A Peace Conspiracy

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:46 am

...and from your links that don't Mention RT News, but do mention that over half his income comes from a totally USA Source, and implies that most of the rest does too, ..that doesn't leave anywhere near 200K to come from RT or any other source.

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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:54 am

landrew wrote:Snowden didn't sell secrets to the Russians. He revealed to the public those things he deemed to be government crimes against the citizens of the United States.
You have made so many errors I have to list them

1) Snowden stole UK and Australia secret documents and not just USA documents
2) Of the 1.5 million documents, Snowden stole, including US secrets, only a handful were crimes but rather simple defence secrets of the NSA and related agencies.
3) He sent the documents to Wikileaks which was Russian controlled in 2012.
4) He was defecting to China who refused him, so he defected to Russia, who paid for his accommodation, food and gave him a job giving public speeches that appear on government controlled "Russia Today"

Kim Philby did exactly the same except Kim Philby refused to give speeches in East Germany.

landrew wrote: As he is now a world figure he is entitled to the fees people are willing to pay him to speak. He has no other apparent means of financial support.
So you have just worked out that he was being funded by Russia since 2013.
landrew wrote: He didn't betray his country and its citizens to foreign powers for personal financial gain.
He did exactly that when he go onto the Aeroflot flight to defect to Russia. He also gave away Australian and UK secrets to Russia.
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landrew wrote: He risked nearly everything....
He increased his income by stealing secrets.
landrew wrote:to reveal the abuses of the government
and UK government and Australian government, which didn't commit any crimes ...
landrew wrote:If the word "patriot" fits, he is indeed that.
The word is paid "Russian Spy" to spy on the USA, Australia and UK.

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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by landrew » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:15 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:54 am
landrew wrote:Snowden didn't sell secrets to the Russians. He revealed to the public those things he deemed to be government crimes against the citizens of the United States.
You have made so many errors I have to list them

You are entitled to your narrow backwards view. Very few thinking people agree with you, except those who support the evil corruption that Snowden heroically exposed.
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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:34 am

landrew wrote: You are entitled to your narrow backwards view.
No. It is the exact opposite. Snowden stole over 1.5 million secret documents from the USA and Australia and the UK.

Are you pretending that all of them show "USA crimes" and not military and political secrets? What do you think the Russians did with the rest of the documents? Why do you think spies steal secret documents?

Secondly, who do think was paying Snowden's accommodation, airflights and salary since 2012?

Thirdly, if Snowden was a "whistle blower" do you claim he read all 1.5 million documents to determine the crime?

Fourthly, (and my favourite) why would TV1 Russia, the government TV station, whose chairman is the director of the Russian foreign intelligence service, supply Snowden a studio to record his anti-West speeches that are broadcast back into the west?

You are the sort of idiot who doesn't think that Russia interfered in the USA elections, by using fake internet bloggers, fake information and Moscow composed talk points. :lol: :lol:

Snowden is wanted in the US on three charges under the Espionage Act, carrying a minimum of 10 years each in jail.

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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by TJrandom » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:42 am

Plus I suspect that he isn't paying his taxes... :oldman:

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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Tom Palven » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:28 pm

Trump yields to deep state and the Likud lobby on Syrian and Afghan withdrawals:
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/03/tru ... -pressure/

...and Iraqi leader chastises Trump:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/02/ ... 56454.html
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:06 am

TJrandom wrote: Plus I suspect that he isn't paying his taxes..
As Snowden spent more than 182 days of the financial year in Russia, he paid tax in Russia, since 2013, under the 1994 Double tax agreement. :D

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:08 am

Tom Palven wrote:Trump yields to deep state and the Likud lobby on Syrian and Afghan withdrawals:
ISIS has killed USA soldiers since Trump said "ISIS was defeated". Didn't you know? :lol:

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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Tom Palven » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:58 am

Pentagon says Yes, State Dept. says No.
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/07/us- ... -of-april/

Will the real Deep State please stand up?

CIA, give us your thoughts.
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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by OutOfBreath » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:08 am

Tom Palven wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:58 am
Pentagon says Yes, State Dept. says No.
https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/07/us- ... -of-april/

Will the real Deep State please stand up?

CIA, give us your thoughts.
That's just trump at his best/worst. Uncoordinated with his own government, the consequence being confusion and him having options for blame/credit as the wind blows.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:37 pm

Deep state - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

A deep state is a form of clandestine government made up of hidden or covert networks of power operating independently of a nation's political leadership, ...
Doesn't really fit Pentagon, State Departmetn, CIA. Those are actually "The State" and sadly, not too much deep about them.

Deep state in the United States - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_stat ... ted_States

In the United States, the term "deep state" is used in political messaging to describe a controversial belief.
Yep. We need to root those bastards at the Pentagon, State Department, CIA out because they aren't American.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:15 am

Tom Palven wrote: Pentagon says Yes, State Dept. says No.
Will the real Deep State please stand up?
You have already forgotten that Trump appointed his own Secretary of State and his own Secretary of Defense.

You are so permanently confused, you think Trump appointed his own "Deep State Conspiracy " members.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:49 am

To be fair...........who wants THAT????..............by any definition of Deep State: it exists if at all BELOW the level of appointed figure heads. Its what makes the British Civil Service organizations such a marvel to behold. Best shows on TV: the Yes Minister Series on UK tv that were redone in USA as House of Cards that I have not seen. the UK version would be hard to beat what with the Deep State Civil Servant running interference.

My favorite line from the Deep State to the Elected Official: "Yes........that would be a very brave thing to do." Ha, ha....always stopped the PM in his tracks. FANTASTIC SHOW. I assume the Kevin Spacey show is too with a different blacker motif?

Hmmm...strikes me the Yes Minister I just referenced is a different UK show from the one House of Cards is about........different leads. And the UK version of House of Cards was very dark.

there is "good tv." You just have to look for it.
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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:18 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: ............by any definition of Deep State: it exists if at all BELOW the level of appointed figure heads.
Soooooo...... when government employee Snowden stole 1.5 million documents despite the specific written orders of the director, placed by the elected government,.........he must be part of the "Deep State"

Write out your exact definition of the "Deep State Conspiracy" Bobbo. Tom Palven refuses to do so.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:25 am

I said if it exists at all. Another example of: Matticism No 5: You can't find one iota of evidence to prove the negative I made up and ascribed to you. aka: I've never said anything close to I believe in the Deep State nor of any conspiracies. Other than yours........and whatever you are smoking.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:41 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: I said if it exists at all.
The Deep State conspiracy doesn't exist. You can't even define it without including Snowden and Manning.

Have you told Tom Palven yet?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:44 am

Matticism No 6: writing for an audience of one.
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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:38 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: Matticism No 6: writing for an audience of one.
Tom Palven responded (that's one person) You responded ( that's two people)

Let us know when you learn to count past one Bobbo.
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How's your definition of "The Deep State Conspiracy going Bobbo?

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:08 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:38 am
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: Matticism No 6: writing for an audience of one.
Tom Palven responded (that's one person)
Not since you started writing for yourself.
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Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:38 am
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: You responded ( that's two people)
I'm making fun of you as in:
Matticism No 7: Taking credit for being completely humiliated as when Trump lauds the number of Female Congress Creeps.


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Let us know when you learn to count past one Bobbo.
I'm on 19 for direct questions you refuse to answer and 10 for the Matticisms you use repeatedly. Q-20--might be wrong count, and I think I asked you this direct question before: is your memory this bad.or is it the checkers mentality where you ask questions that are answered JUST BEFORE YOU ASK? bwhahahahaha. Matt thinks he has an audience of one: his own delusion of expertise.
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How's your definition of "The Deep State Conspiracy going Bobbo?

Can't you read? I've never made any claim anywhere near that. Time for another Matticism, but they come so fast, I'm a bit worn out. Quite the mania.............
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:56 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote: Matticism No 6: writing for an audience of one.
Matthew Ellard wrote:Tom Palven responded (that's one person) You responded ( that's two people)

Let us know when you learn to count past one Bobbo.
:lol: :lol:
So you still can't count past one. Have you asked your peers Tom Palven, Gorgeous and Jo 753 to give you lessons? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I see, from your incoherent post above, you are also confused and bewildered by the font colour formatting again. How drunk are you this time? :lol: :lol:

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Re: A Peace Conspiracy

Post by Tom Palven » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:49 am

North and South Korea to launch joint Olympic bid:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... r-olympics

Bolton be damned, another development to make neocons cringe. :mrgreen:
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