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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Genaro » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:24 pm

"Apparently they didn't have any prior knowledge of there being any UFOs"
- Bart (I would add "Simpson", but it would be insult to Bart Simpson).

If ever there was a perfect example of the sophomoric mindset that prevails in the so-called skeptic community that statement sums it up perfectly.

So riddle me this, Bart. If the US government never had any prior knowledge that UFO's existed, why would they have created and funded Project Sign, Project Grudge, and Project Blue Book, in the first place?

Is there something about the word "unidentified" you don't understand?

Also, none of those programs reached a conclusion that UFO's didn't exist, you moron. What they concluded was that UFO's did not pose any threat to national security. Now that this additional program has come to light on the front page of the Sunday New York Times, it is obvious that the DoD still doesn't know whether these UFO's still potentially pose a threat to national security.

Anyway, I just dropped in to rub the resident low IQ pseudo-skeptic denialist's faces in their own OCD BS.

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Poodle » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:49 pm

Hi Genaro. Do you have a proper job yet?

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Bart Stewart » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:13 pm

Genaro wrote:
"Apparently they didn't have any prior knowledge of there being any UFOs"
- Bart (I would add "Simpson", but it would be insult to Bart Simpson).

If ever there was a perfect example of the sophomoric mindset that prevails in the so-called skeptic community that statement sums it up perfectly.

So riddle me this, Bart. If the US government never had any prior knowledge that UFO's existed, why would they have created and funded Project Sign, Project Grudge, and Project Blue Book, in the first place?

Is there something about the word "unidentified" you don't understand?

Also, none of those programs reached a conclusion that UFO's didn't exist, you moron. What they concluded was that UFO's did not pose any threat to national security. Now that this additional program has come to light on the front page of the Sunday New York Times, it is obvious that the DoD still doesn't know whether these UFO's still potentially pose a threat to national security.

Anyway, I just dropped in to rub the resident low IQ pseudo-skeptic denialist's faces in their own OCD BS.

See ya.....
Puerile insults are always your first tip-off that a guy has no intellectual case. (See Trump, Donald.)

As I think I spelled out in my last post to Genaro, the fact that the government investigates something does not mean that the something exists. That would seem to go without saying, but I said it here once before. If the government, for some lame reason, funded an investigation into Bigfoot, that would not mean that Bigfoot was anything more than a hoax or a bear or a false memory. The fact that there was an investigation points to a lack of knowledge of the subject, not a confirmation of it.

I don't think we're dealing with any advanced concept here. The mere fact that there is a study does not validate the subject of the study.

Also, because inconclusive studies of the past did not disprove the existence of flying saucers, it does not follow that they exist. (See God, Almighty.)

The fact that an inconclusive study was reported on by the New York Times likewise means ... well, nothing! In terms of validating the existence of UFOs? It means nothing.

Genaro has mastered the art of the non sequitur, to an amazing degree. But I'm thinking he joins Gorgeous on my Ignore list.

I'm standing by my statement that government investigation of UFOs is evidence that they don't have any more information about them than anyone else, thus gutting the widely-held notion of a massive government conspiracy to cover-up UFOs. If alien spacecraft were visiting us the government would know. (And it is not just our government, remember! It's every government!)

The fact is, the government shows no sign of knowing about UFOs. Hence, no real UFOs. Just fakes and mistakes, like the Loch Ness Monster.

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:19 pm

Genaro wrote: If ever there was a perfect example of the sophomoric mindset that prevails in the so-called skeptic community that statement sums it up perfectly.
Genaro you are just a bit thick. You came to forum promoting reincarnation and your evidence was Ian Stevenson's who said birthmarks were evidence of reincarnation from people killed by gun shot wounds. When it was pointed out to you that 22 million people died in WWI from gunshot wound with no increase in birthmarks, you said the same thing about skeptics as you said above.

You are just dumb. Get over it.

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:22 pm

Genaro wrote:Also, none of those programs reached a conclusion that UFO's didn't exist, you moron.
Firstly, you can't prove a negative. Secondly, you never read any of them. Have you actually read any of the reports in Blue Book?

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:31 pm

JO 753 wrote:Blue Book wuz a rezoundingly seksedful propaganda campane to catagoricly discredit all UFO reports. It wuz not an investigation.
Jo 753, that doesn't make any sense. Firstly, it was classified so no one could read it and when it was released the stories ended up on a popular TV show, in the 1970s that was pro-UFOs, to get high ratings during the "Chariot of the Gods" cultural movement.

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:25 pm

What happened to our two UFO experts Zealous and Genaro?

They were very quick to come here and abuse skeptics for doubting the released US Navy UFO video?

Was it because they were the last to find out that the US Navy never released any such video?

Was it because they worked out the UFO story was originally from a 2007 Aviation Week magazine and the video was a recent added forgery?

Was it because they never actually read the whole story, which is about spotting whales off California
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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by TJrandom » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:03 am

We did that once - went whale watching just north of San Francisco at the Point Reyes light house. Unfortunately... maybe fortunately, we didn`t see any UFOs, just whales....

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:23 am

Jo 753 was right.

"Footage appearing to show US Navy pilots encountering UFOs are probably "fake", an expert said."

"The DoD declined to comment on Dr Diego's claims, adding it did not release the videos to the NYT."
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/c ... 23511.html

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:41 am

Sorry to disappoint, but I've almost worked out what happened from reading various UFO, military and aviation websites. Luis Elizondo was working for the Advanced Aviation Threat program and lost his job when it closed in 2012.

Five years later Luis Elizondo and Tom Delonge, from Blink182, set up a UFO hunting company called "To the Stars Academy"
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com

Lucky for Luis, as he needed to raise more money for his new company, he found a video in his cupboard of an F-18 chasing something that was exactly what he needed to raise money. He piggybacked this video onto an older "Whale Spotting" UFO story. It was also lucky it was Christmas, so most journalists were already on holidays. Thankfully Luis found his own staff writer to co-write the original New York Times article.

Even better news is that To the Stars Academy is going to produce entertaining films on UFOs.
"The Entertainment Division is composed of our wholly-owned subsidiary To The Stars, Inc., a vertically integrated business specializing in the licensing and creation of award-winning, original content. Our content aims to educate and inspire curiosity in scientific possibilities through various media formats like film, television, books, music and art."

I feel sorry for the New York Times who are going to egg on their face in the new Year when the chief editor comes back from holidays. "Did anyone here bother to contact the DoD to see if they released the video as we published?" "No Chief"
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Worth more than $50....

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Post by Gord » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:38 am

Yeah, that's the guy!
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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Bart Stewart » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:54 pm

An interesting follow-up to the NYT article here from Scientific American.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ufo-story/

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:39 pm

Yep. The story fell apart and the New York Times is being a bit more honest, in a follow up article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/insi ... ogram.html

Firstly there never was any Department of Defence press release or video. Instead a journalist met with people, in a hotel room who handed over a video. One of those people was Harold Puthoff. We already know Harold Puthoff as he promoted Yuri Geller and claims remote viewing is real.

Harold Puthoff already had a UFO chasing company called EarthTech International since 1985. All that is happening is that Harold Puthoff is merging his UFO chasing company EarthTech International with Luis Elizondo and Tom Delonge's new UFO chasing company, called To the Stars Academy


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Post by JO 753 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:53 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Yep. The story fell apart and the New York Times is being a bit more honest, in a follow up article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/insi ... ogram.html
You appear to be relying on us not actually reading the article, insted trusting your assesssment.

The article detailz their efforts to vet the story and rite the orijinal article. No 'falling apart', admissionz uv mistakes or retractionz exist. That includez the credit for the video & fotoz - 'courtesy uv the Department uv Defens'
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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:27 am

JO 753 wrote: You appear to be relying on us not actually reading the article, insted trusting your assesssment.
No Jo 753. I did the research and also went to the Department of Defense Media Centre. The Department of Defense did not release any UFO videos.
https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Conta ... a-Queries/

You see, there is no such thing as "Expert UFO researchers" as not one of you UFO fans bothered to check if the Department of Defense released anything. :lol:
JO 753 wrote:You appear to be relying on us not actually reading the article, insted trusting your assesssment.
Well Jo 753, the article named every person in the two meetings the NYT had. Not one of them worked for the Department of Defense. Didn't you work that out when you read the article? :D

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Post by JO 753 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:30 am

Sorry, the DoD media enquirez paje duz not proov anything. Agen, you are expecting us to not bother looking.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:18 pm

JO 753 wrote:Sorry, the DoD media enquirez paje duz not proov anything. Agen, you are expecting us to not bother looking.
Please think really hard Jo 753.
Luis Elizondo and four private people in a hotel room said the Department of Defense released UFO videos to the public. The Department of Defense Media department states that that never happened. Any UFO fan can ring the media officer at the Department of Defense and confirm that. No UFO fan can find any press release from the Dod saying it release UFO videos.

However, none of you "UFO researchers" will ring the DoD media room because you are all just dumb and lazy.


https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Conta ... a-Queries/

US Department of Defense : Media Enquiries
The Department of Defense responds to media requests and queries through our Press Operations Center located in the Pentagon. This link is intended for requests from the media that do not require a response prior to the next business day. Media with queries during our normal business hours should call (703) 697-5131.

The Press Desk Hours of Operation are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday - Friday (Eastern Time Zone). Questions from the public should be directed to Public Inquiries or call (703) 571-3343.

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:26 pm

JO 753 wrote: Agen, you are expecting us to not bother looking.
....but you haven't looked at anything, have you Jo 753 :lol:

1) Was anyone in that hotel room an employee or agent of the Department of Defense? ( The answer is no)

2) Where is the magical press release from the Department of Defense releasing the videos? ( It doesn't exist)

3) Isn't Harold Puthoff (Yuri Geller's promoter) simply setting up a new scam UFO with Luis Elizondo, to replace his bankrupt Earth Tech International Ltd with To the Stars Academy Ltd.? (The answer is yes)

Make me laugh Jo 753, Tell me what you have looked at, apart from the fake You tube UFO video that Luis Elizondo loaded up.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:09 pm

Make you laf? OK, herez the joke:

The New York Timez desided it woud be fun to ad 'Courtesy uv the Department uv Defens' to the caption for the foto & video. They coud get a larf out uv all the dumassez hoo check the sours and cant get any verification. It mite even jenerate sum controversy if a competing newz outlet callz them out on it! Sell sum paperz, by golly! Journalistic reputation? HA! Hoo needz that? :lol:
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JO 753 wrote:Make you laf? OK, herez the joke:
JO 753 two days ago wrote:The only way we can tell if its real iz if it iz authenticated by the airforse.
The Guardian checked first. The Department of Defense states it gave no UFO video to Luis Elizondo.

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Luis Elizondo iz not The New York Timez
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Post by JO 753 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:45 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:The Guardian checked first.
Got a link to that story? The wun I found sez nothing about the video.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:45 am

JO 753 wrote:Luis Elizondo iz not The New York Timez
No If you had bothered to read the second New York Times article, you would have discovered that Luis Elizondo, Harold E. Puthoff and Christopher K. Mellon met the New York times journalist in a hotel room and not one of them worked for the Department of Defense. If you did any basic research, you would have known that Harold Puthoff already owned a UFO chasing company that supplied the fake video, called Earth Tech International which ceased trading. If you bothered to read the article you would have seen they were starting a new UFO chasing company called On to The Stars Academy with Tom Delonge from Blink 182, and were seeking new investors

It has now dawned on you the Department of Defense has nothing to do with any of the videos.


"A few days later Mr. Elizondo and others there — including Harold E. Puthoff, an engineer who has conducted research on extrasensory perception for the C.I.A. and later worked as a contractor on the program, and Christopher K. Mellon, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence — announced they were joining a new commercial venture, To the Stars Academy"

Harold Puthoff did not work for the CIA. Instead he was destroyed by James Randi for stating Uri Geller has remote viewing skills at Stanford University, when in fact the CIA closed "Stargate" as a complete failure.

You would then have worked out that Chris Mellon is actually a director of the private UFO chasing company, UFO DATA and not a government employee at all.
http://www.ufodata.net/

You are now probably aware now that Tom DeLonge is a guitarist and rock singer and wrote this song

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Bad news Jo 753, You fell for this scam because you are these people's target.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:00 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Bart Stewart wrote: Not sure about super-sonic underwater travel,
It's called a supercaviation rocket. The font of the underwater rocket uses hydrogen peroxide to blow a gas envelope around the front of the missile.
The speed of sound in water is roughly four times that in air. So I find it hard to believe an underwater missile can travel nearly 1.3 km per second.

:P
This being was produced using the same process as other beings, and therefore, may contain traces of nuts.

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Post by Poodle » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:27 pm

I was surprised, too, so I looked it up. The point is that the torpedo is surrounded by the gas, rather than the water, when it reaches max. speed (200 and 220 mph for the models I managed to find)..

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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:02 pm

I've heard of that, too. And it's still a bit short of the speed of sound, even in air.
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Post by OlegTheBatty » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:54 pm

True, but it does beat the speed of sound in a vacuum.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:35 am

Watch out for confirmation bias, Gord.
Matthew Ellard wrote:No If you had bothered to read the second New York Times article, you would have discovered that Luis Elizondo, Harold E. Puthoff and Christopher K. Mellon met the New York times journalist in a hotel room and not one of them worked for the Department of Defense.
Elizondo worked for the DoD for 22 yirz.
5 fast facts you need to know about Luis Elizondo. - heavy.com

It has now dawned on you the Department of Defense has nothing to do with any of the videos.
From the Heavy article:
To examine evidence, he told NPR that they would first make sure the videos were authentic and coming from a true Department of Defense platform. Next they would look at range, altitude, data on what the U.S. aircraft were doing, conditions, and other data. They would then cross-reference all their data to everything in the United States’ inventory.
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:50 am

Poodle wrote:I was surprised, too, so I looked it up. The point is that the torpedo is surrounded by the gas, rather than the water, when it reaches max. speed (200 and 220 mph for the models I managed to find)..
I think the gas can reduse surfase friction, but the water still needz to be pushed out uv the way. You can calculate by multiplying the cross sectional area uv the torpedo + gas envelope by the distans it travelz to get the mass uv water and how much it movez, then coagulate that with how fast it's getting out uv the way. Even without knowing how to do the math, I can see that it woud take a tremendous amount uv power.
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Post by Poodle » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:22 am

I know what you mean, JO - it all sounds a bit like lifting yourself up by grabbing your legs and pulling. But there's a tremendous amount of energy already wrapped up in the fact that the gas had to be compressed in the first place, and that's providing the water displacement as the gas decompresses. All the torpedo has to do is push its way through what is effectively a long bubble of gas - much less friction to overcome. Sure - it's more power overall, but most of that was put into the system before launch and the torpedo increases its speed markedly and so needs less time to reach its target. As bobbo would say - pros and cons. I wouldn't like to try to do the calculations, though.
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JO 753 wrote:Watch out for confirmation bias, Gord.
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis. :afdb:
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:40 pm

I duz be tokkin bout you thankin Matt's bogus post.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:47 pm

JO 753 wrote: Elizondo worked for the DoD for 22 yirz.

1) No he didn't. He worked for private company contractors to the Department of Defense..
2) The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was closed down in 2012. Elizondo claimed he resigned in 2017, when in fact he was working for To the Stars Academy Limited, another private company. " however Mr Elizondo said that he had continued to work with officials from the Navy and the CIA on the program until he resigned from office in October." .

Matthew Ellard wrote:It has now dawned on you the Department of Defense has nothing to do with any of the videos.
JO 753 wrote: From the Heavy article:
To examine evidence, he told NPR that they would first make sure the videos were authentic and coming from a true Department of Defense platform. Next they would look at range, altitude, data on what the U.S. aircraft were doing, conditions, and other data. They would then cross-reference all their data to everything in the United States’ inventory.


Here are recent official government quotes you seem to have missed.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/scien ... 6521337651

Defence Intelligence Agency : Spokesman said: “There is some confusion about this program and claims about its purpose in press reporting ... the Defense Intelligence Agency has not released any information, files or videos.”

A Department of Defense spokesman said: “The AATIP’s mandate, when it existed, was to assess far-term foreign advanced aerospace threats to the United States.” ( Not alien UFOs)

“According to The Washington Post, Luis Elizondo essentially got the videos under somewhat false pretences.“He claimed he wanted to use the videos for training pilots. He didn’t say he wanted to use the videos to demonstrate that UFOs are real, which is what’s happening.

The UFO Video does not come from the Department of Defense. It came from Elizondo's private company To the Stars Academy five years after the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was closed. You are quoting Elizondo confirming that his own fake video is real. :lol:

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Matthew Ellard wrote: A Department of Defense spokesman said: “The AATIP’s mandate, when it existed, was to assess far-term foreign advanced aerospace threats to the United States.” ( Not alien UFOs)
I don't mean to quibble, but aliens would certainly qualify as 'foreign'.
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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by TJrandom » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:26 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote: A Department of Defense spokesman said: “The AATIP’s mandate, when it existed, was to assess far-term foreign advanced aerospace threats to the United States.” ( Not alien UFOs)
I don't mean to quibble, but aliens would certainly qualify as 'foreign'.
Naw... being endemic and numerous, they aren`t foreign at all, and claiming so gives feriners a bad name. They are just regular blokes - misunderstood of course, but native just the same. Sorta like those deplorables… ;)

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Major Malfunction » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:27 am

We don't want none of those illegal aliens coming into our cuntree and probing our arses! (later gets caught having his arse probed in a remote Arizona service station public toilet)
This being was produced using the same process as other beings, and therefore, may contain traces of nuts.

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Re: Harry Reid's UFO Investigation

Post by Gord » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:14 am

JO 753 wrote:I duz be tokkin bout you thankin Matt's bogus post.
It wasn't bogus, it was a real post with links and everything.

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