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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:50 pm

landrew wrote:
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...Everybody starves in the woods...
That explains delicious mud-covered treats. :-P
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:32 pm

One argument for veganism is that your food shouldn't have a brain. Insects have a brain of sorts, but apparently some other invertebrates do not.
https://medium.com/@jd.feliz/the-case-f ... 1747367305

Of course it could be argued that all living things have a sort of "chemical brain," based on metabolic chemistry.

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by ElectricMonk » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:55 pm

What do I care if something has a brain?
I've eaten animal brain, as a matter of fact.

I don't understand how this would be relevant.

And if it is, how you can eat any plants, since many are just as complex as relatively simple forms of animals.

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by TJrandom » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:57 pm

Zombies eat brains and I have met quite a few people who were no smarter than zombies... vegetarians included. Maybe if they are more brains they would be, erm... brainier…

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:18 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
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What do I care if something has a brain?
I've eaten animal brain, as a matter of fact.

I don't understand how this would be relevant.

And if it is, how you can eat any plants, since many are just as complex as relatively simple forms of animals.
I think it's part of the vegan argument for some people. They assume that food needs a brain to feel pain.
Or something like that.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by Gord » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:56 am

landrew wrote:
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What do I care if something has a brain?
I've eaten animal brain, as a matter of fact.

I don't understand how this would be relevant.

And if it is, how you can eat any plants, since many are just as complex as relatively simple forms of animals.
I think it's part of the vegan argument for some people. They assume that food needs a brain to feel pain.
Or something like that.
Or that things with brains think and so shouldn't be eaten. Well, or killed, I guess. It's probably the killing part that factors highest into their thinking.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:57 am

The last thing that goes through an insect's head (brain) when it hits a windshield is...

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...its butt.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:20 am

I don't think insects feel pain or suffering. But I'm sure there's a proper scientific answer somewhere.

I'm sure someone with impressive researching skills will try to prove me wrong.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by ElectricMonk » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:56 am

I'm certain even amoeba feel some equivalent of pain. Plants demostrably do react to injury or infection with stress.
It is almost quaint how some people hope there is a line they can draw between living things that would, and those that wouldn't object to being eaten, on some arbitrary moral level.

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by TJrandom » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:06 am

Well, I for one don't mind being eaten.... Ooops, wrong forum... never mind... ;)

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:09 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:56 am
I'm certain even amoeba feel some equivalent of pain. Plants demostrably do react to injury or infection with stress.
It is almost quaint how some people hope there is a line they can draw between living things that would, and those that wouldn't object to being eaten, on some arbitrary moral level.
A Roomba robot vacuum reacts to running into a wall, but that doesn't mean it feels the pain of it.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by TJrandom » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:30 pm

landrew wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:09 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:56 am
I'm certain even amoeba feel some equivalent of pain. Plants demostrably do react to injury or infection with stress.
It is almost quaint how some people hope there is a line they can draw between living things that would, and those that wouldn't object to being eaten, on some arbitrary moral level.
A Roomba robot vacuum reacts to running into a wall, but that doesn't mean it feels the pain of it.
But what it runs into does feel pain and tells it to back off. You can test this yourself - with your toes. ;) :twisted:

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:58 pm

Just because you can fully explain it doesn't make it qualitatively different from any other response.

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:21 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
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Just because you can fully explain it doesn't make it qualitatively different from any other response.
You can't assume fear, pain or panic from the programmed reactions of a few thousand neurons in an insect's brain.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by ElectricMonk » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:45 am

landrew wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:21 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
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Just because you can fully explain it doesn't make it qualitatively different from any other response.
You can't assume fear, pain or panic from the programmed reactions of a few thousand neurons in an insect's brain.
how can i assume it from a few billion neurons?
also, I never said anything about fear or panic.

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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by Gord » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:31 am

Are we still talking about eating things, or has this spilt over from a Klinko thread?
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:57 pm

mmm...bird brains :nuts:
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:12 pm

Gord wrote:
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Are we still talking about eating things, or has this spilt over from a Klinko thread?
Naw, I was trying to make the point that insect brains are simpler than a digital watch, and have no sentience.
We can get back to something important any time.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:04 pm

landrew wrote:
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Naw, I was trying to make the point that insect brains are simpler than a digital watch, and have no sentience. ...
... and therefore yummy! ;)
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by landrew » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:39 pm

Crustaceans aren't really so different from insects, and we have no problem eating them.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:27 am

There's all manner of things to eat besides insects.

Crustaceans, spiders, centipedes, scorpions, etc.

All eaten by someone somewhere.
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Re: Nothing objectively wrong with eating insects, but ...

Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:07 am

reptiles, too, when you come to think of it - or avian.
all tiny brains. like insects, so no sentience, so tuck in!

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:03 pm

Reptiles taste like chicken.

Except alligators. With alligators you taste like chicken to them.
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