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Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:18 pm

There is a seemingly endless go round over a "bet", over global temperature anomalies for 2014 and 2015. Somehow, and I will admit I haven't read it all, it's not just a simple wager, it's complicated especially over what is being wagered, as well as the amount. And how to tell if somebody wins.

How to get somebody to actually pay up hasn't even been brought up yet.

No surprise there, as an internet bet means almost nothing, especially if it's not between friends, but sworn enemies with different world views.

Me, if I was betting on such a thing as the global weather next year, I would insist on cash up front, held by a neutral third party. Otherwise, it's not worth a minute of time.

Even a friendly wager in such matters just won't mean anything. Because no matter what happens, record global warm year, or usual year, or cold year, it won't change anything.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:35 pm

robinson wrote:There is a seemingly endless go round over a "bet", over global temperature anomalies for 2014 and 2015. Somehow, and I will admit I haven't read it all, it's not just a simple wager, it's complicated especially over what is being wagered, as well as the amount. And how to tell if somebody wins.
After much wrangling, that part has been cleared up but not cleaned up on the post he wants attached to the statement of the one losing the bet. It is to be simply a bet over setting a record anomaly according to Wood For Trees anomaly list. However, Halsu refuses to post the wager as just that. He wants to grandstand instead. That was the purpose of the entanglements.
How to get somebody to actually pay up hasn't even been brought up yet.

No surprise there, as an internet bet means almost nothing, especially if it's not between friends, but sworn enemies with different world views.

Me, if I was betting on such a thing as the global weather next year, I would insist on cash up front, held by a neutral third party. Otherwise, it's not worth a minute of time.
Bingo!
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:32 pm

I would take any and all cash bets over the next two years of "global warming". Hell, I will bet on the coming winter as well.

It's called futures.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:06 pm

robinson wrote:There is a seemingly endless go round over a "bet", over global temperature anomalies for 2014 and 2015. Somehow, and I will admit I haven't read it all, it's not just a simple wager, it's complicated especially over what is being wagered, as well as the amount. And how to tell if somebody wins.
Maybe you should try reading the message(s) where the wager is offered?

Original (amended) version:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Halsu wrote:How about a bet, SweetPea?

Are you willing to bet for stopped warming, against my bet for continuing warming?

My bet would be for a new global temperature record in next two calendar years, 2014 or 2015. I'm looking at the HADCRU4 temperature record from 1970 to present:

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If i'm correct and the warming continues, it looks pretty likely that either 2014 or 2015 will be the warmest year on record. It only needs to hit the trend line or above it. So, about 50-50 chance for both years, and i get two coin tosses, which gives me about 75% chance for winning the bet.

But only if the warming continues unabated.

If i'm wrong, the warming has stopped and the flatline continues, you have a way higher chance of winning: unless one of those two years is an exceptional warm anomaly from the flat trend, the temperature record will not be set. I'd give you something like 95% chance of winning, if you are correct and i'm wrong.

As for the stakes of the bet, i suggest the following:

The losing party will start a new thread here, with the title

I'm a looooooooser and a knob!! I lost the bet on Global Warming!

And in the text field, only a link to this message, nothing more:

http://skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=359571#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After this, the losing party will restrain from writing to the climate change subforum (a voluntary self-bann) for, say, two months.

How about it, do you have the ballz to accept the bet?
To be added to the bet post wrote:Edit (Dec 6. 2013): The bet is about a global yearly temperature anomaly record in 2014 or in 2015, and this only. The data used is HADCRUT4gl, and it is available here:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/hadcru ... mpress:12/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The current record in HADCRU4 is 2010, with an anomaly of 0.546667 degrees. 2014 or 2015 will need to show a higher anomaly than 0.546667 degrees on the above data series, or i lose.

The winner of the bet is determined at the latest when the data for 2015 is available on the above address. If 2014 is a new record according to the data, the winner of the bet can be determined when 2014 data is available.
...the above is for those with cognitive problems with the original wording in this post :)

Edit 2 (Dec 6. 2013): A new, more concise version of this bet is here:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Revision 2, taking some Sweetpea's concerns into account:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Halsu wrote:Halsu's bet challenge to SweetPea (or anyone else interested), version 2

I suggest a bet for record temperature anomaly in 2014 or 2015.

The bet is about a global yearly temperature anomaly record in 2014 or in 2015, and this only. The data used is HADCRUT4gl, and it is available here:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/hadcru ... mpress:12/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The current record in HADCRU4 is 2010, with an anomaly of 0.546667 degrees. 2014 or 2015 will need to show a higher anomaly than 0.546667 degrees on the above data series, or i lose. In any other case, my opponent wins.

The winner of the bet is determined at the latest when the data for 2015 is available on the above address. If 2014 is a new record according to the data, the winner of the bet can be determined when 2014 data is available.

The losing party will start a new thread here, with the title

I'm a looooooooser and a knob!! I lost the bet on Global Warming!

And in the text field, only the links to the original (amended) wager post and this message, nothing more:

http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After this, the losing party will restrain from writing to the climate change subforum (a voluntary self-bann) for, say, two months.
robinson wrote:How to get somebody to actually pay up hasn't even been brought up yet.
It's a gentlemens' (or womens') agreement.
robinson wrote:Because no matter what happens, record global warm year, or usual year, or cold year, it won't change anything.
That is of course true. But knowing the statistics involved (explained above), what one chooses to bet on is quite interesting, as is the fact that no-one has dared to accept the bet so far... i find it rather revealing.
Last edited by Halsu on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:08 pm, edited 2 times in total.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:11 pm

look up the definition of "gentleman's wager"
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:28 pm

SweetPea wrote:look up the definition of "gentleman's wager"
I said "gentlemen's agreement", not "gentleman's wager".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wikipedia wrote:A gentlemen's agreement is an informal agreement between two or more parties. It is typically oral, though it may be written, or simply understood as part of an unspoken agreement by convention or through mutually beneficial etiquette. The essence of a gentlemen's agreement is that it relies upon the honor of the parties for its fulfillment, rather than being in any way enforceable. It is, therefore, distinct from a legal agreement or contract, which can be enforced if necessary.
Anyway, this bet is a slightly different thing from a gentleman's wager. In our wager, the winner gets nothing, sure, but the loser has a punishment - there is an actual stake involved.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ***** Bet version 2: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:30 pm

Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:look up the definition of "gentleman's wager"
I said "gentlemen's agreement", not "gentleman's wager".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wikipedia wrote:A gentlemen's agreement is an informal agreement between two or more parties. It is typically oral, though it may be written, or simply understood as part of an unspoken agreement by convention or through mutually beneficial etiquette. The essence of a gentlemen's agreement is that it relies upon the honor of the parties for its fulfillment, rather than being in any way enforceable. It is, therefore, distinct from a legal agreement or contract, which can be enforced if necessary.
Anyway, this bet is a slightly different thing from a gentleman's wager. In our wager, the winner gets nothing, sure, but the loser has a punishment - there is an actual stake involved.
Oh! So it's not a gentleman's wager ? No enforceable stakes, just "Halsu's word" over false statements.

I think that robinson has you pegged on this quite well.

Nothing collectable from you. Refusal accept the actual bet with real ballz?
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:39 pm

SweetPea wrote:Oh! So it's not a gentleman's wager ?
It's not, as both parties agree to undergo punsihment if losing. As far as i have understood, there are no stakes whatsoever in a gentleman's wager.
No enforceable stakes, just "Halsu's word" over false statements.
You keep calling them false, but you fail to demonstrate they are. Saying so does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.
Nothing collectable from you. Refusal accept the actual bet with real ballz?
If i lose, i will comply to the terms of the bet 100%.

And yes, i indeed do think that your refusal to accept the bet shows a lack of ballz.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:41 pm

Halsu wrote:
No enforceable stakes, just "Halsu's word" over false statements.
You keep calling them false, but you fail to demonstrate they are. Saying so does not make it true, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.
That applies perfectly to your statement.

I have legitimate reasons, whether or not your see them as legitimate.

What is your reason for refusing to engage in an enforced payoff wager?
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:50 pm

SweetPea wrote:What is your reason for refusing to engage in an enforced payoff wager?
I have not refused such a wager. No-one has even offered one so far.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ***** Bet version 2: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:55 pm

The only thing left is how much and where to place it.
Instead of interest in that, you've only shown interest in grandstanding - from your rat hole. :D
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:06 pm

SweetPea wrote:The only thing left is how much and where to place it.
Okay.

I suggest $500 for the sum. You can suggest where to place it.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ***** Bet version 2: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:17 pm

Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:The only thing left is how much and where to place it.
Okay.

I suggest $500 for the sum. You can suggest where to place it.
I have no idea where such bets are securely placed. That would be up to the two of you. I also remember that robinson objected to your having two wagers present.

The good thing is that you've made clear that for you it's a bet over the record anomaly only, and that you've carefully calculated the odds for that wager.
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:00 am

Just took a glance at a formula, so correct me if it's wrong. At 75 % probability, that's 3 to 1 odds according to your calcs, Halsu?
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:32 pm

Halsu wrote:My bet would be for a new global temperature record in next two calendar years, 2014 or 2015. I'm looking at the HADCRU4 temperature record from 1970 to present:.
If you would just put up and bet on that, you might get some takers. The problem is, you go on and on like a bitch, and almost nobody wants to have anything to do with you, much less get locked into some years long bet that can't be enforced and has no profit.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:21 pm

SweetPea wrote:Just took a glance at a formula, so correct me if it's wrong. At 75 % probability, that's 3 to 1 odds according to your calcs, Halsu?
The 75% is my estimate for my winning chances if warming continues unabated.

In the other hand, if the warming has stopped, i estimate my opponents have a better than 90% chance of winning.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:22 pm

robinson wrote:If you would just put up and bet on that, you might get some takers.
I did. No takers.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:29 pm

Just type out your wager. It's not hard.

The odds, how much you want to lose, like an actual bet.

It's starts with "I will bet you $$ that ..."
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:44 pm

robinson wrote:Just type out your wager. It's not hard.

The odds, how much you want to lose, like an actual bet.

It's starts with "I will bet you $$ that ..."
What's wrong with the bet i already have suggested?
How about a bet, SweetPea?
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ***** Bet version 2: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:47 pm

there you go again.

Instead of typing out your bet, you typed a question instead.

I will bet a dollar you won't just type out a bet in your next post.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:32 pm

See? I won that bet.

It's easy.

You on the other hand, you make it complicated.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:58 pm

Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:Just took a glance at a formula, so correct me if it's wrong. At 75 % probability, that's 3 to 1 odds according to your calcs, Halsu?
The 75% is my estimate for my winning chances if warming continues unabated.

In the other hand, if the warming has stopped, i estimate my opponents have a better than 90% chance of winning.
So it was correct, that your wager gives 3 to 1 odds from that 75%? Your wager is for breaking the record.
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:36 pm

robinson wrote:I will bet a dollar you won't just type out a bet in your next post.
I bet you a dollar that 2014 or 2015 will be a new global temperature record year according to HADCRU4gl.

As you just lost the bet you suggested, you now owe me a dollar. You can hold on to that as my stake in the above bet.
Last edited by Halsu on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:38 pm

SweetPea wrote:So it was correct, that your wager gives 3 to 1 odds from that 75%? Your wager is for breaking the record.
Yes, 75% is the same as 3 to 1. But those odds i estimate ONLY APPLY IF WARMING CONTINUES UNABATED at the same rate as during 1970-2013 period.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:18 pm

Halsu wrote:I bet you a dollar that 2014 or 2015 will be a new global temperature record year according to HADCRU4gl.
That's a lot better. Now make it a bet for each year. And then give the odds for each bet.

And no, you didn't win my bet, because you can't bet on two things at the same time. You need to phrase it like this: "I bet a dollar we will see a new record temperature anomaly, using HADCRU4 as the data set, in the next two years."

Now that is a bet.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:26 pm

Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:So it was correct, that your wager gives 3 to 1 odds from that 75%? Your wager is for breaking the record.
Yes, 75% is the same as 3 to 1. But those odds i estimate ONLY APPLY IF WARMING CONTINUES UNABATED at the same rate as during 1970-2013 period.
Halsu is unwilling to bet for continued global warming.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:56 pm

Is that what this is all about?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:46 pm

robinson wrote:Is that what this is all about?
That's what he said.
How do the Deniers get so lucky?
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by robinson » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:32 pm

" IF WARMING CONTINUES UNABATED at the same rate as during 1970-2013 period."

Warming stopped in 1998, or 2002, depending on what data you believe in.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:41 pm

" IF WARMING CONTINUES UNABATED
The rest is the just-released portion of his new statement:
Halsu wrote: at the same rate as during 1970-2013 period."
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:02 am

robinson wrote:I bet a dollar we will see a new record temperature anomaly, using HADCRU4 as the data set, in the next two years.
That's the exact same bet i just offered, just worded slightly differently. But if you feel it's somehow better this way, here we go:

I bet a dollar we will see a new record temperature anomaly, using HADCRU4 as the data set, in the next two years.
How about a bet, SweetPea?
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 71#p359571" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ***** Bet version 2: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 55#p378255" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:04 am

robinson wrote:Warming stopped in 1998, or 2002, depending on what data you believe in.
Thus: "In the other hand, if the warming has stopped, i estimate my opponents have a better than 90% chance of winning."

If you believe that the data gives a meaningful indication that the warming indeed stopped in 1998 or 2002, you should have no problems accepting the bet. If you're right, you will very likely win.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:06 am

SweetPea wrote:The rest is the just-released portion of his new statement:
New? All the same info was in my original wager post:



"I'm looking at the HADCRU4 temperature record from 1970 to present:

Image

If i'm correct and the warming continues, it looks pretty likely that either 2014 or 2015 will be the warmest year on record. It only needs to hit the trend line or above it. So, about 50-50 chance for both years, and i get two coin tosses, which gives me about 75% chance for winning the bet.

But only if the warming continues unabated."
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:10 am

SweetPea wrote:Halsu is unwilling to bet for continued global warming.
??
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:12 am

Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:The rest is the just-released portion of his new statement:
New? All the same info was in my original wager post:



"I'm looking at the HADCRU4 temperature record from 1970 to present:

Image

If i'm correct and the warming continues, it looks pretty likely that either 2014 or 2015 will be the warmest year on record. It only needs to hit the trend line or above it. So, about 50-50 chance for both years, and i get two coin tosses, which gives me about 75% chance for winning the bet.

But only if the warming continues unabated."
Yes, new. You just added it and then I commented on the addition.
This:
at the same rate as during 1970-2013 period.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:16 am

SweetPea wrote:Yes, new. You just added it and then I commented on the addition.
This:
at the same rate as during 1970-2013 period.
Not new, the same as this:


"I'm looking at the HADCRU4 temperature record from 1970 to present:"


Image
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:32 am

Of course they are new words you're trying to put into the wager. Those words were not there before.

It's just your latest rat hole.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:02 am

SweetPea wrote:Those words were not there before.
...but the subject those words describe was. Saying the same thing in different wording does not make for a new claim.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by SweetPea » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:03 am

Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:Those words were not there before.
...but the subject those words describe was.
No, it was not.

The words are a completely new addition.
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Re: Wanna bet?

Post by Halsu » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:45 pm

SweetPea wrote:
Halsu wrote:
SweetPea wrote:Those words were not there before.
...but the subject those words describe was.
No, it was not.

The words are a completely new addition.
Learn to read, dude.
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