911 'No Planes' Lunacy

Cygnus_X1 · Post by **Cygnus_X1** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:31 am

I need therapy. For some insane reason I watched a bunch of 'there were no planes on 911' videos...and the worst aspect is not simply that ONE person out there is moron enough to think that way, but that entire legions of dolts actually believe the BS.

The ' nose out' video from Fox...the one where the nose of the plane seems to come out of the other side...seems intriguing at first. But it doesn't take more than a few minutes to debunk it. What is exiting the building is clearly expanding. It can in fact be seen in different shapes in all the 911 footage...and it is pure coincidence that for a split second in one video it just happens to have a shape similar to the plane nose.

But this one piece of footage then goes on to be the basis of an entire cottage industry of ever more loony conspiracy. I mean...the government must have faked all the other 36 videos of the impact, mustn't they. And 10,000 witnesses were all just imagining it. How does one argue with this sort of idiocy ? Should one even bother ?

The worst lunacy is the ( 5 million hits...for fecks sake ) video where some loon claims that a 'ball' hit the WTC, and then develops this lunacy to the point where the 'ball' is a reverse engineered anti-gravity device using alien technology from area 51. And all that based on nothing more than the fact that the CNN footage of the plane was grainy and didn't show the wings ( in fact it does in a few frames ). That is true conspiracy loon mind at work.....end up with something even harder to explain than the official version.

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:16 am

These days conspiracies need video to be "believable". These dates back at least as far as the Waco shoot-out, when armored vehicle hits the compound walls and you "can see flames ejected!" If you freeze the vid at one point it does appear that some kind of flare can be seen. However, running the full sequence shows that a piece of trash happened to blow past the point of convergence, and then goes on. No flame to be seen.

And, of course, there's the Zapruder film.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:36 pm

Cygnus_X1 wrote:How does one argue with this sort of idiocy ? Should one even bother ?

You don't. Just smile.... and vacate the area.

But....it is worthwhile to recognize these people work, vote, raise families.....come here to post as well.

They are hoomans, as are we: the family of man. I always stop to examine if "I" have any such fantasies...and I've recognized a few from time to time. ..... In defense...maybe a wistful longing rather than an actual belief...but still, not very sensible if reality is your guide.

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:36 pm

missile into the pentagon, no plane, no plane in PA field...obvious...no plane parts, no luggage, no bodies... [ytube][/ytube]

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:38 pm

the remote viewers also saw the planes into the towers were remote controlled....stay in denial...

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:38 pm

----- like I said............

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:41 pm

[ytube][/ytube]

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:05 pm

What size should the pieces be gorgeous?

Gawdzilla Sama · Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:05 pm

"Gorgeous", you are very tedious.

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:19 pm

bigger than a phone book ...that's for sure...see any plane crash site...luggage , wings, bodies, engines are visible on a much bigger site... like this ----- [ytube][/ytube]

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:27 pm

was likely an air bomb at Pa field...no plane...

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:55 pm

I've never look at this no plane conspiracy...... so yes, most plane crashes leave parts behind. .... but I don't see why all crashes must do so. I assume the engine turbine blades were mostly found? I recall the Black Box was recovered as we had recordings of the cockpit being broken into?

What caused the big rut in Shanksville?

Where did all the ticketed people go????

You know....you can't "hang" a fraud on one isolated fact............and I'll bet without any research at all that larger parts were found...just not in the first 5 minutes???

G: what is the hardest evidence against the crash being faked?

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:16 pm

reporters who were there first said no plane parts were seen...bomb made rut.....were the 'ticketed people' in on it or murdered? FBI and others reported the calls on the planes never happened...faked... Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three ...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ted-olson- ... 11.../8514

Apr 1, 2008 - 9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call ... alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 ...

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:24 pm

I remember seeing the mom of the 'let's roll' guy on every single tv channel sobbing.... crisis actress?...I thought then it was abnormal and a hoax that she needed to do back to back interviews and be on every channel like she was selling her role as grieving mom... ------

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:41 pm

gorgeous wrote:reporters who were there first said no plane parts were seen/// of course not, that has already been agreed to

...bomb made rut...../// bombs don't make ruts

were the 'ticketed people' in on it or murdered? /// In on it for grins...or what??? Life long hide and seeks??? Silly.

FBI and others reported the calls on the planes never happened...faked... /// Link? aka: I don't believe you.

Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ted-olson- ... 11.../8514 /// Ok....lets assume no phone call: so what??? Its the mountain, or the rut, of evidence otherwise.

Apr 1, 2008 - 9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call ... alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 ...

/// fog of war. Mountain of evidence vs.... bad reporting on phone call. See the lack of balance?

Second time: what is the strongest evidence in your mind against a fraudulent plane crash?

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:44 pm

the small crash site..no plane, bodies, luggage plane parts....duhhh........

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:52 pm

No Gorgeous: focus. You give the strongest evidence IN FAVOR OF a fake plane crash. I'm asking for the opposite. aka: how much do you really know about the issue as opposed to just being a tool.

Third time..... read for what it clearly says: what is the strongest evidence AGAINST this being a faked crash?

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:58 pm

"By December 19, 2001, “the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers” had all been identified. (Steve Levin, “Flight 93 victims’ effects to go back to families,” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 12/30/2001)"

Plane parts too. Gorgeous: you simply ignore the refutation of the LIE you choose to believe.
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/shanksvi ... rash-site/

It appears to me you rely on "early reports" and totally ignore follow up actual investigation.

Silly.

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:05 pm

planted plane parts....propaganda article...

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:09 pm

Link....and btw...."planted plane parts" sounds like evidence in favor of a fraud. Propaganda doesn't even make sense.

G: can you understand "anything" other than your set knee jerk response? So far: no... you can't. Rather humorous. Intellectually lazy conspiracy theorists...can't support/argue their own position, all you can do is howl your complaint.

Sucks to be you. I'm done. You got NOTHING.

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:43 pm

Well, gorgeous, you've convinced me with your videos.

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:46 pm

yes, the govt puts out propaganda and now openly promote it... CIA Will Now Openly Propagandize Americans » Alex Jones' Infowars ...

http://www.infowars.com/cia-will-now-op ... ize-americ...

Alex Jones

Jul 15, 2013 - ... Act “reformed” this month allowing CIA to disseminate propaganda .... of the war effort because the CIA hands were tied by legal restriction.

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:13 am

gorgeous wrote:the remote viewers also saw the planes into the towers were remote controlled....stay in denial...

Gorgeous? Be a good bloke and explain how the remote viewers knew the planes were remote controlled?

Did the planes have huge signs painted on them saying "Remote Controlled"?

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:16 am

gorgeous wrote:planted plane parts....propaganda article...

Gorgeous? Be a good bloke and explain to us why your remote viewers are unable to see who planted the plane parts and unable to say when these same people planted the plane parts?

Why are the remote viewers failing to do this?

Cygnus_X1 · Post by **Cygnus_X1** » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:34 pm

Another big myth is the that of the woman allegedly standing in the hole left by the first plane. It 'looks' like a woman standing there....only until you realise that the legs don't look at all right. And then it hit me, the legs are not legs at all...they are actually pieces of the external cladding of the WTC. This is VERY clear in one of the photos...where you can clearly see that the woman's 'leg' is simply the upward extension of the aluminium cladding from the floor below. There is no woman....the entire thing is pareidolia.

scrmbldggs · Post by **scrmbldggs** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:39 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
gorgeous wrote:planted plane parts....propaganda article...
Gorgeous? Be a good bloke and explain to us why your remote viewers are unable to see who planted the plane parts and unable to say when these same people planted the plane parts?

Why are the remote viewers failing to do this?

Fairly plain to see. Their lunacy does not allow them to distinguish between the parts of the plains and planes not planted but painted on the planet. Duh...

Matthew Ellard · Post by **Matthew Ellard** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:52 am

gorgeous wrote:yes, the govt puts out propaganda and now openly promote it... CIA Will Now Openly Propagandize Americans » Alex Jones' Infowars ...

You are the dumbest of the dumb...

The US Information and Educational Exchange Act (1948) (Smith–Mundt Act) was modified in 2013.....
.......allowing for materials produced by the State Department and the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) to be released within U.S. borders for the Archivist of the United States

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr4310/text

It has nothing to do with the CIA, you complete idiot!

OlegTheBatty · Post by **OlegTheBatty** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:11 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
gorgeous wrote:planted plane parts....propaganda article...
Gorgeous? Be a good bloke and explain to us why your remote viewers are unable to see who planted the plane parts and unable to say when these same people planted the plane parts?

Why are the remote viewers failing to do this?
Fairly plain to see. Their lunacy does not allow them to distinguish between the parts of the plains and planes not planted but painted on the planet. Duh...

If they planted plane trees, the seeds could be considered plane parts. And, as time passes, it gets easier and easier to find the planes, and their parts.

scrmbldggs · Post by **scrmbldggs** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:43 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
gorgeous wrote:planted plane parts....propaganda article...
Gorgeous? Be a good bloke and explain to us why your remote viewers are unable to see who planted the plane parts and unable to say when these same people planted the plane parts?

Why are the remote viewers failing to do this?
Fairly plain to see. Their lunacy does not allow them to distinguish between the parts of the plains and planes not planted but painted on the planet. Duh...
If they planted plane trees, the seeds could be considered plane parts. And, as time passes, it gets easier and easier to find the planes, and their parts.

page. Thanks.

mirror93 · Post by **mirror93** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:07 am

Yes, planes hit it, that doesn't mean it couldn't have been a conspiracy, we are skeptics after all, not blind, conspiracies do exist. The whole thing about the two towers getting destroyed, films putting it as subliminals in movies back in the 80's and 90's, as dualism II towers, become I one world tower. Too weird to my taste

Gord · Post by **Gord** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:15 pm

mirror93 wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:07 am
...films putting it as subliminals in movies back in the 80's and 90's....

Wait, what? What movies back in the 80s and 90s put any subliminal messages in their movies, never mind subliminal messages about the World Trade Center?

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:48 pm

Gremlins (1984)
Time: 01:08:58
Scene: Zach Galligan gets into his Volkswagen Beetle with Gizmo and successfully starts the engine. He turns the radio on and the red indicator is sitting between 9 and 11. ///////////////////////// Film: Independence Day (1996)
Time: 00:45:33 (Special Edition) 00:41:22 (Theatrical Version)
Scene: As Air Force 1 evacuates the President and his family, Jeff Goldblum sets a laptop up to watch the countdown. When the camera cuts to a close-up one of the ticks is 9:11:01. ---countdown to 9 - 11-01, EXACT date. ////////////////////-------Film: The Peacemaker (1997)
Time: 01:28:42
Scene: George Clooney and Nicole Kidman are in pursuit of a Yugoslavian terrorist who disembarks at New York's JFK Airport. Stepping off the escalator Clooney anxiously looks around and behind him are desks 9 and 11. //////////////////////---------Film: Enemy of the State (1998)
Time: 01:28:06
Scene: Gene Hackman takes Will Smith to his compound from where they locate Jon Voight's personal details on the computer. Gene Hackman states, 'Reynolds, Thomas Brian. Born 9-11-40'. ////////////////////----------------- Film: Rugrats in Paris (2000)
Time: 00:02:22
Scene: Struggling to dance at a wedding ceremony Chuckie's shoelaces get tangled. He counts along with the beat, 'Nine, eleven, twenty…' ////////////////////-------------Film: Traffic (2000)
Time: 00:02:17
Scene: In the opening sequence a drug van is pulled over and seized. When the boxes of drugs are removed 911 is written on each of them. ///////////////////-----------Film: The Patriot (2000)
Time: (1) 00:03:25 (2) 00:03:59-0:4:33
Scene: (1) Mel Gibson weighs a chair he has made. He says 'Nine pounds, eleven ounces. That's perfect. Perfect'. (2) Taking it down he sits on it, but it collapses under his weight. Upset he throws it against a wall where other chairs he has made lie in pieces.

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:54 pm

“It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.”

-----— Voltaire -----exact date shown in the movie the matrix....9-11-01

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:57 pm

9 11 shown in simpsons with towers

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:58 pm

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:29 pm

FLIGHT CONTROL: Boeing's 'Uninterruptible Autopilot System ...
https://21stcenturywire.com/.../flight- ... lot-system...
Aug 7, 2014 - Following the apparent 'vanishing act' of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370, ... This technology is known as the Boeing Honeywell 'Uninterruptible' Autopilot System. ... IMAGE: 'A jet for the 21st century' – An interior view of a Boeing 777-200 ... The advancement of radio controlled unmanned aircraft was seen ...

mirror93 · Post by **mirror93** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:55 pm

Gord wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:15 pm

mirror93 wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:07 am
...films putting it as subliminals in movies back in the 80's and 90's....
Wait, what? What movies back in the 80s and 90s put any subliminal messages in their movies, never mind subliminal messages about the World Trade Center?

Many, but this is the most obvious for me:

mirror93 · Post by **mirror93** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:09 pm

Note, something they forgot even, the time on the lone pine mall clock says 1:33am when reversed says 3:31..0r 3/31 .. March 31 st was the grand opening of the one world tower

bobbo_the_Pragmatist · Post by **bobbo_the_Pragmatist** » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:04 am

Woo doesn't get dumber than numerology.

gorgeous · Post by **gorgeous** » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:41 am

a few had the exact date..explain that...