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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:36 pm

The fun one is that when god created the universe and let there be light, he did it as if the light from the stars had been on their way for billions of years. Always cracks me up.
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:35 pm

Poodle wrote:
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... on the other hand, it's very good evidence of human gullibility.
These things are always hopeful retrofittings of data to reinforce belief in an earnestly desired universe. They always look SOOO much better in soft focus, like the predictions of Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce.
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by landrew » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:27 pm
To be fair, landrew, most opinions expressed by the competent skeptics on this forum are not quick verdicts. Most of us have thought about these things for years, if not decades.

And done a lot of reading on the appropriate empirical evidence.
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:56 pm

You would retire in extreme poverty.

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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:01 am

landrew wrote:If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a skeptic say there's no time or no need to research the evidence, I could retire.
I think you have this back to front. A skeptic cannot say that unless someone has made a fixed hypothesis and supplied evidence for that hypothesis. No one has set out a hypothesis for reincarnation and reincarnation is simply fuzzy set of conflicting claims. If you don't lock down a claim, it cannot be falsified and falsification is a precondition to allow a skeptic to review a claim.

Try defining reincarnation. It is impossible.

Ian Stephenson, made a claim that people who died of violent gunshot wounds were more likely to be reincarnated with birth marks.. He presented 20 children as evidence and then found matching murder victims. However 20,000 British and Germans died of violent deaths on one day in the battle of the Somme. So where were the 20,000 reincarnated children with birthmarks? The claim was destroyed. What about the 65,000,000 people who died in WWII? We should be flooded with reincarnated children and birthmarks .......but it didn't happen. :D

I note that gorgeous cannot set out in any clear language what he thinks reincarnation is.

I think you would agree with me that skeptics cannot argue against a claim that doesn't actually exist as that would create a strawman.

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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:54 am

landrew wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:27 pm
To be fair, landrew, most opinions expressed by the competent skeptics on this forum are not quick verdicts. Most of us have thought about these things for years, if not decades.

And done a lot of reading on the appropriate empirical evidence.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a skeptic say there's no time or no need to research the evidence, I could retire.
If I had a nickel for every time a skeptic asked for evidence and was refused or got a lot of special pleading and appeals to ignorance fallacies instead, I would have retired ten years ago.
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by TJrandom » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:05 am

Pyrrho wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:54 am
landrew wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:27 pm
To be fair, landrew, most opinions expressed by the competent skeptics on this forum are not quick verdicts. Most of us have thought about these things for years, if not decades.

And done a lot of reading on the appropriate empirical evidence.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a skeptic say there's no time or no need to research the evidence, I could retire.
If I had a nickel for every time a skeptic asked for evidence and was refused or got a lot of special pleading and appeals to ignorance fallacies instead, I would have retired ten years ago.
Not if those were wooden nickles... ;)

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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Gord » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:21 am

TJrandom wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:05 am
Pyrrho wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:54 am
landrew wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:27 pm
To be fair, landrew, most opinions expressed by the competent skeptics on this forum are not quick verdicts. Most of us have thought about these things for years, if not decades.

And done a lot of reading on the appropriate empirical evidence.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a skeptic say there's no time or no need to research the evidence, I could retire.
If I had a nickel for every time a skeptic asked for evidence and was refused or got a lot of special pleading and appeals to ignorance fallacies instead, I would have retired ten years ago.
Not if those were wooden nickles... ;)
Wait, is it "nickel" or "nickle"? :?
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Major Malfunction » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:42 am

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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Upton_O_Goode » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:37 am

It's Nicholas Nickleby.
“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”

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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by Pyrrho » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:19 pm

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12 ounce bottle
That's a lot
You get more for your nickel too
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by TJrandom » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:22 pm

Gord wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:21 am
TJrandom wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:05 am
Pyrrho wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:54 am
landrew wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:27 pm
To be fair, landrew, most opinions expressed by the competent skeptics on this forum are not quick verdicts. Most of us have thought about these things for years, if not decades.

And done a lot of reading on the appropriate empirical evidence.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a skeptic say there's no time or no need to research the evidence, I could retire.
If I had a nickel for every time a skeptic asked for evidence and was refused or got a lot of special pleading and appeals to ignorance fallacies instead, I would have retired ten years ago.
Not if those were wooden nickles... ;)
Wait, is it "nickel" or "nickle"? :?
Lotsa wooden nickles if you google it... ;)