Alleged Zero-Emissions Paradox

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Alleged Zero-Emissions Paradox

Post by Tom Palven » Mon May 21, 2018 8:14 am

" Zero-emission vehicles are only as clean as the electric power sources they plug into. Given the electricity fuel mix reasonably projected by the Energy Information Administration between now and 2050, both nitrogen oxide and sulfur dioxide emissions from the power plants supplying zero-emission vehicles will exceed the emissions from new internal combustion vehicles.

"The study also finds that the carbon dioxide emission reductions achieved by zero-emission vehicles, even if all are powered by renewable sources, would be too small to detectably affect global temperatures and thus have no measurable economic value.
In contrast, the costs of federal and state subsidies for zero-emission vehicles and associated infrastructure are both real and substantial. “In California alone, the total cost of ZEV subsidies, including federal tax credits and state rebates for ZEV purchases, as well as subsidies for private and public charging infrastructure, is likely to exceed $100 billion,” Lesser writes in his study. Such policies also raise serious equity concerns, because the subsidies transfer wealth from lower- and middle-income households to wealthier households." ... ion-study/
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Re: Alleged Zero-Emissions Paradox

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon May 21, 2018 3:43 pm

Sounds like more effort/subsidies are needed to create zero pollution energy sources.......even as they are coming on board faster than earlier estimated. else does society change?

..................look at the subsidies for Big Oil/Nuke.

..................100 billion sounds high to me..........

Once people finally agree AGW is going to kill us all, the cost to switch to Green is going to far exceed the billions spent today.........and sadly, won't advert great damage that could have been avoided except for off center diversionary issues like this one. aka: the import is NOT do away with subsidies/support/research but rather how to spend the Bucks more effectively.
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Re: Alleged Zero-Emissions Paradox

Post by Gord » Wed May 23, 2018 9:35 am

Hmm. Foundation for Economic Eduation is a libertarian economic think-tank, the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is a conservative think tank, and Jonathan Lesser is the president of president of Continental Economics and seems to be associated somehow with the Heritage Foundation, another conservative public policy think tank.

While he might have a point about "zero-emission vehicles [being] only as clean as the electric power sources they plug into," that is not a reason to stop subsidising ZEVs; it's a reason to stop using coal to produce the electricity that powers them.

The problem is, he's an economist and a Conservative. He probably doesn't care about the most important goal of ZEVs, which is to provide a means to reduce emissions. In order to reduce emissions, society needs to shift from its heavily polluting power sources. Having the vehicles available to do that is a primary element in achieving that goal. Getting rid of coal is another primary element. While doing one without doing the other is a waste of resources, it doesn't mean you should abandon the one you're managing to do -- it means you need to work harder to achieve the other goal(s) as well.
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Re: Alleged Zero-Emissions Paradox

Post by landrew » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:50 pm

"Springtime for rebates and subsidies..."
Winter when it all ends.
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