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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:35 pm

Why are you throwing onions on past lives? :cray:
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Post by Major Malfunction » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:42 pm

gorgeous wrote:
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do you have a mind that can be measured? no?...then you must not have a mind..
I'm a measured person. Are you?
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Post by gorgeous » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:43 pm

show me a mind
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No one is surprised by your search for one...
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gorgeous wrote:
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show me a mind
I've a mind to!
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Re: opinions on past lives?

Post by gorgeous » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:59 pm

all great thinkers believe in past lives
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Post by Major Malfunction » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:01 pm

Well, yeah. There were people that lived before them.
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gorgeous wrote:
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all great thinkers believe in past lives
And woo-blinded idiots, too! :lol:
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:52 pm

gorgeous wrote:
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all great thinkers believe in past lives
Ummm.....who would that be? NAMES, QUOTES, LINKS.

You have a list of "Famous Men" who verbalized reincarnation...but a quick review shows almost all of them to be poets. Need I say more? As to the others, they would have to be queried as to whether or not they were speaking in exasperation or metaphor.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:28 pm

It would not matter if some past celebrities did believe in reincarnation. So what ?

Isaac Newton was one of the greatest minds who ever lived, and he believed that the number 7 was Gods special number, so that the rainbow had to have 7 colors. He was wrong. So is any celebrity who believes in reincarnation.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:25 pm

gorgeous wrote: all great thinkers believe in past lives
You can't name one "great thinker" who does, can you?

Why do you lie all the time?

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:29 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:It would not matter if some past celebrities did believe in reincarnation. So what ?
The funny thing about reincarnation is that a person can't describe in any detail, what the claim actually is. The more you delve into any detailed claim, the more conflicts arise with other parts of the claim.

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Post by Major Malfunction » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:53 am

Honestly, how much more extra information do you think can you squeeze into a sperm?

I mean, it's already crammed-full of half the information required to build a complex living organism.

There's not a lot of free space left on that thumb-drive.

No wonder the memories are a bit sketchy. The required compression ratios are awful! :)
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Major Malfunction wrote:
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Honestly, how much more extra information do you think can you squeeze into a sperm?

I mean, it's already crammed-full of half the information required to build a complex living organism.

There's not a lot of free space left on that thumb-drive.

No wonder the memories are a bit sketchy. The required compression ratios are awful! :)
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Post by Major Malfunction » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 am

I know. (automatic eye-roll) I'm taking the piss.

Off-site wireless is obviously the way to go.

But then who controls your memories, and what when they get leaked?
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Post by TJrandom » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:11 am

But what is the communication protocol - TCP, Bluetooth, FTP, ack nak, simaphore?

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Post by Major Malfunction » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:21 am

IPX/SPX

Good old British Naval Connectors!

10Base-T co-ax.

Now THAT'S how you build a network! ;)
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Post by gorgeous » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:40 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:29 pm
Lance Kennedy wrote:It would not matter if some past celebrities did believe in reincarnation. So what ?
The funny thing about reincarnation is that a person can't describe in any detail, what the claim actually is. The more you delve into any detailed claim, the more conflicts arise with other parts of the claim.
------------read what the little kids said...details...
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Post by Major Malfunction » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:42 am

There's no chance they were coached.
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Post by Shuca » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:51 pm

Human ability to confabulate stories is wonderful and it can lead astray.

I remember reading interview with a one local past life regression therapist (Croatia, Zagreb) who claimed that one of his female clients remembered being a French nobleman Francois de Boccard living in late 18. century. In her ‘regression’ she ‘remembered’ the name, living in a court, flying a balloon and got killed in the balloon accident somewhere near the Alpes in his thirties. She later googled the name and found out that there was a nobleman Francois de Boccard who was born in 1764., but there was no data when and how he died.

I decided to look in that story in detail. I found the genealogy of the de Boccard family (de Fribourg, Switzerland) online. I also found that there were several guys with that name, but who died before the first flight with a balloon took place (1783). Also, I found some of them living happily until they died in their eighties. The only candidate left - François Joseph Nicolas Ignace de Boccard – was born in 1744 and died in 1819. In his data there was a year 1764. mentioned, but that was not his year of birth, it was a year when he became a captain… So, it seems that the girl didn’t read the data correctly…

So, this case is a simple demonstration how human imagination can lead us to a wrong conclusion. She probably read the name Francois de Boccard somewhere (she works for a cultural institute, I couldn’t get more info) and remember it during the regression therapy or she just made it up. In the latter scenario, I guess that the chances of finding an actual name from 18. century in the territory of France and Switzerland are big. But what is more important, the story details aren’t supported with the facts.

If we are to extrapolate from this example, we can conclude that it is more likely that stories like this one are only products of human misinterpretations and confabulations (sometimes even deliberate hoaxes) rather than factual events.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:40 pm

He said, she said, we said, they said, we all said said together. Where's the TREASURE?

like Jesus curing the sick: "They said they were ill."

Raising the dead: "They said he was dead."

..........see a pattern? Thats right: No Treasure.
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Post by gorgeous » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:05 pm

say reincarnation is real and these kids did die on 911 and are back...what about that?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:12 pm

I've already answered that G. "So What" about that? Are they smarter, more loving, more empathetic .....OR....are they just like any other kiddie that age with the only exception having a fanciful boring tale of zero import? If there is no difference, then what difference does it make?

Like god....he acts just like he doesn't exist....so I treat him that way.
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Post by gorgeous » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:40 pm

you feel people have no impact? sad...
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:45 pm

Thats not what I posted at all G. You know......THAT is sad. Adults not being able to read....teaching those kiddies how to turn suggestions into memories...........
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:21 pm

Gorgeous

It is about evidence. The standard for the evidence is that it must be scientifically acceptable. That means it must be of a quality that would permit it to be published in a reputable and peer reviewed scientific journal. Someone simply saying he or she remembers a past life is not acceptable.

If you found a person who claimed to remember a past life, who had testable knowledge that could not be achieved in any other way, that would be evidence. For example, if he or she said his or her past incarnation buried a doll under a rock, ten paces from a cliff, somewhere in another country where in the present incarnation they had never been, and investigations found that doll, that would be genuine evidence. So far you have posted nothing of more merit than assorted ravings.

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It is "all about evidence."
If you can't dismiss it, don't dismiss it.
If you can investigate it, investigate it.
If you can't do that, then just admit it remains unexplained for now.
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Post by gorgeous » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:08 pm

who had testable knowledge that could not be achieved in any other way, that would be evidence.-----------the kid knew details about the fire truck and their lingo...the firemen were shocked he knew the switches to push for lights and siren when he had no knowledge of the trucks at all...
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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I have no knowledge of fire trucks. But I bet that, given access to one, I could work out pretty damn quickly what switches to throw. Evidence needs to be real. And credible.

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Post by TJrandom » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:01 pm

Here we have an annual fire prevention week, where the firetrucks are on display and the kiddies get to put on a helmet and sit in the seat. I have always been tempted to join the line... :lol: There would be very few kids in Japan who by age 6 or 7 haven't participated.

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gorgeous wrote:show me a mind
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gorgeous wrote:------------read what the little kids said...details...
You copied and pasted the copyrighted work from "9/11 Reincarnation Stories: Children Who Claim Having Been at the WTC"
https://reincarnationafterdeath.com/911-stories/

There is no evidence that any story on that website is real and the website states it is a spiritual interpretation and not factual.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:03 am

gorgeous wrote: who had testable knowledge
The website that you copied the entire stories from did not testing and declares it is a spiritual interpretation.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:13 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:55 pm
I have no knowledge of fire trucks. But I bet that, given access to one, I could work out pretty damn quickly what switches to throw. Evidence needs to be real. And credible.
To G and her ilk, that would just be proof of your past life and your current denial of it. Here is the same idea in whoosh form: Lance! Stop denying your past life.

Simple. Would it were that humor was as obvious as switches on a fire truck. The evidence IS IN: Lance: NO PRIOR LIVES as a stand up comedian, sit down comedian, lay down comedian. in fact: no comedians at all.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:50 pm

The Earth is flat, and there were no past lives, because the entire Universe was created just now, this instant! *snap!*

With all history and memories of dead people implanted at the get-go, even tho' they never even ever actually existed...

It's an interesting hypothetical philosophical discussion. Kinda similar to Landrew's old spiel about True Skeptics(TM) never actually being able to make a decision, and me asking him how is he still alive if he can't choose what to eat for dinner.

Welcome to the Matrix, and the Devil put the dinosaur bones in the earth to trick us.

Same kinda logic.

There's no arguing with it. Because as long as you argue Pythagoras with a cow patty, it's not going to turn into a pyramid.
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Major Malfunction wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:50 pm

It's an interesting hypothetical philosophical discussion. Kinda similar to Landrew's old spiel about True Skeptics(TM) never actually being able to make a decision, and me asking him how is he still alive if he can't choose what to eat for dinner.
I make plenty of good decisions because I've refrained from the quick verdict where possible, so that my decisions are better informed. Quick verdicts have their place, but we're not all firefighters here, and sometimes a bit of consideration before rendering an opinion makes us wiser, or seem so anyway.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:27 pm

To be fair, landrew, most opinions expressed by the competent skeptics on this forum are not quick verdicts. Most of us have thought about these things for years, if not decades.

And done a lot of reading on the appropriate empirical evidence.

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Major Malfunction wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:50 pm
The Earth is flat, and there were no past lives, because the entire Universe was created just now, this instant! *snap!*

With all history and memories of dead people implanted at the get-go, even tho' they never even ever actually existed...

It's an interesting hypothetical philosophical discussion. Kinda similar to Landrew's old spiel about True Skeptics(TM) never actually being able to make a decision, and me asking him how is he still alive if he can't choose what to eat for dinner.

Welcome to the Matrix, and the Devil put the dinosaur bones in the earth to trick us.

Same kinda logic.

There's no arguing with it. Because as long as you argue Pythagoras with a cow patty, it's not going to turn into a pyramid.
Beautifully put, MM! There is, of course, no way to refute the proposition that I was created five minutes ago suffering from arthritis and needing a haircut, and of course, remembering a long life in which I had three children and five grandchildren.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:34 pm

Oh, but those memories of conditions are only a test all souls waiting to be unleashed have to agree to beforehand.
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