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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by MikeN » Wed May 15, 2019 4:38 pm

I am not saying we must take urgent and drastic action. I am not even convinced that global warming is a serious problem that requires any action.

However, based on the global warming models, if you do think global warming is a serious problem, then the switch to natural gas and various other solutions are irrelevant. Even in that case, it still does not require taking urgent and drastic action, again based on the models. However the only solution I see would be to develop cheaper carbon free (or at least 90% less CO2 emissions) energy. Or some of those megadeath solutions you speak of that reduces demand, like a nuclear war against China and India.

My argument with you is over your celebration of CO2 reductions that do not go towards the solution. A 30% cut or even a 60% cut is not helpful if it takes resources away from getting the needed 90% cut. The impact on global warming of the 30% cut or 60% cut is irrelevant. The only reason international agreements pursue smaller cuts is because that is what is politically possible. They are well aware that it does not help, but they see it as a first step, not towards stopping global warming, but towards getting a POLITICAL regime that can implement a true solution. This is why green groups end up upset at the result of every conference.

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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed May 15, 2019 8:39 pm

Mike: just what model are you looking at?

.................and regardless, what you are accepting, same way Lance does, is that whatever the number of deaths that result from failing to take "urgent and drastic action" are acceptable as our way of adapting to the continuing and worsening conditions.

You have some clever thinking going on.....but you aren't recognizing the consequences.

An interesting and relevant question: how many lives per year are worth continuing the burn fossil fuels?........and then: add them up: how many lives have already been lost? Lance refuses/can't answer that question, you know: too ambiguous and he doesn't understand the question.

Maybe you will? ((I see we now have the issue of who will "control" the new "Arctic Silk Road" as Russia, China, and USA want to secure the "benefits" of an ice free arctic...........................))
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by Lausten » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:34 pm

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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:22 pm

Good point. Ignorance about the future feeds into creating nightmare scenarios very well.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by Lausten » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:52 pm

That's what you got out of that? Wow!

Do you realize you are saying that companies that make profit predictions so they can't know if their strategy is working or not.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:01 pm

Lausten wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:52 pm
That's what you got out of that? Wow!

Do you realize you are saying that companies that make profit predictions so they can't know if their strategy is working or not.
Making valid predictions about profits is just good business acumen.
Making predictions about what the weather will do more than 5 days out is just guessing.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:49 am

Its called: FUD.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by Lausten » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:56 am

landrew wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:01 pm
Lausten wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:52 pm
That's what you got out of that? Wow!

Do you realize you are saying that companies that make profit predictions so they can't know if their strategy is working or not.
Making valid predictions about profits is just good business acumen.
Making predictions about what the weather will do more than 5 days out is just guessing.
What difference does that make? The weather man is not usually a climate scientist. Climate does not tell you whether or not it will rain in Seattle on Saturday.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:05 pm

Lausten wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:56 am
landrew wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:01 pm
Lausten wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:52 pm
That's what you got out of that? Wow!

Do you realize you are saying that companies that make profit predictions so they can't know if their strategy is working or not.
Making valid predictions about profits is just good business acumen.
Making predictions about what the weather will do more than 5 days out is just guessing.
What difference does that make? The weather man is not usually a climate scientist. Climate does not tell you whether or not it will rain in Seattle on Saturday.
No scientist can tell you whether the Milankovitch cycle or the greenhouse effect will win.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:48 pm

landrew wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:05 pm

No scientist can tell you whether the Milankovitch cycle or the greenhouse effect will win.
Of course they can..........once some idiot defines what "win" means. This is what science does.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:19 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:48 pm
landrew wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:05 pm

No scientist can tell you whether the Milankovitch cycle or the greenhouse effect will win.
Of course they can..........once some idiot defines what "win" means. This is what science does.
Try: "prevail."

The Milankovitch cycle has driven the earth into an ice age many times before, and we are now in that part of the cycle where an ice age is due. The greenhouse effect may be preventing it, or it may only be postponing it for the inevitable decline into a time when only a portion of humankind will be able to survive. If such a scenario were to come to pass, it would be more than an ironic end to the anti-global warming movement.

Can't say it's impossible.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:34 pm

Well........................isn't it OBVIOUS even to non scientists that AGW is prevailing in its winning?

Base line: you really don't incorporate the "rate of change" of the various relevant factors.........even when you "know" the results.

Stop pontificating..........and pay attention to the nuts and bolts.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:06 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:34 pm
Well........................isn't it OBVIOUS even to non scientists that AGW is prevailing in its winning?

Base line: you really don't incorporate the "rate of change" of the various relevant factors.........even when you "know" the results.

Stop pontificating..........and pay attention to the nuts and bolts.
It depends if you do research or not.
Since you don't, perhaps you could take our word for it that it's by no means certain whether the greenhouse effect will offset the Milankovitch cycle.
At least not scientifically, however you will find abundant propaganda to that effect.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by MikeN » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:03 pm

There are scientists that believe CO2 is responsible for more than 100% of global warming. In other words, we would be in cooling without the CO2.
You can't say it is obvious AGW>Milankovith, unless you know Milankovitch has started a cooling process right now. You would also have to separate how much of current global warming is natural, a recovery from the little ice age of the 1700s.

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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:02 pm

I'm no expert.......but I know you are both wrong. All you have to do is "remember" the links provided to the various topics raised. Nice colored charts laying all these issues out. Just because YOU don't understand/can't predict what the various factors of Climate production can/will do doesn't mean the real experts at IPCC, NASA, US GEO...etc don't KNOW........AND PUBLISH their result.

I put it down to piss poor memory.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:02 pm
I'm no expert.......but I know you are both wrong. All you have to do is "remember" the links provided to the various topics raised. Nice colored charts laying all these issues out. Just because YOU don't understand/can't predict what the various factors of Climate production can/will do doesn't mean the real experts at IPCC, NASA, US GEO...etc don't KNOW........AND PUBLISH their result.

I put it down to piss poor memory.
Then you obviously don't know how to interpret the data.

There is no scientific basis to establish whether the greenhouse effect will prevail over the Milankovitch cycle.
Quite simply, no one knows.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by OlegTheBatty » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:15 pm

landrew wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 pm
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:02 pm
I'm no expert.......but I know you are both wrong. All you have to do is "remember" the links provided to the various topics raised. Nice colored charts laying all these issues out. Just because YOU don't understand/can't predict what the various factors of Climate production can/will do doesn't mean the real experts at IPCC, NASA, US GEO...etc don't KNOW........AND PUBLISH their result.

I put it down to piss poor memory.
Then you obviously don't know how to interpret the data.

There is no scientific basis to establish whether the greenhouse effect will prevail over the Milankovitch cycle.
Quite simply, no one knows.
Bobbo does. :mrgreen:
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by MikeN » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:55 pm

If the experts know the answer, then why do they have so many different answers?

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es501998e

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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:31 am

MikeN wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:55 pm
If the experts know the answer, then why do they have so many different answers?

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es501998e
In Bobbo's world, the ones who disagree with him are just wrong.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:52 am

What does "prevail" mean? AFAIK it is fully understood as much as anything is and its cyclical impact on climate is part of the climate models that show the Earth would be cooling now (VERY SLOWLY!!!!) if its effects were not superseded by AGW. Change the assumptions regarding those variables and the answer changes. Now....what the frick are you even babbling about????????????? That 150K years from now we don't know if the Earth will be a snowball again?

We don't KNOW the future, we only model it based on assumptions. What conditions do you have to ASSUME in order for whatever factor you wish to be driving climate change?????

Can you DEFINE your position...........or just babble on?

Yes. I do know. You you three don't. As demonstrated. ((bobbo note: Gee, I don't really like being so affirmative in my statement.........but certain science/logic/rhetorical issues are so clear. Seems warranted.))

Right now: I'm not even arguing AGW/M cycle/or predictions/or even "knowing", rather the issue on the table right now is how do you even formulate an argument/position? Ha, ha........yeah.....how do you win or prevail.......when you don't use the dictionary?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:59 am

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:31 am
MikeN wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:55 pm
If the experts know the answer, then why do they have so many different answers?

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es501998e
In Bobbo's world, the ones who disagree with him are just wrong.
EXCELLENT LINK. Ha, ha........now: put your beany on and ellucidate what all the different answers are. The exercise should demonstrate even to you that you sally forth with not even half baked ideas. Here are just the more appropriate misfits: the link makes no mention of the Milankovitch Cycle, no mention of winning or losing, nor of prevailing. The link is about an issue of very fine refinement of AGW modelling: the cooling affect of aerosols vs overall warming of GHG to begin with.

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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by Lance Kennedy » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:29 am

I agree with Bobbo on this. The predicted cooling period is well under way according to the Milankovitch cycles. But it is still warming. So the empirical data tells us that the greenhouse effects are greater.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:02 am

Thank you Lance. I thought being data driven and I think in the discussion regarding M Cycles with those very nice graphics that you might agree. But this is only what is happening "right now" and doesn't go to the vague notion of will it "prevail" or "win."

Wrong on the science as can best be understood, and wrong on the simple communication skills to present an issue. "Scientists have no answers............." Yeah.

Is it the same question?====>will science ever overcome Religion, or is religion just one variety of the will to ignorance????
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:09 am

Believe what you like, but there's no one who can say with certainty that the greenhouse will prevail over the Milankovitch cycle. All we have are unfounded opinions and assertions. If that's what you need to make it work for you, by all means believe it. But science however can't give us anything to predict which way it will go with any certainty.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:17 am

LANDREW: what do you mean by prevail? Can you state a disprovable proposition?

aka: we are currently in the M Cycle that would be causing cooling, but TODAY.......and for as long as co2 exceeds 350ppm the model shows, confirmed by 100 years of measurement, that we will be warming up.

Just say what will cause that to change......................................... go ahead. Do it.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:02 pm

Like a moth around a lamp, Bobbo, you never seem to get to the light. It's just a simple fact that there's no scientific basis for knowing whether the greenhouse effect has canceled the coming ice age being precipitated by the Milankovitch cycle, or if it is merely postponing it. Opinions are everywhere, but no one has the facts.

It's the same thing over and over, you can try to refute with denial, but it's simply not falsifiable at this point. What's my opinion? I don't really have one, because it's going to happen either way, regardless of what anyone thinks.
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Post by Lausten » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:18 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:02 pm
Like a moth around a lamp, Bobbo, you never seem to get to the light. It's just a simple fact that there's no scientific basis for knowing whether the greenhouse effect has canceled the coming ice age being precipitated by the Milankovitch cycle, or if it is merely postponing it. Opinions are everywhere, but no one has the facts.

It's the same thing over and over, you can try to refute with denial, but it's simply not falsifiable at this point. What's my opinion? I don't really have one, because it's going to happen either way, regardless of what anyone thinks.
landrew doesn't know the answer, therefore no one knows the answer. Logic. Checkmate AGW scientists.
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Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:27 pm

Lausten wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:18 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:02 pm
Like a moth around a lamp, Bobbo, you never seem to get to the light. It's just a simple fact that there's no scientific basis for knowing whether the greenhouse effect has canceled the coming ice age being precipitated by the Milankovitch cycle, or if it is merely postponing it. Opinions are everywhere, but no one has the facts.

It's the same thing over and over, you can try to refute with denial, but it's simply not falsifiable at this point. What's my opinion? I don't really have one, because it's going to happen either way, regardless of what anyone thinks.
landrew doesn't know the answer, therefore no one knows the answer. Logic. Checkmate AGW scientists.
Once again, you conflate opinion with knowledge. Are you seriously claiming that someone knows whether the greenhouse effect will overcome the Milankovitch cycle?
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

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Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
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OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:19 pm
Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
Who said it was? Educated guesses are better than wild-ass guesses, but they aren't facts.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:23 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:21 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:19 pm
Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
Who said it was? Educated guesses are better than wild-ass guesses, but they aren't facts.
True, but AGW beating Milankovic is the way to bet.
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Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:24 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:23 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:21 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:19 pm
Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
Who said it was? Educated guesses are better than wild-ass guesses, but they aren't facts.
True, but AGW beating Milankovic is the way to bet.
I don't have to bet, but if you need to, knock yourself out.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:30 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:24 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:23 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:21 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:19 pm
Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
Who said it was? Educated guesses are better than wild-ass guesses, but they aren't facts.
True, but AGW beating Milankovic is the way to bet.
I don't have to bet, but if you need to, knock yourself out.
You expect to die soon? Otherwise, you are betting by choosing whether or not to minimize your carbon footprint, and your choices in supporting politicians and movements which promote, ignore, or mitigate AGW. Whichever choices we make, we are all betting.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:31 pm

Ummmmm..........AGW HAS become the major driver of climate change. That question is definitely answered/proven. What will happen in the future?..............landrew you vacuous twit: you don't even state a time frame. What do you think is going to happen to change the long range forecast we have now of 2-3 hundred years? Is the Earth going to change its orbit around the Sun? Is THAT the basis for your uncertainty.

You just don't appreciate how foolish you are being. So yeah: "science doesn't know"==>and therefore??????????????
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:33 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:30 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:24 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:23 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:21 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:19 pm
Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
Who said it was? Educated guesses are better than wild-ass guesses, but they aren't facts.
True, but AGW beating Milankovic is the way to bet.
I don't have to bet, but if you need to, knock yourself out.
You expect to die soon? Otherwise, you are betting by choosing whether or not to minimize your carbon footprint, and your choices in supporting politicians and movements which promote, ignore, or mitigate AGW. Whichever choices we make, we are all betting.
More like, I don't make sketchy bets.
Appeal to authority is a fallacy, and it doesn't mean they're wrong, but I think the honest ones will admit they don't have much of a clue which way the thing will eventually go.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:43 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:33 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:30 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:24 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:23 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:21 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:19 pm
Effect of low orbital eccentricity?
And
abstract wrote:even in the absence of human perturbations no substantial build-up of ice sheets would occur within the next several thousand years and that the current interglacial would probably last for another 50,000 years.
They may not "know", Landrew, but it isn't just a wild ass flip-a-coin guess.
Who said it was? Educated guesses are better than wild-ass guesses, but they aren't facts.
True, but AGW beating Milankovic is the way to bet.
I don't have to bet, but if you need to, knock yourself out.
You expect to die soon? Otherwise, you are betting by choosing whether or not to minimize your carbon footprint, and your choices in supporting politicians and movements which promote, ignore, or mitigate AGW. Whichever choices we make, we are all betting.
More like, I don't make sketchy bets.
Every time you do something based on less than 100% certainty, you are betting. Going to work? (betting you won't get hit by a bus). At work (betting a disgruntled former employee hasn't got a gun and a death wish). Stay home in bed (betting your house doesn't burn down). Everyone bets.
Appeal to authority is a fallacy, and it doesn't mean they're wrong, but I think the honest ones will admit they don't have much of a clue which way the thing will eventually go.
So, 'honest' = 'interpreting data the same way Landrew does'.
while 'dishonest' = 'interpreting data differently than Landrew does'.

Looks to me like an accurate translation of your last sentence, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:54 pm

Don't fall for the "fears = risk" fallacy because it messes up your judgment. Compounding that with the "just in case" fallacy takes you to a very silly place in your mind.

I recommend a good night's sleep, or maybe a small vacation to help you regain a better sense of reality.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:29 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:54 pm
Don't fall for the "fears = risk" fallacy because it messes up your judgment. Compounding that with the "just in case" fallacy takes you to a very silly place in your mind.

I recommend a good night's sleep, or maybe a small vacation to help you regain a better sense of reality.
WTF are you talking about? Your post has no relevance to anything above.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by landrew » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:48 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:29 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:54 pm
Don't fall for the "fears = risk" fallacy because it messes up your judgment. Compounding that with the "just in case" fallacy takes you to a very silly place in your mind.

I recommend a good night's sleep, or maybe a small vacation to help you regain a better sense of reality.
WTF are you talking about? Your post has no relevance to anything above.
It's really amazing sometimes how a simple difference of opinion can escalate into such silliness.
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Re: Are we sure global warming is bad?

Post by OlegTheBatty » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:11 pm

landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:48 pm
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:29 pm
landrew wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:54 pm
Don't fall for the "fears = risk" fallacy because it messes up your judgment. Compounding that with the "just in case" fallacy takes you to a very silly place in your mind.

I recommend a good night's sleep, or maybe a small vacation to help you regain a better sense of reality.
WTF are you talking about? Your post has no relevance to anything above.
It's really amazing sometimes how a simple difference of opinion can escalate by Landrew into such silliness.
FIFY
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