Young blood into the wealthy elderly

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Young blood into the wealthy elderly

Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:15 am

Reference. New Scientist. 30 September 2017, page 39

It has been known for many years that joining the blood systems of an old and a young mouse will cause the old mouse to show signs of reverting to robust youth. Of course, joining the blood systems of two humans is not realistic, so the idea of young blood transfused into older people came about. Experiments with animals indicated this would have benefits.

A "trial " is currently under way. For $US 8,000, a person can get two litres of young blood transfused into his or her. There is some doubt as to whether this can be called a proper trial. For example, there is no control group. So we must ask if it is simply a way to make money. Certainly, older wealthy people have turned up in numbers for the treatment. To do the 'researchers ' a little credit there is more evidence for this treatment than other treatments supposed to restore youth. At least it has been found to give benefits in animal tests. So far there are claims of significant benefits, but that could, of course, be the placebo effect.

How does it work ? Three possible mechanisms.
1. For mice joined together, the older mouse gets the benefit of better heart to pump blood and better kidneys and liver to make the quality of the blood better.
2. Possibly young blood contains protein factors for health and vigor.
3. Old blood may contain materials that cause inflammation and other harm. Diluting this may help.

This work may lead to alternative ways of helping older people, if we learn exactly what creates the benefits. For example, methods of reducing harmful substances or increasing levels of helpful substances might come about. The current situation will carry an ethical question.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:07 am

One would think at that price, it shouldn't become a yuge business.* Unless the platinum members after repeal and replace have it covered by their insurances.

But yeah, will the blood banks be well enough stocked to save the grandchild of those rejuvenated ones if it catches on?



* What am I saying - just look at the prices and boom of nip-tucks... :duh:
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:32 am

Lance: excellent summary. "3. Old blood may contain materials that cause inflammation and other harm. Diluting this may help." /// "Inflamation" and "radicals" is a field still wide open for discoveries. I wonder "if I were filthy rich" if I might invest in a dialysis machine to hook into when time permitted? Really give that blood a good washing. I recall early action on Aids noted that aids positive patient blood could be "filtered" through dialysis to actually kill or remove the infected cells greatly inhibiting any ill affects from the disease. Just too expensive and impracticable.

Always amuses me when very rich people die from simple ignorance re basic healthcare/life-extension principles. I'm not a germaphobe and think I am strengthening my immune system by eating food that has fallen on the floor......but I do need to keep working on not rubbing my eyes with my fingers.

I absolutely believe there is a range from simple and cheap to complex and expensive things that can be done to increase health/longevity.................we just don't know what they are.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:50 am

Bobbo

Try exercise and a well balanced diet.

On dialysis.
Yes, that has possibilities, but it is too much of a hassle, and too painful, for most people. Maybe if a better system can be designed..........

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:53 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Bobbo

Try exercise and a well balanced diet.

On dialysis.
Yes, that has possibilities, but it is too much of a hassle, and too painful, for most people. Maybe if a better system can be designed..........
Yeah....a few months ago some health nut who exercised and was on a specific calorie deficient diet died........forget why. The issue I raised was how MONEY not common sense had potential.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:21 am

Anything that reliably transfers wealth from the old to the young is fine with me as long as it doesn't cause harm.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:09 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I do need to keep working on not rubbing my eyes with my fingers.
Try using your elbows. :oldman:
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Post by Nikki Nyx » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:21 am

Sounds like someone was reading Heinlein, specifically Methuselah's Children, which centers around the Howard Families persecution by the short-lived...until they discover that transfusions from young donors extend the lives of older recipients.
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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:28 am

how would this be done ?
direct thru one tube , or thru a machine / pump ?

ew , looked it up - there is a way of connecting veins , so I guess someone would want more than minimum wage for that

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Post by gorgeous » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:33 am

elites and royals have drunk blood for a very long time...Al Gore with Clinton on the campaign road was asked why he had jars of blood in his suitcase....
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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:15 am

gorgeous wrote:elites and royals have drunk blood for a very long time...Al Gore with Clinton on the campaign road was asked why he had jars of blood in his suitcase....
kind of - off topic

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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:04 am

The wealthy would be expected to provide their own fangs.

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Post by TJrandom » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:54 am

Maybe I`ll sign up as a donor... :lol:

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Post by Gord » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:55 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:
gorgeous wrote:elites and royals have drunk blood for a very long time...Al Gore with Clinton on the campaign road was asked why he had jars of blood in his suitcase....
kind of - off topic
gorgeous is like that. Kind of off.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:55 am

gorgeous wrote:.Al Gore with Clinton on the campaign road was asked why he had jars of blood in his suitcase....
Complete crap from start to finish. Alex Jones on Infowars made up this story on air. There is no basis to this story and Gorgeous has forgotten that blood needs to be refrigerated and not just carried around in a suitcase. .

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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:16 am

what if 2 people were hooked up to the same kidney dialysis machine ?

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:37 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote:what if 2 people were hooked up to the same kidney dialysis machine ?
You'd be imagining dialysis machines that don't exist?
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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:51 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:what if 2 people were hooked up to the same kidney dialysis machine ?
You'd be imagining dialysis machines that don't exist?
just hook 2 machines together - easy squeezy

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Post by psychiatry is a scam » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:07 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
psychiatry is a scam wrote:what if 2 people were hooked up to the same kidney dialysis machine ?
You'd be imagining dialysis machines that don't exist?
exactly someone should patent it ; joe864 could probably make a prototype.
could use a dialysis machine to just move blood - WOULD NOT need the cleaning parts.

think about it - 1 , 3 , 6 young people and one billionaire with say BREATHING problems .
all breathing 23% oxygen - all mixing their blood with the one machine .

how long does it take the heart to do a complete cycle ?

could be a miracle cure for everything