A Case for Blue Collar Work

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A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:16 am

A case for learning a trade rather than pursuing a college degree:
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Post by TJrandom » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:14 pm

It isn’t either go to college or work manually. Rather that even a person with advanced education needs skills too. I have an MBA and do my own plumbing, electrical, carpentry, ditch digging, etc. In fact it was manual labor that paid for the education. A bit atypical maybe, but I knew many who followed the same path.

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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:42 pm

TJrandom wrote:
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It isn’t either go to college or work manually. Rather that even a person with advanced education needs skills too. I have an MBA and do my own plumbing, electrical, carpentry, ditch digging, etc. In fact it was manual labor that paid for the education. A bit atypical maybe, but I knew many who followed the same path.
That's true, and the flip-side of that is that not having a college degree doesn't prevent anyone from becoming educated.

Examples are that neither Thomas Edison nor the Wright brothers graduated from high school, but they learned the 3 R's well enough that Edison invented most everything and became chairman of Consolidated Edison, and the Wright brothers invented aeronautical engineering and created the successful Wright Aviation company.

And learning plumbing work, for example can possibly lead to ownership of a very lucrative plumbing company if one puts in the effort, which, again, doesn't prevent anyone from becoming educated.
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by TJrandom » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:47 pm

Only the uneducated look down on the educated. IMO, those who are educated and look down on the uneducated missed becoming educated.

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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by Tom Palven » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:56 pm

TJrandom wrote:
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Only the uneducated look down on the educated.

IMO, those who are educated and look down on the uneducated missed becoming educated.
Yes to both.

To which I would add Mark Twain's semi-serious comment, "Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned." (He did, after all, pay the tuition of the first black student to attend Yale law school, although he didn't graduate from high school himself.)
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by landrew » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:08 pm

A formal education mostly shows that you are smart enough to get a formal education. That's all most employers care about.
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by TJrandom » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:54 pm

When employed, I actually used quite a bit of what I learned through the MBA, and of course then better understood what those I worked with were saying.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:15 pm

How successful you are in life and bizness correlated most closely to intelligence.

The higher your education level achieved correlates to how well socialized you are.

Exceptions of course..........thats what correlation means.
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Post by landrew » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:09 pm

Not that closely correlated.
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

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Look up Mike Rowe and his efforts in this issue.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:48 pm

When I finished my Air Force duties, I was qualified to do three things: fly airplanes, pump gas, and babysit. The airlines weren't hiring, gas pumps went self service, and no body would allow a 26 year old beer drinking wise ass to babysit their kiddies...........and while I could "do" that job, I really had no interest..............

What to do?

My memory of those days is that the job market was not that tight even though I had no skills. Ha, ha.........what youthful optimism I possessed. Well, I went back to school to get a degree that lead to a job..........but..........I almost went into the trades to buy and renovate houses. and if I were facing the job market I see today, I think that still makes a lot of sense. Lots of competition, but thats always the case........the upside potential and response to paying attention, character, and expertise is still there and not subject to "foreign" competition or automation as everything else is. Plus........something satisfying in working with your hands, not found in paperwork.

I pity the kiddies.
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:33 am

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How successful you are in life and bizness correlated most closely to intelligence.
No. That's not true. It is unique combinations of intelligence, education and hands on experience, matching the unique business environment that allows for success in business.

I had to study this in industrial and organisational psychology . Oddly, the concept ended up as a plot line in Star Trek



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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:05 am

I studied the issue as well in my Psych classes. What I mostly remember was the different shaped bell shaped curves all having very intelligent people in every occupation/success that was identified. The lower intelligent people were found were you might think they would be and the averages (mean, median, mode) also varied as you might guess. Thats why its only a loose correlation........I assume it hasn't changed? When everyone in a given occupation has the same education ....what makes for different success?
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by fromthehills » Fri May 03, 2019 7:31 pm

I just chatted with a guy about a guest on his podcast that claimed to have read the Encyclopedia Brittanica, in its entirety, as a child. I did, as well. He became a history professor at the infamous BYU. I became a carpenter. He said, “ intelligence is rarely correlated to occupation”.

Now, the insinuation of me being intelligent nearly caused me to believe the claim. It’s funny i just happened to find this thread as I was opening a browser to see if there was data to back that claim. So, I am wondering if intelligence “rarely” correlates to occupation. It’s an easy thing to believe. We have some of the dumbest people in the world in lead government positions. And sometimes one meets a fairly smart carpenter.

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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by gorgeous » Fri May 03, 2019 7:37 pm

can make a fortune doing stupid stunts, playing video games, reviewing toys.........highest-paid YouTubers, according to Forbes.

•Logan Paul – $14.5 million. ...
•PewDiePie – $15.5 million. ...
•Jacksepticeye – $16 million. ...
•VanossGaming – $17 million. ...
•Markiplier – $17.5 million. ...
•Jeffree Star – $18 million. ...
•DanTDM – $18.5 million.
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by gorgeous » Fri May 03, 2019 7:39 pm

Let's take a look at 10 savants with superhuman mental skills:

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2.Leslie Lemke. ...
3.Alonzo Clemons. ...
4.Gottfried Mind: Cat's Raphael. ...
5.Gilles Tréhin. ...
6.Jedediah Buxton. ...
7.Orlando Serrell. ...
8.Stephen Wiltshire, the Human Camera.
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Re: A Case for Blue Collar Work

Post by gorgeous » Fri May 03, 2019 7:49 pm

plenty of rappers and other celebrities are not well educated but very successful , porn star Jenna Jameson---net worth $30.000.000
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Post by gorgeous » Fri May 03, 2019 7:57 pm

1. Ryan ToysReview – $22 million

The No. 1 earner on YouTube this year is not your average millionaire — far from it. He's a 7-year-old boy named Ryan who reviews toys for other kids.------ Forbes reports he now has his own line of collectibles selling at Walmart.
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How 20-Year-Old Kylie Jenner Built A $900 Million Fortune In Less ...


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Thanks to Ulta, Kylie Cosmetics made roughly $360 million last year. Forbes says Jenner’s company is worth at least $900 million, and, when you add in the money Jenner already had and subtract her mother’s 10 percent management fee, that puts her at $1 billion.
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gorgeous wrote:
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How 20-Year-Old Kylie Jenner Built A $900 Million Fortune In Less ...
When did trading on Family Pop Culture Notoriety become Blue Collar?...................I wouldn't even accept Blue Panties.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 03, 2019 8:26 pm

I just noticed your series of posts on subject? I disagree.

Blue Collar: Of those who work for wages especially manual or industrial laborers

I post as I recognize the value and satisfaction that Blue Collar Work provides. Not what you post at all.
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Post by gorgeous » Fri May 03, 2019 8:29 pm

just showing intelligence isn't always needed for success...none I posted about would be considered highly intelligent in formal education, but knowing what the public wants is intelligent...
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 03, 2019 8:33 pm

I agree. Irrelevant to what Blue Collar work is was the point................and you don't have to know or be intelligent: rather, just in a position to give it a shot.

Success and intelligent are more often conflated than not.
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Post by gorgeous » Fri May 03, 2019 8:35 pm

it is why trump is intelligent...
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri May 03, 2019 8:42 pm

What is "it."

Can you follow an argument?
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knowing what the public wants
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G: you are confusing electoral college results with what the public wants?......................you should: "Step Back."
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are youtube stars white collar? what about rush or jenner?
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Strike FOUR. But........thats a different game. ..........and..........not Monopoly.
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Post by Lance Kennedy » Sat May 04, 2019 1:40 am

Though a lot of people belittle high IQ scores, there are numerous studies showing that people with high IQ scores end up with more education, better jobs, more money, better health, and even longer lives. Sure there are also lots of exceptions, but the correlation is high IQ equals success.

Donald Trump never needed to be smart. His grandaddy owned and ran a brothel which made lots of money. His father used some of the money to build a very successful construction company. Donald Trump has kept the level of money he got from his father roughly level, allowing for inflation. When you are very rich, it is a totally difficult NOT to get richer, since you can hire the brains you need. Donald Trump is seriously less successful than he should be based on his background and that failure is mostly due to stupidity.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat May 04, 2019 8:01 am

>> kept the level of money he got from his father roughly level

Not even that, he lost it all. And ever since - in keeping with his upbringing - "cried for it".
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 04, 2019 12:37 pm

The case for going to college right after high school was that it kept kids in the "study" frame of mind.

This was probably originated by someone who had never been to college. :lol:
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The case for going to college right after high school was that it kept kids in the "study" frame of mind.

This was probably originated by someone who had never been to college. :lol:
It was only for the few nerds kids who were in the study frame of mind to begin with.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat May 04, 2019 11:31 pm

While other guys my age were going to college I was taking correspondence courses through the Navy.

Of course they didn't get to shoot nearly as many people as I did. Balanced.
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