Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by robinson » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:56 pm

While alarmists want to say all cold events are due to warming, the Black Sea is freezing, something that hasn't happened in 62 years. It is happening because of the unusual cold, not some cold snap.

The suffering from the cold at a human level right now is beyond imagining. The alarmist wants to blame people for the cold, which is inhumane.
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:22 pm

in a few years ,after the the permafrost thaws - people will not have to worry about cold winters anymore

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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by robinson » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:41 pm

That is an idiotic thing to claim, and you can't provide any evidence to back it up, so please stop posting.
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by robinson » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:44 pm

Even if vast methane was released, and CO2 levels reached 1000 ppm, we don't actually know what winters in the NH would be like. That's the real problem with the models. They can't model clouds or precip or wind patterns.

It could trigger the next glacier building period. It could make everything wetter. It could cause dry conditions. We actually don't know.

We know warm summers in the past caused more melting than snow in winter could keep up with, taking us out of the ice age cold period. But we don't know what a greenhouse warmed world would be like. It certainly so far hasn't turned out anything like the models predicted.
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by robinson » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:45 pm

The real current question is simple enough.

Is this goddamn cold natural? Or is it from global warming?
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by robinson » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:47 pm

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Obviously fake. There is no way the warmest year ever would have the most snow.
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by psychiatry is a scam » Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:30 pm

robinson wrote:The real current question is simple enough.

Is this goddamn cold natural? Or is it from global warming?
7 billion pple - aint nuthin natural anymore

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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by Jim Steele » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:15 am

psychiatry is a scam wrote: 7 billion pple - aint nuthin natural anymore
That is exactly the non-scientific assumption that distorts the climate debates. Indeed 7 billion people have altered the landscapes, and thus any impact of landscape change on clmate. But there is NO evidence that the major natural oscillations that drive climate change have been altered.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:26 am

Why would "natural" oscillation drive climate change but man made oscillations have no effect?
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by Jim Steele » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:03 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Why would "natural" oscillation drive climate change but man made oscillations have no effect?
Are you seriously suggesting that climate never changed before? Only after a human increase in CO2????
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:13 am

No.

Answer the question.
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by Jim Steele » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:32 am

The question that we are trying to solve is how sensitive is climate to a wide array of factors . We can not assume climate was in equilibrium and has only been disrupted by recent CO2. So your question poorly posed. The question is how much does natural variability cause climate change and how much does CO2. Again we can not determine how much CO2 affects climate until we understand natural variability. We now know the Pacific Decadal Oscillation has a major impact, yet the PDO was only named o 1996. Its effects we once attributed to human weirding of the climate is now known to be related to the PDO. LIkewise the NAO and the PDO and he SAM.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:46 am

Climate is always in equilibrium.

As always: "Pacific Decadal Oscillation" is a picked cherry.

...............and...... sea level is constantly going up.
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by Jim Steele » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:59 am

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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:09 am

Yes.........agreed. 3 points you don't respond to except by way of unsupported denial or dismissal.

So...... as you make the same arguments over and over, you get the same response over and over.

btw: what kind of scientific analysis begins with an invalid generalization and ends with calling that a lie?
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by Jim Steele » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:10 pm

Record cold and snow spread globally

A list so far available at this link.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/06/ ... he-planet/
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Re: Unheard of cold, alarm ringers still clinging to their lies

Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:47 am

Ha, ha.... yeah..... except the cold and snow are not "spreading globally."

Your error is on HIGH DISPLAY. List all the cold and snow.... skip all the hot and sweltering.... and viola: by looking only at the cold, you miss the warm.

No science at all..... that damn chimera.
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