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You got me, Jo. Thanks.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:03 pm

Youre welkum.

Can you giv us more examplez uv how US biznessez and the gummit are coluding in taking advantaj uv Canadian citizenz?
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Scott Mayers wrote: My problem, as is the rest of the world's is that you get BS claims by American patriots of how morally superior and loved by everyone (and GOD!) while your screwing others.
Yes, there are some Americans that think this way. Some are cognizant of how much other people are suffering due to the US's actions, but the majority of Americans who think that Americans are morally good and loved don't realize the negative impact of the US's actions.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:09 am

Scott Mayers wrote:Matthew,I didn't state anything that required a degree in economics.
Scott Mayers three days ago wrote:American investors force us to pay more for both your products as well as our own to an average of 20-100% markup EVEN while our dollars are on par! Canadian owned businesses are even required to charge more to its citizens and under-price them for American consumers.
Comparative market analysis is a function of economics. I contract to prosecute international thin capitalisation schemes, where domestic taxation variations allows for arbitrage profit, sometimes reflected in local wholesale pricing. This requires a degree in economics and is the concern of your claim.
Scott Mayers wrote: I was airing how the perception of Americans by Americans is unusually arrogant in their presumed superior morality with respect to how they behave towards the rest of the world.
I just came back from Moscow. They have the same attitude. It's human, not "American".
Scott Mayers wrote: And no, what you presume about other countries in regards to patriotism is false. For the most part, most countries do NOT place their flags in windows as if their Nation itself is a religion.
The Russian flag and the hammer & sickle sit in windows, in every train station, on air ducts, on man hole covers....everywhere. The Russians have just opened the nationalistic First Patriotic War Museum ( defeat of Napoleon). You need to travel more. See the hammer & sickle in the Moscow Metro air duct grill? It's brand new. Think about it.
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Scott Mayers wrote: It is actually due to their economic (as well as political) power to actually affect the rest of the world while not believing they have to be accountable for the results of those behaviors.
You are about thirty years out of date. Australia's economic partners are China and Japan. Germany's partner is Russia. The USA is a country of consumers with disposable income, that's all.
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Post by JO 753 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:07 am

So thats wut back bacon iz!
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Matthew Ellard wrote:...The USA is a country of consumers with disposable income credit, that's all.
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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:30 pm

Matthew,
I'm not in any necessary disagreement with you. My point concerned the perception with regards to the average citizen. Since it is mostly motivated by economic differences, that is why I posted it here. It could easily fit in with politics in general as well.

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I can assure you that most of those tats are likely related to hockey sports fans (usually fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs), especially in one province, Ontario, which isn't representative of most of us here. It is unlikely, for instance that you'd see anyone anywhere have a flag in their window nor any flag posts. In fact, I live in Saskatoon with an approximate population of 240 000 people and you might literally find only a handful of this anywhere and when you do, you would likely find that the fewer American nationalists here have just as many if not more than that same few. Certainly, either way, it would be severely odd to find any flag post at someone's residence.
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Scott Mayers wrote:Matthew,
I'm not in any necessary disagreement with you. My point concerned the perception with regards to the average citizen. Since it is mostly motivated by economic differences, that is why I posted it here. It could easily fit in with politics in general as well.
Indeed, it is a matter of perception. America has produced the majority of English language television. You speak English and watch television. You will perceive more Americans displaying nationalistic behaviour for that reason. Meanwhile in Moscow, where Russian speakers are watching "In Moscow Tonight with Ivan Urgent" Ivan makes fun of other Moscovites hanging Russian flags on chairs, their children's prams and on toilet walls. He is doing what you are doing as "comedy" about Russian nationalism.

If you were a Marxist-Leninist leaning socialist you would understand that the intelligentsia should perceive unwarranted nationalism as a common enemy of all peoples. To characterise nationalism as the unique failing of a particular state is not logical nor objective, as all humans do it. It was Stalin who ended the Comintern and stated "Socialism in one country" and thus a return to Russian nationalism in 1929 against the goals of Lenin and the 1917 Bolshevik Duma.

Believe it or not but I see equitable and homogeneous international taxation in a moderate capitalistic environment as one of the best methods of bringing moderate socialism and harmony to the whole world with the least reduction of individual human rights & freedoms. I hate nationalism.

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Post by fromthehills » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:41 am

Scott Mayers wrote:

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I can assure you that most of those tats are likely related to hockey sports fans (usually fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs), especially in one province, Ontario, which isn't representative of most of us here. It is unlikely, for instance that you'd see anyone anywhere have a flag in their window nor any flag posts. In fact, I live in Saskatoon with an approximate population of 240 000 people and you might literally find only a handful of this anywhere and when you do, you would likely find that the fewer American nationalists here have just as many if not more than that same few. Certainly, either way, it would be severely odd to find any flag post at someone's residence.

Well, as far as I see, same here. I rarely see ol' glory …anywhere. I see nonsense bumper stickers now and then, I do see an occasional flag, we do have a few folks that display some such things. But that's my point. We have them, you have them. We have more people, so perhaps a higher number. We also have more people, and more press. Perhaps if you think more critically upon these things you might see the correlation. I probably see the American flag as often, or possibly less due to region, than you see a maple leaf.


And, so what? It's our country, we can fly a symbol of it where ever we please. I can tattoo a bald eagle on my ass, and it wouldn't mean I'm anti-Canadian. I'm not going to fight a guy at the bar because he wears a {!#%@} maple leaf. I have no love for patriotism, and I'm a veteran. The last I checked we were on the same team. You are acting like Obama is Kim Jong Un, and we're treating Canada like some subservient culture. That's crazy. Some blue haired Southerner flies a flag, and you think we are creating a culture of chauvinism? {!#%@} ridiculous, and far more prejudice than many Americans that I know.

Funny enough, I don't judge the Canadians on this message board by your example. Once they shave their backs they look just like normal Americans. And same for Canadian men. Love you guys. Keep paying for our gasoline, please.

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Jesus was American, that's good enough for me. :lol:
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Post by JO 753 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:32 pm

Little known factoid: America iz actually a continent, not a country. The common practice uv refering to The United States az America iz really only a pet name, like 'snookumz' or 'koochy koo'.
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fromthehills wrote:
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fromthehills,
I can assure you that most of those tats are likely related to hockey sports fans (usually fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs), especially in one province, Ontario, which isn't representative of most of us here. It is unlikely, for instance that you'd see anyone anywhere have a flag in their window nor any flag posts. In fact, I live in Saskatoon with an approximate population of 240 000 people and you might literally find only a handful of this anywhere and when you do, you would likely find that the fewer American nationalists here have just as many if not more than that same few. Certainly, either way, it would be severely odd to find any flag post at someone's residence.

Well, as far as I see, same here. I rarely see ol' glory …anywhere. I see nonsense bumper stickers now and then, I do see an occasional flag, we do have a few folks that display some such things. But that's my point. We have them, you have them. We have more people, so perhaps a higher number. We also have more people, and more press. Perhaps if you think more critically upon these things you might see the correlation. I probably see the American flag as often, or possibly less due to region, than you see a maple leaf.


And, so what? It's our country, we can fly a symbol of it where ever we please. I can tattoo a bald eagle on my ass, and it wouldn't mean I'm anti-Canadian. I'm not going to fight a guy at the bar because he wears a {!#%@} maple leaf. I have no love for patriotism, and I'm a veteran. The last I checked we were on the same team. You are acting like Obama is Kim Jong Un, and we're treating Canada like some subservient culture. That's crazy. Some blue haired Southerner flies a flag, and you think we are creating a culture of chauvinism? {!#%@} ridiculous, and far more prejudice than many Americans that I know.

Funny enough, I don't judge the Canadians on this message board by your example. Once they shave their backs they look just like normal Americans. And same for Canadian men. Love you guys. Keep paying for our gasoline, please.

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What I think that you don't recognize is that pride for one's own does imply a disrespect for others. You can witness this when you see someone go over the top after a win where they gloat with serious disrespect towards the loser even though they can declare that they mean no harm towards the losers. Their unusually heightened emotional expression for their gain demonstrates their true sincerity of disdain for others even if their words deny this. People seem to think that semantics do not count.

This is the case with the way (some -> most) Americans come across because they are so emotionally driven in regards to certain issues. Check out any video on our own Prime Minister as an example. If you see how he holds himself on the political stage, even though he has passion for what he believes in, he is obliged to check his emotional expressions so as to not show bias for his logical explanation of it. And Stephen Harper is a conservative akin to Bush's ideology!

Conversely, when others external to America speak without the same emotional passion they witness from themselves, they falsely presume that those who propose them are not to be taken seriously. Instead, you focus on those who get so fed up with such ignorance that they blow up and act unusually violent. Instead of listening to their particular issues, you focus on their emotional expression of it. I find it so odd, for instance, how nearly universally that juries in your courts pass judgements on people's thoughts or intentions by referencing the way they appear to be according to an assumption that everyone should have a passion to express themselves appropriately. It's not, so-and-so is guilty or innocent; it's how so-and-so is acting guilty! Because of this, it is fair to draw the conclusion that Americans place more importance on how they express themselves with words more than the necessary logic of the words themselves. So when your leaders express how God loves America, they are more likely emoting how they feel superior with respect to others; otherwise, it is superfluous and not essential. And this apparent zealous pride is thus communicating disdain for the 'others'.

It is NOT simply the case that we have only ten percent of your population here in Canada that explains this either because while, for instance, no more than a literal 25/250,000 (0.01%) people in my city alone actually have flag posts in their yards, even 2500/250,000 American homes representing a relatively low 10% is significant. [No, these are not actual measures. But I too have lived in the heart of America to experience that this does exist. AND I was never a tourist either.]
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I read all of that. And I understood all of the words, but not in that order. What are you saying?

Do you get your info on America from our popular television programs? I really am not against proper criticism of the US. We do have a lot of BS to be less than proud of. I'm just not relating to anything you are actually trying to say. Something maybe about the US being typically Christian, perhaps. I agree, that's got to go. Juries? Have you participated in our jury system? I have, and I actually saw people trying to make the right decision based on evidence, even though I really thought they'd go off of emotion.

Most people I know show some sort of aversion to the US government. Whether from right or left. Too many laws, not enough laws. Whatever. Last I checked; no one saying "{!#%@} Canada". Except me, but I just like saying it because you guys don't really give a {!#%@}.

You can certainly make good arguments against US foreign policy, or US christian leanings, or US power, whatever. You just aren't making those cogent arguments. You are sounding like an impassioned student, and that's good, but figuring out solutions to what you see as problems, and being open to critique would be far better.

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Post by Scott Mayers » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:39 am

You have to begin somewhere, fromthehills. I just got here and this is just one thread. I grant my own emotional passions to my American experiences and am grateful for it. I am definitely not representative of most of my Canadian neighbors as they wouldn't even care to discuss these issues. But this is not a thread about Canadians in particular. I may use particular examples from my Canadian environment to try to make a case for discussion but this is not about Canadians vs. Americans. What if I told you that I was actually American born and raised instead? Then my argument still stands. Or ...would I all of a sudden be accused of being unpatriotic to question our government?
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Post by kennyc » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:47 am

fromthehills wrote:I read all of that. And I understood all of the words, but not in that order. What are you saying?

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He does seem to have an issue with getting to the point and communicating clearly both here and in the "theoretical physics" thread.... :roll: :roll:
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Scott wrote:Or ...would I all of a sudden be accused of being unpatriotic to question our government?
I'm pretty sure most of us on this board question the government. I questioned the government while in the US Army. As I've said, questioning is fine. Pointing out problems is fine. Pointing out actual problems based in fact, and presenting solutions is the only way you'll get any respect.

Here's a fun fact. Canadian corporation Lexam owns the mineral rights under the wildlife reserve that I live next to. Every ten years or so they threaten to drill for oil, or strip mine for gold, which would devastate the place and ruin our very nice aquifer, and wipe out an elk herd of around a thousand. The community fights against it, Lexam offers the rights for sale, no one has the money, and they walk away making a nice fat paycheck off of their investors, while the company shows a loss. Apparently, they own chunks of mineral rights all over the US, mostly useless, and pretty much do the same thing with all of them. Threatening locals that they're going to {!#%@} up the place unless someone buys them out. It goes to court for years, costing the community a great deal of time and money. It's like Canadian mafia.

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fromthehills wrote:
Scott wrote:Or ...would I all of a sudden be accused of being unpatriotic to question our government?
I'm pretty sure most of us on this board question the government. I questioned the government while in the US Army. As I've said, questioning is fine. Pointing out problems is fine. Pointing out actual problems based in fact, and presenting solutions is the only way you'll get any respect.
Mmmm.
Really?
Could be…
Me? I cheerfully admit to being blind to all the fact and solutions to problems that you suggest appear here.
And f you have seen any or even one, hey… who am I to dispute it: we ALL see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear anyway.
Isn't that the remarkable human talent that allows us to create, even momentarily, the personal, angst- free comfort zones in which we can permit ourselves the fragile conviction that we are rational beings?

So I have no desire to argue with you other than to mention the purely personal note that if I saw any signs of an "US " in my "ME", in a cyber forum, especially one with no means test (anyone with a computer, a user name, a password, just sign up and dive in) I would have to retool… for another kind of life.
But that's neither here nor there. .
There are bigger fish to fry in the rest of what I think is the really important subject you raise about what is happening in your community, as it is all over the United States. And in Canada, and in the underdeveloped nations of Africa, Asia, Latin America… in short the whole world:
Here's a fun fact. Canadian corporation Lexam owns the mineral rights under the wildlife reserve that I live next to. Every ten years or so they threaten to drill for oil, or strip mine for gold, which would devastate the place and ruin our very nice aquifer, and wipe out an elk herd of around a thousand. The community fights against it, Lexam offers the rights for sale, no one has the money, and they walk away making a nice fat paycheck off of their investors, while the company shows a loss. Apparently, they own chunks of mineral rights all over the US, mostly useless, and pretty much do the same thing with all of them. Threatening locals that they're going to {!#%@} up the place unless someone buys them out. It goes to court for years, costing the community a great deal of time and money. It's like Canadian mafia.
I don't know how much fun that fact is.
Because the truth and a tragic one, not only for us, but for the Canadians as well, is that the Corporation that has aroused your personal anathema and deepened your community's s despair, is not really Canadian.
Just as the entities that are at present abusing and depleting Canada's environment and resources are not really American.
Because while we are all actually in agreement that the globalization of consumer goods is terrible (even as we wallow like pigs in {!#%@} among our cheap purchases) the REAL globalization, the dangerous globalization that has been taking place for almost hundred years (since the end of WWI) as corporations that control large industry and national resources are less and less really identifiable by nationality: they are multinational with boards of directors to match… and could not exist to do their irresponsible damage without the collusion of governments.

There really has been no such thing as a purely national corporation of any power and moment for the last half -century…
Multi national, and with directors who are non-identifiable: that is the modern industrial, agricultural, or resource related corporation.
And with the collusion of the various governments without which collusion they could not exist much less survive.
So while "Canadian Mafia" does have a ring to it, and the disasters would be much easier to comprehend were it so, the real story is something much more Byzantine, more ominous, and much uglier.
And more difficult to comprehend OR to excise from our environmental (and thus political) and economic, reality.

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Norma wrote:(even as we wallow like pigs in {!#%@} among our cheap purchases)

Very nicely put.

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Here's something different: Here in Saskatchewan, we have the second-largest quantity of Uranium outside of Russia. Yet, we don't have a single nuclear power plant nor any major facilities to reduce it. Just recently on our news, China has finally decided to go nuclear (bad smog!!) and their purchasing from us! Or, as Norma was saying, those International Corporations, like Cameco, for instance. At least we get a royalty on the ore. Is that the same in the U.S.?
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kennyc wrote:Jesus was American, that's good enough for me. :lol:
He also spoke English.
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Post by JO 753 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:41 pm

Scott Mayers wrote:Here's something different: Here in Saskatchewan, we have the second-largest quantity of Uranium outside of Russia.
Not according to Wiki. This showz Australia having the most by far and Canada with a little more than Russia.
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Pshhhhhh

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Post by fromthehills » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:37 am

Listening to A Wordy Shipmate written and narrated by Sarah Vowel, today. She quoted Reagan saying, well, something like, " I know in my heart that I didn't trade weapons with Iran in exchange for hostages, but the facts and evidence show otherwise."

The US election Reagan in a landslide, and many right-wingers , now, think he was the {!#%@}. I understand the animosity. Just don't try to BS us with nonsense. Point out the actual problems, then present actual solutions.

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JO 753 wrote:
Scott Mayers wrote:Here's something different: Here in Saskatchewan, we have the second-largest quantity of Uranium outside of Russia.
Not according to Wiki. This showz Australia having the most by far and Canada with a little more than Russia.
According to Cameco and other sources, Canada was the largest until 2009; the company also explains that we have the highest grade form Uranium in the world. But they and other companies working with them here also own the new ones in Australia too. (Multinational companies based here in Saskatoon.)
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Scott Mayers wrote:According to Cameco and other sources, Canada was the largest until 2009
Can you show me a link to that? I contract to Austrade We knew we had the world's largest deposits since the 70s before we separated from the UK. We started mining Uranium in 1954.

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Just you guys make sure you're talking about the same thing...Reserves or production?

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nmblum wrote: Isn't that the remarkable human talent that allows us to create, even momentarily, the personal, angst- free comfort zones in which we can permit ourselves the fragile conviction that we are rational beings?
This has the makings of an excellent quote :) I like the sentiment behind it.

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Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:40 am

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Scott Mayers wrote:According to Cameco and other sources, Canada was the largest until 2009
Can you show me a link to that? I contract to Austrade We knew we had the world's largest deposits since the 70s before we separated from the UK. We started mining Uranium in 1954.
It was a simple google search on my end. But here it is: http://www.cameco.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and here for more particular details: http://www.cameco.com/mining/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .
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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:42 am

BHP Billiton, ARMZ/Uranium One,and Paladin and Areva, are also here and they often share mines. I'm confused at which names represent mines or companies here.
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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Matthew Ellard » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:26 am

Scott Mayers wrote:BHP Billiton, ARMZ/Uranium One,and Paladin and Areva, are also here and they often share mines. I'm confused at which names represent mines or companies here.
It doesn't matter whose doing the mining. The uranium is in the ground and is an asset of Australia. That's why in the 1950s, when the UK tested nuclear weapons here, that we determined our national reserves.

(So did every other country....very quickly.....for obvious reasons)

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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Scott Mayers » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:28 pm

What is true about Australia is true about Canada too in this regard. I'm not sure if the States has the same way of doing it though? Where mineral rights of our countries means that ores from our land are owned by the people as a whole, unless things have changed, I understood that Americans who own their properties have sole mineral rights to it.
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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:58 pm

Not necessarily. Mineral rights can be held by someone other than the current owner.

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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Poodle » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:20 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Not necessarily. Mineral rights can be held by someone other than the current owner.

A quick read.
Yep - that's just about identical to the way mineral rights are dealt with in the UK. The only difference (if, indeed, there is one - but it isn't mentioned in the article) is that if any extraction activity causes damage (subsidence and such things) to the overlying property, there's going to be a hefty financial claim going through court.

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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:03 am

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scrmbldggs wrote:Not necessarily. Mineral rights can be held by someone other than the current owner.

A quick read.
Yep - that's just about identical to the way mineral rights are dealt with in the UK. The only difference (if, indeed, there is one - but it isn't mentioned in the article) is that if any extraction activity causes damage (subsidence and such things) to the overlying property, there's going to be a hefty financial claim going through court.
I would imagine something similar could be the case here. As the article says:
If the mineral rights were sold off, the owner of the mineral rights would have the right to exercise those rights subject to your daughter's rights to use her home. In other words, the oil or gas company might not have the right to do anything on your daughter's land that would deprive her of her use, damage her home or take any action that would force her to move from the home.
Subsidence could deprive the owner of use, etc. It would seem the land/home owner is protected to some extend and might have the right to take legal actions if those rights are infringed upon.


Unless any additional rules, laws and practices might prevent that.
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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Kaepora Gaebora » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:59 am

You know what I heard about what people outside of the US think about the US?

Not much. They don't center their focus on us.

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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Poodle » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:36 am

Kaepora Gaebora wrote:You know what I heard about what people outside of the US think about the US?

Not much. They don't center their focus on us.
I'm not so sure about that - the US (and its actions) does have a pretty strong influence on the rest of the world at the moment. But that, I think, isn't the point here. The OP, in my opinion, has fallen into a trap. I do not for one moment think that all Americans (US citizens) have the same attitudes. Similarly, I don't think that synthesising an overall 'non-American' attitude to America represents any kind of reality.

Do non-Americans have a problem with America? Some non-Americans do, some non-Americans don't. Some non-Americans need a lot of lovin' and some non-Americans don't. Know what I mean?

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Post by JO 753 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:44 am

I am an American who haz lots uv problemz with America.

Ayatolla Komeini call America The Great Satan. No shortaj uv evidens to back that up.
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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Poodle » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:47 am

Sorry for the edit. Jo - it was only a small one. Britain (and particularly the English) was also the devil once. So was Rome. It's the nature of the beast - if you're perceived as 'top dog' then you're in for it.

But that doesn't make it true, nor does it mean that the entire non-American world really is on your back.

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Re: Why non-Americans have a problem with America...

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:25 am

Sweeping generalization in the subject line amuses me. Every non-American has the same issues with every American. No.
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