as well. It was reported that he had numerous weapons, but the only one spoken of was the AK5.

Hmm, food for thought.
I'm up to my ass in alligators here in Florida, Phoenix76, arguing issues about freethought and humanism and war and peace, and I don't want to get involved with this Las Vegas event, but want to mention that I have great respect for Debbie Lusignan who has questions about it that you may wish to hear:
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Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:46 pm

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I immediately stop reading anything referencing Alex Jones.
Why haven't you?
Because he has a massive following (sad to say) and I don't think ignoring him is the answer.
If we continue pointing out how utterly fatuous his positions are, as I did here, it may peel away at least some of that support.
1. Define massive. IE: how many of what? Radio Listeners I suppose....twitter "followers" I can assume?

2. Define following. IE: after how many of what ==> what do they do with this info? I assume vote for Trump, wait for the spaceship to come, tune into the next show? .................... what? What do they do? ie: What is the practical consequence of people wasting their time like this. Is it any different than Nascar or being a Trekkie???? ((Not having listened to Alex for more than 5 seconds......I assume they go out and buy another gun?))

Here's the deal with FRINGE IDEAS: Ignore them or you are fringe yourself. Protip: analyse the two question above and find out if there is some subgroup that is actually doing anything.
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Tom Palven wrote:
I'm up to my ass in alligators here in Florida, Phoenix76, arguing issues about freethought and humanism and war and peace, and I don't want to get involved with this Las Vegas event, but want to mention that I have great respect for Debbie Lusignan who has questions about it that you may wish to hear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlfkiKqDS8
Thanks for the link Tom, but I certainly don't have the patience to listen to this Debbie. I watched a little but she just waffles on without saying much.

My post was just something that interested me as an ex-serviceman. The whole ballistic thing doesn't make much sense. Don't know if we will ever see the truth of it. Don't know how good your authorities are at telling people the truth once they have worked it out. Many, many more questions than answers.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: 1. Define massive. IE: how many of what? Radio Listeners I suppose....twitter "followers" I can assume?

2. Define following. IE: after how many of what ==> what do they do with this info? I assume vote for Trump, wait for the spaceship to come, tune into the next show? .................... what? What do they do? ie: What is the practical consequence of people wasting their time like this. Is it any different than Nascar or being a Trekkie???? ((Not having listened to Alex for more than 5 seconds......I assume they go out and buy another gun?))
Define massive? He is a household name nationally. He has had a national radio broadcast for decades, and is now all over social media. He is a friend of the president of the United States.

Define following? What do they do? Click here . . .
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... cial-media
This kind of thing happened to the families of the Sandy Hook massacre victims, too, and many others.
Jones is certainly not the only one like this, but he is the biggest. Ignoring him enables him. I don't dedicate my life to countering this clod, but I do believe he is dangerous. This conspiracy mania is a big part of what drives our current extremist politics.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:03 am

Tom Palven wrote: Debbie Lusignan who has questions about it that you may wish to hear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlfkiKqDS8
Debbie Lusignan claims Los Vegas was "staged rigged" in her next video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfdUR0JSnXM

Debbie believes all the evidence is a "mere diversion"

Debbie doesn't think anyone can move 21 guns into a hotel in three days

Debbie looked at all the videos and didn't see anyone fall over as they were shot so it can't be true.

Debbie didn't see any blood in any videos, so it can't be true

Debbie says any later video that did show blood was "obviously leaked on purpose by the people who staged it"

Debbie says you can tell authorities are lying because they are not asking who staged rigged the massacre.

Debbie says everyone was funneled to emergency exists so there was no one at other areas to witness the stage rigging.

Debbie says no ambulances were there and all the wounded were carried in pick-up trucks

Debbie says all media is controlled by the people who staged the massacre.

Debbie says people ran to exits before any shooting can be heard on a video she watched

If you watch Debbie it is quite obvious she is drunk as a skunk and slurring her words and fumbling with her computer.


Tom. Please don't post crap like this again.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:11 am

I just looked her up. Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:I just looked her up. Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
I put her in the same boat with you, Matt.

In that I have respect for you, too. :D
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Bart Stewart wrote: Define massive? He is a household name nationally. He has had a national radio broadcast for decades, and is now all over social media. He is a friend of the president of the United States.
Then the NUMBERS should be readily available. Your statements are conclusionary statements and not objective, quantified, or responsive at all. Now.......he's NO household name in my household or anyone else I know. I've "heard" of him...........as a nutcase of ridiculed unimportance....ie: even worse than Rush Linbaugh. I can accept that he is very well known and influential among a very small subset of the population, hence the very question asked and unanswered.
Bart Stewart wrote: Define following? What do they do? Click here . . .
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... cial-media
This kind of thing happened to the families of the Sandy Hook massacre victims, too, and many others.
Jones is certainly not the only one like this, but he is the biggest. Ignoring him enables him. I don't dedicate my life to countering this clod, but I do believe he is dangerous. This conspiracy mania is a big part of what drives our current extremist politics.
Like a jumbo shrimp? Reread your first response just above....you aren't ignoring him but just the opposite: have bought into his BS: "household name" "national radio broadcast" "friend of the President." All a bunch of hoo-haw==>even to the degree it is true.

"Ignoring him enables him." //// A nice concept that. I haven't ignored him.......I just never run into him. He appears to be more central in your world view...........ever wonder how that happened? So, I say: "YES==>ignore him, if you ever happen to notice him." Other than Trump getting elected, what's the worst that could happen?
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Matthew Ellard wrote:I just looked her up. Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Where do you get the time/energy/interest to do the research you post here? Its a valuable service. I wouldn't do it...does it really need to be done???? Lunacy does reveal itself quite quickly.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:I just looked her up. Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Tom Palven wrote:I put her in the same boat with you, Matt. In that I have respect for you, too. :D
Debbie Lusignan is an incredibly stupid conspiracy theorist. At no point did it occur to her to watch lots of videos of the shooting before claiming she couldn't hear shooting in the one video she watched on you tube.

She directly states there were no ambulances taking wounded to hospitals by looking at videos, but without contacting the ambulance services, to check her facts.

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Bart Stewart wrote: Define massive? He is a household name nationally. He has had a national radio broadcast for decades, and is now all over social media. He is a friend of the president of the United States.
Then the NUMBERS should be readily available.
Not sure I follow. Numbers??? You want his Neilsen ratings or something? He is waaaay too big to suit me, even if he is not a household name by your definition. And for that matter, it seems that we comment on all kinds of small time quacks and wackos here all the time, people who are much smaller and less consequential than Alex Jones. So I am a little baffled by all of your prickly complaints over my calling this guy down.

I said somewhere above that he is not the only conspiracy freak, but he is one of the biggest, and it happened to be one of his videos that caught my attention here. It is not "hoo-haw" that he has a national radio broadcast and is on good speaking terms with the president. Last I heard they were trying to get press credentials for Info Wars to attend White House press briefings.

I don't think I saw any response from you over the reprehensible harassment that his flying monkeys have delivered to families of shooting victims.

I think this is a big enough problem to be worth making a statement. If you don't, okay. Great.

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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:37 am

Matthew Ellard wrote: Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Do you have more respect for these US mainstream media reporters than you do Debbie Lusignan?
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Bart Stewart wrote:
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Bart Stewart wrote: Define massive? He is a household name nationally. He has had a national radio broadcast for decades, and is now all over social media. He is a friend of the president of the United States.
Then the NUMBERS should be readily available.
Not sure I follow. Numbers??? You want his Neilsen ratings or something? He is waaaay too big to suit me,
Yes.........that or something like it. How many people of what group "follow him" whatever that means.

Alex Jones is NOT KNOWN in my group.........and too big to suit you. That raises the issue about who is paying attention to what. I am college educated, speak English, and am not stupid. Your group is?...................
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:04 am

Matthew Ellard wrote: Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Tom Palven wrote:Do you have more respect for these US mainstream media reporters than you do Debbie Lusignan?
Considering I'm Australian and work in television production.......no I don't know any of these USA mainstream commercial reporters. I watch the government Australian Broadcasting Commission news and the government British Broadcasting Commission news. However I also read lots of newspapers and journals.

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Post by Gord » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:37 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote: Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Do you have more respect for these US mainstream media reporters than you do Debbie Lusignan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46-fI18pJyw
Your video isn't available where I live. It is like this?

http://teamcoco.com/video/media-reacts-ice-cream
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:53 am

Gord wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote: Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Do you have more respect for these US mainstream media reporters than you do Debbie Lusignan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46-fI18pJyw
Your video isn't available where I live. It is like this?

http://teamcoco.com/video/media-reacts-ice-cream
Yes, thanks, that's the one, but I couldn't get it to run, and I can still get the link I posted to run. Curious.
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Post by Tom Palven » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:33 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote: Debbie Lusignan is a lunatic.
Tom Palven wrote:Do you have more respect for these US mainstream media reporters than you do Debbie Lusignan?
Considering I'm Australian and work in television production.......no I don't know any of these USA mainstream commercial reporters. I watch the government Australian Broadcasting Commission news and the government British Broadcasting Commission news.
Here's another set of excerpts that Conan ran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLXQ0qbq6jY

Conan did this several times with different topics before he was booted off the air, as you can see for yourself with a short search.

The point is that local reporters parrot the same stories. I don't know where they originate, although I suspect that many of the stories parroted in the mainstream print media, such as how North Korea will soon be a huge threat to the US mainland, originate with press releases from the public relations departments at the Treasury Dept., State Dept., Defense Dept., and other US government agencies.

Any thoughts on how this all happens in local television since you work in television production?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:59 pm

Tom Palven wrote: Here's another set of excerpts that Conan ran.
For commentary on media I watch Australian TV shows like "Media Watch" rather than late night entertainment shows by Americans
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/
Tom Palven wrote:The point is that local reporters parrot the same stories.
My God!!!!!! Do you mean the big news agencies, like TASS, Reuters, AAP and so on, that supply TV news with stories, are actually having their stories copied by those same TV news shows? When did this start happening!!!!!! :D
Tom Palven wrote:I don't know where they originate
I do.....I work in television. It's called licensing, sub-syndication, local focus group input and very lazy local executive producers.

Do you think any of these smaller stations might have local content rules and thus can't fully syndicate? Australian Rupert Murdoch, from the Australian and UK newspaper print industry, asked that question in the mid 80s when he unified his various USA TV holdings into FOX Network.

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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:01 am

Should members of the Trump regime flee to Belgium to avoid what happened to President Morsi and members of his democratically-elected parliament who are imprisoned in Egypt?
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/10/30/cata ... t-threats/

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How can we possibly get Egypt to imprison Trump? I'd seriously like to know.
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Gord wrote:How can we possibly get Egypt to imprison Trump? I'd seriously like to know.
Bury him under a pyramid and let them dig him up and put him in a museum?
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Post by Tom Palven » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:55 pm

Gord wrote:How can we possibly get Egypt to imprison Trump? I'd seriously like to know.
This is an unofficial, politically incorrect, opinion.

Not for the faint of heart:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ ... spartanntp
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:26 pm

Gord wrote:How can we possibly get Egypt to imprison Trump? I'd seriously like to know.
It would certainly be worth knowing. But, when you get right down to it, I'd settle for the Belgians imprisoning him.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:20 pm

Tom Palven wrote:Should members of the Trump regime flee to Belgium to avoid what happened to President Morsi and members of his democratically-elected parliament who are imprisoned in Egypt?

What's the word from Australia on this?
None, because members of the Trump team are not fleeing to Belgium.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:28 pm

I have wondered why Manafort did not leave for Russia. He can't be so pig headed to think he wasn't going to get charged?...............With money, even Russia has enough going for it, compared to a jail cell. Unless he knows what his future in Russia would be.......the vagaries being what they are?

Anyway.........short sighted in my book. Like any thief, he thought he could do one more job without concern for being caught. but signing on with Trump, is not your normal job. Stay in the shadows. Every good criminal (low level ego) knows this--think of the Forbes 500 you never hear about. Hard to avoid the limelight though.........money corrupting EVERYTHING.........as it does.
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