So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

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So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:11 pm

Last time I checked, Metapedia's "caregory: supposed Holocaust survivors" (a page which claims to index all of the supposedly "confirmed" liars) had 99 entries on it, but one of those entries was about 4 people, which makes it a total of 103. That's the most extensive list of people of people who have been "confirmed" as liars, by their own definition. Of course, their definition for a "liar" must be taken with a grain of salt, although the list obviously contains some names that anti-deniers would also agree upon to be frauds. Point is, 103 (as best) out of, what, around 2 Million testimonies that are in existence (I think this is the figure thay Yad Vashem cites, but I might be wrong. Dr. Nick might shed some light on this)? Yeah, it's not a usfull statistic if you are trying to proove how all " " suvivors" " are liars.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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Re: So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Nessie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:50 pm

There was a great list compiled of direct witnesses to gassings (as in they say they saw a gassing happen) on another forum, this is it;

A1) Auschwitz Nazis :

1) Rudolf Hoess Nuremberg - witness
Krakow - 1947
2) Maximillian Grabner Krakow - 1947
(Gestapo chief) interrogation Vienna 1.9.45
GARF f7201
3) Erich Mussfeldt Krakow - 1947
In charge of crem 2&3 (May - aug 44)
3) Josef Kramer 'The Beast of Belsen' Belsen - 1945
Birkenau camp commander
4) Fritz Klein Belsen - 1945
SS Doctor
5) Franz Hoessler Belsen - 1945
Main camp commander - 1944
6) Stefan Baretzki Frankfurt - 1965
Block chief
7) Perry Broad Affidavit 14.12.45 Minden
Gestapo report 13.07.45
Frankfurt - 1965
Hamburg - 1946 (witness tesch trial)
8) Emil Hantl Frankfurt - 1965
Medical orderly
9) Franz Hofmann Frankfurt - 1965
SS camp leader
10) Oswald Kaduk Soviet Military Tribunal - 1947
SS report leader Frankfurt - 1965
11) Josef Klehr Frankfurt - 1965
Medical orderly
12) Hans Stark Frankfurt - 1965
Gestapo
13) Hans Aumeier Interrogation by British
Head of detention camp 1942 Krakow - 1947
14) Johann Paul Kremer Krakow - 1947
Doctor Munster - 1960
Frankfurt - 1965 witness
15) Oskar Groening
SS guard/bookkeeper
16) Richard Bock Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS driver interrogation 2.11.60
17) Anton Wilhelmy Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS garrison doctor
18) Martin Wilks Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS garrison doctor/bookkeeper?
19) Karl Hoblinger Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
20) Karl Broch Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS political dept
21) Henry Storch Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS pharmacy
22) Kurt Jurasek Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS garrison doctor
23) Konrad Morgen Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS investigator Nuremberg
24) Gerhard Wiebeck Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS investigator
25) Anton Siebald Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
26) Franz Tomaszewski Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
27) Willy Wildermuth Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS motor pool
28) Gerhard Hess Frankfurt - 1965 witness
SS farming
29) Victor Capesius Frankfurt - 1965
Doctor
30) Friedrich Entress Landsberg
Doctor affidavit 14.4.47
NO-2362
31) Josef Erber (Houstek)
Political dept
32) Horst Fischer manuscript and interog sep 65
Doctor Leipzig (E Germany) - 1966
33) Adam Hradil interogation 13.8.63
SS motor pool
34) Otto Moll Dachau Trial 1945
interrogation joint with hoess 16.4.46

A2) Auschwitz Jewish Sonderkommando

1) Filip Muller Frankfurt - 1965
arrived apr 1942 Krakow - 1947
(death march ?)
2) Shlomo Dragon - brother of abraham Polish Commission - 1945
arrived dec 42 Soviet interrogation - 1945
(escaped from death march with Vienna - 1972
henryk tauber)
3) Henryk Tauber Polish Commission - 1945
arrived jan 43 soviet interrogation feb 45
(escaped from death march with
schlomo dragon)
4) Alain Feinsilder ( Stanislow Jankowski) Polish Commission - 1945
arrived mar 42 Declaration 29.9.80 Paris
( death march ?) Jewish historical commission 1945
5) David Olere
arrived mar 43
(death march to mauthausen ? - ebensee)
6) Daniel Bennahmias
arrived apr 44
(death march as per book preview)
7) Henryk Mandelbaum
arrived apr 44
(escaped from death march )
8) Dario Gabbai - brother of Ya'akov - cousin of Morris Venezia
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen? - melk - ebensee)
9) Morris Venezia - cousin of Dario Gabbai
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen ?)
10) Shlomo Venezia
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen ?)
10) Milton Buki 4/1/46 deposition Linz
arrived dec 42 7/1/46 deposition Vienna ( re Grabner)
(death march ?) Frankfurt - 1965
11) Dov Pasikovic Frankfurt - 1965
arrived may 44
(death march?)
12) Ya'akov Silberberg interrogation 2.6.71
arrived dec 42 ?
(escaped from death march)
13) Joshua (Szyja) Rosenblum
arrived feb 44
14) Leon Cohen
arrived nov 43 ?
(death march to mauthausen)
15) Otto Pressburger
arrived mar 42
(death march ?)
16) Maurice Benroubi
arrived July 42
(tfrd to jawischowitz mine sep 42)
17) Shaul Chazan
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen-melk)
18) Abraham Dragon - brother of shlomo
arrived dec 42
(death march to mauthausen)
19) Eliezer Eisenschnidt
arrived dec 42
(escaped from death march)
20) Ya'akov Gabai - brother of Dario
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen-gusen)
21) Samuel Hejblum
arrived aug 42
22) Morris Kesselman
arrived mar 43
(death march to mauthausen)
23) Gabriel Malinski

24) David Nencel
arrived dec 42
(death march to mauthausen - ebensee)
25) Lemko Pliszko
arrived jan 43
26) Josef Sackar
arrived apr 44
(death march to mauthausen - melk- ebensee)

A3) Auschwitz other inmates


1) Jozef Paczynski - Pole

2) Michael Kula - Pole Protocol testimony 11.6.45
3) Alexander Princz - Jew Frankfurt - 1965
4) Hermann Langbein - Austrian Frankfurt - 1965
Vienna - 197
5) Karl Lill - Czech Frankfurt - 1965
6) Zdzislaw Mikolajski - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
7) Walter Petzold -German ? report 17.05.45
Frankfurt - 1965
8) Henryk Porebski - Pole deposition 28.08.47 - krakow
Frankfurt - 1965
9) Fritz Adolf Putzker - German ? Frankfurt - 1965
10) Edward Pys interrogation 23.10.59
Frankfurt - 1965
11) Jan Sikorski - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
12) Herbert Tischler Frankfurt - 1965
13) Karl Bracht Frankfurt - 1965
14) Franciszek Gulba - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
15) Ignacy Golik - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
16) Ananij Silovich Pet'ko
russian escapee nov 43
17) Vladimir Jakovlevich Pegov
russian escapee nov 43
18) Ludwik Banach deposition 18.7.47 - poland
garrison trial
19) Moshe Garbarz - Jew
(tfrd to jawischowitz mine sep 42)
20) Bogdan Glinski deposition 17.9.47 - poland
garrison trial
21) Kazimierz Halgas
22) Bartosz Oziemkowski Frankfurt - 1965
23) Roger Pelisson
24) Adolf Rogner - German account march 46
garrison trial
25) Maurice Schellekes - Jew deposition 1981 haifa
26) Edgar Steinmetz affidavit ?
27) Wladyslaw Tondos - Pole
28) Josef Vacek - Czech interrogation 8.5.45 Buchenwald
29) Jozef Weber - Pole
30) William Wolfahrt - Pole Krakow - 1947
31) Jan Wolny - Pole
32) Adam Zacharski
33) Czeslaw Sulkowski - Pole
( same person as Stanislaw Slizowski ?)
34) Wojciech Barcz Frankfurt - 1965
35) Franciszek Brol Frankfurt - 1965
36) Stanislaw Slizowski - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
( same person as Czeslaw Sulkowski ?)
37) Zenon Rozansky - Pole
(Officer)
38) Ota Fabian - Jew Frankfurt - 1965
39) Rudolf Gibian - Jew Frankfurt - 1965
40) Stanislaw Glowa - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
41) Czeslaw Glowacki - Pole Frankfurt - 1965
42) Alexander Germanski - Pole
43) Tadeusz Kurant - Pole
44) Karol Sienek - Pole
45) Wieslaw Kielar - Pole
46) Rudolf Vrba ( Walter Rosenberg) Frankfurt - 1965
slovak jew - escaped apr 44 statement for eichmann trial
zundel - 1985

A4) Auschwitz Jewish Doctors

1) Andre Lettich
French Jew
25.7.42 - dec 42? He only seen bunkers.
2) (Charles) ? Sigismund Paul Bendel Belsen - 1945
Romanian Jew (based in France?) Tesch Trial -1946
07.12.43 Farben Trial - 1948
3) Miklos Nyiszli deposition 28.7.45 hungary
Hungarian jew - may 44-jan45 affidavit 8.10.47 Nuremberg

B1) Chelmno Nazis

1) Walter Piller Lodz - 1945
Camp deputy commandant May 45 report while prisoner
Central Moscow Archives + YVA 053/12
ZSl Coll vol 411 part 7 fol 16ff
2) Hermann Gielow Lodz - 1945
Gas van driver/operator
3) Bruno Israel (born Bruno Koenig) Lodz - 1945
Order Policeman ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
special vol A fol 423
4) Gustaw Laabs Bonn - 1962-65
Gas van driver/operator deposition 29.11.60
ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 4 fols 525ff - 527
5) Walter Burmeister Bonn - 1962-65
Gas van driver/operator + Lange's driver ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
+ Bothmann's adjutant vol 6 fols 967f
vol 7a fols 1157,1162
6) Alois Hafele Bonn - 1962-65
Hauskommando leader ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 4 fol 601
7) Kurt Mobius Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 5 fol 877
8) Karl Heinl Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard
9) Ernst Burmeister Bonn - 1962-65
Head of police guard
10) Heinrich Bock Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 6 fol 1000f
11) Anton Mehring Bonn - 1962-65
SS personnel
12) Alexsander Steinke Bonn - 1962-65
SS personnel
13) Friedrich Maderholz Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard
14) Wilhelm Heukelbach Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard
15) Wilhelm Schulte Bonn - 1962-65
SS personnel
16) Gustaw Fiedler Cologne - 1965
Camp guard
17) Henryk Mania Poznan - 2001
Polish Volksdeutscher
18) Theodor Malzmuller statement 27.06.60
Camp guard AR-Z 69/59 vol3 p412
19) Friedrich Hensen statement 13.07.45
Camp guard
captured by british in hagen 15.04.45
20) Fritz Ismer Bonn - 1962-65
Camp guard interrogation 01.08.61
no charges made against him criminal case 141 js 204/60
21) Frank Sch ???? Bonn - 1962-65 ?
Forest Camp guard
22) Franz Schalling
Security guard - non ss
23) Jakob W Bonn - 1962-65
Police officer from Litzmannstadt battalion ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 5 fol 856
24) Johann H Vienna Court Interrogation
Austrian 'members of camp' AZ:27b Vr 4726/62
25) Josef P as above
26) Josef I Bonn - 1962-65
Policeman ZSL AZ 203 AR-Z 69/59
vol 7a fol 1224f

B2) Chelmno 'non-camp' Nazi staff

1) Karl El ???? Greifswald - 1951
Police Schupo Lodz Gustrow - 1952
2) Adolf Eichmann Eichmann Trial - 1961
Interrogation
3) Rudolf Hoess -
Auschwitz camp commander
4) Heinrich May - Yad Vashem M-21/477
Forest Superintendent for Kolo district report for americans 1945
5) Walter Dejaco - report 17.09.42 - NO-4467
Untersturmfuhrer - Auschwitz architect Vienna 1972 (re auschwitz)
6) Arthur Greiser - Posnan - 1946
Gauleiter of Warthgau

B3) Chelmno - Jewish inmates

1) Mordechai (Michel ?) Podchlebnik Lodz - 1945 - 9.6.45
escaped jan 42 - 1st period Eichman Trial - 1961
2) Mordechai Zurawski Lodz - 1945 ?
2nd period Poznan - 1946 (Greisers Trial)
saved by russians Eichman Trial - 1961
3) Simon Srebnik Lodz - 1945 - 29.6.45
2nd period Eichman Trial - 1961
shot by germans, saved by russians Bonn - 1962-65
4) Szlamek Bajler ( Yakov Grojanowski)
escaped 19.01.42 - 1st period
didn't survive war

B4) Chelmno - Gas van mechanics

1) Jozef Piaskowski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic employed in the Testimony 10.06.45
Reichsstrassenbauamt in Kolo AIPN GK 165/271
2) Bronislaw Mankowski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic employed in the Testimony 11.06.45
Reichsstrassenbauamt in Kolo AIPN GK 165/271
3) Bronislaw Falborski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic employed in the Kraft
company in Kolo
4) Jerzy Fojcik Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 06.07.45
BA B162/21962 p 357ff
5) Zenon Rossa Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 13.06.45
AIPN GK 165/271
6) Michael Lewandowski Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 04.07.45
AIPN GK 165/271
7) Miroslaw Junkiert Polish Commission 1945
Polish mechanic in Kolo Testimony 13.07.45
AIPN GK 165/271

C1) Sobibor Nazis

1) Franz Stangl 1970 - Dussledorf
Camp commander Sobibor and Treblinka
2) Karl Frenzel 1966 - Hagen
1985 - Hagen retrial
3) Kurt Bolender 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich ?
4) Franz Wolf 1966 - Hagen
5) Alfred Ittner 1966 - Hagen
(accountant pre sobibor)
6) Werner Dubois 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
7) Erich Fuchs 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
1961 - Dortmund ?
YVA TR 10/1069
8) Erich Lachmann 1966 - Hagen

9) Hans-Heinz Schutt 1966 - Hagen

10) Heinrich Unverhau 1948 - Euthenasia
1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
11) Robert Juhrs 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
12) Ernst Zierke 1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
13) Erwin Lambert 1966 - Hagen
14) Hubert Gomerski 1947 - Euthenasia Trial
1950 - Frankfu
15) Erich Bauer 1950 - Frankfurt
"The Gasmaster" 1961 - Dortmund ?
16) Johan Klier 1950 - Frankfurt
17) Karl Streibel 1976 - Hamburg
Commander of Trawinki camp - visitor to Sobibor dec 42
18) Franz Hodl 1950 - Frankfurt
witness ?
29.03.66 StA Dortmund - verfahren gegen gomerski ??
19) Heinrich Barbl 1965 - Linz
20) Becher Warner 1966 - Hagen ?
Driver witness?
21) Gustav Wagner escaped to brazil
deputy commander of camp
the beast' or 'the wolf'

D1) Treblinka Nazis :


1) Franz Stangl 1970 - Dussledorf
Camp commander Sobibor and Treblinka
2) Kurt Franz 1964 - Dussledorf
deputy camp commander. 'the doll'
3) Willi Mentz 1964 - Dussledorf
'the gunman of Treblinka' - 'frankenstein'
4) Heinrich Mattes 1964 - Dussledorf
'doctor'
5) Otto von Horn 1964 - Dussledorf
1990's - IvanTerrible
(witness)
6) Erwin Lambert 1964 - Dussledorf
'the flying architect'
7) Franz Suchomel 1964 - Dussledorf
8) August Miete 1964 - Dussledorf
'Angel of death'
9) Gustav Munzberger 1964 - Dussledorf
10) Otto Stadie 1964 - Dussledorf
11) Rudolf Hoess
Auschwitz camp commander
12) Dr Irmfried Erbel arrested jan 48
First commander of camp - replaced for incompetence
13) Erich Fuchs
based at sobibor

D2) Treblinka Ukranian camp staff :

1) Feodor Federenko 1.pre-trial testimony
25.05.76 hartford usa
2.denaturalisation
USA june 78
3. Russian Trial - 1950?
2) Nikolay Shalayev ( guard and motorist) 1. protokol doprosa -
18.12.50 (federenko trial?)
2. Jack Reimer trial -
usa 2004 - GX-126
3) Ivan Semyonovich Shevchenko 1. protokol doprosa -
08.09.44.
2. GARF 7445-2-34 p19
4) Pavel Leleko protokol doprosa -
20.02.45.
5) Nikolai Malagon 1. interrogation -
18.03.78 russia
(for demjanuk trial ?)
6) Prokofij Ryabtsev 1.protokol doprosa -
03.02.65.
2. Jack Reimer trial -
usa 2004 - GX-121
7) Georgij Aleksandr Skidan 1. 26.05.50
2. Jack Reimer trial -
usa 2004 - GX-141

D3) Treblinka - Jewish inmates :

1) Jankiel Wiernik - 8/42-8/43 revolt Polish Commission 1946
Eichmann Trial - 1961
2) Chil Rajchman - 9/42-8/43 revolt Polish Commission 1946
(Yechiel Reichman) Demjanuk Trial - USA 1981
Demjanuk Trial - Israel 1988
YVT - 03/3816
3) Jerzy Rajgrotski -9/42-8/43 revolt jewish historical institute
1958 no25 106-108
4) Sonia Lewkowicz - 12/42-8/43 revolt Federenko Trial - USA 1978
Demjanuk Trial - USA 1981
YVT - 03/4181
5) Abraham Goldfarb - 8/42 - 8/43 revolt Protokol doprosa - 21.09.44
GARF 7445-2-134 P31
YVT - 03/1846
6) Chaim Sztajer -9/42 - 8/43 revolt Demjanuk Trial - Israel 1988

7) Pinchas Epstein - 9/42-8/43 revolt Demjanuk Trial - Israel 1988
Eichmann Trial - 1961
8) Samuel Rajzman - 9/42-8/43 Polish Commission 1946
note - mainly hearsay nuremberg - 1946
Yad Vashem Testimony
Federenko Trial - USA 1978
1964 Dussledorf
report 1944
YVT 03/547
9) Eliyahu Rosenberg - 9/42-8/43 revolt Statement Vienna 1947
Demjanuk Trial - USA 1981
Eichmann Trial - 1961
YVA 03/4039
10) Abraham Bomba - 9/42 - 12/42 escaped

11) Abraham Kaszepicki - 8/42-9/42 for 18 days escaped report dec 42

12) Mendel Korytnicki - ?? Protokol doprosa - 23.09.44
GARF 7445-2-134 P56r
13) David Milgroim - 1942 escaped after a week report made in slovakia 8/43
note - unsure if hearsay OSS? In istanbul recd 1944

14) Leon Finklestein - 7/42 - 8/43 revolt Polish Commission 1946



E1) Belzec Nazis :

1) Josef Oberhauser 1963 - Munich statement
Adjutant to Wirth - Dec 41 14.12.62 208 AR-Z 252/59 vol 9 p1681ff
1948 - Magdeburg -
(euthanasia)
15.11.71- Hoffmann Trial
8 ks 1/70 vol 3 p881
2) Erich Fuchs 1966 - Hagen
Truckdriver ? 1963 - Munich
Dortmund AZ 45 Js 27/61
3) Heinrich Gley 1963 - Munich
Guard AZ Js 64-83/61
4) Werner (Karl ?) Dubois 1966 - Hagen
Truckdriver 1963 - Munich
1971 - Hoffman ?
Statement 16.09.61
5) Karl (Alfred?)Schluch 1963 - Munich
Guard 11.11.61 BAL 162/208
AZ Js 64-83/61
AR-Z 252/59 Bd 8 p1514
6) Heinrich Unverhau 1948 - Euthenasia
1966 - Hagen
1963 - Munich
7) Robert Juhrs 1966 - Hagen
Guard 1963 - Munich
8) Ernst Zierke 1966 - Hagen
Guard 1963 - Munich
9) Kurt Franz 1964 - Dussledorf
Cook
10) Fritz Tauscher 1963 - Munich
18.12.63 deposition
BAL B162/208 AR-Z 252/59
11) Franz Stangl 1970 - Dussledorf


Other :

12) Wilhelm Pfannenstiel - visited aug 42 1950 - Darmstadt
Professor of Hygiene 1959 - Marburg
1965 - Munich (prosecution witness)
13) Kurt Gerstein - visited aug 42 report nuremberg PS-1553
Disinfection officer
14) Paul Rassiniers 'mystery visitor'

E2) Belzec Ukranian camp staff :

1) Alexandr Illarionovich Semigodov deposition 24.05.73 Penza
BAL B162/208
AR-Z 643/71 Bd IV f 704-11
2) Filipp Babenko protokol doprosa 12.11.48
ASBU Kiev
6397-58240 pp 12-19
3) Peter Petrowitsch Browzew
(he escaped 3.2.43 and joined partisans)

E3) Belzec Jewish inmates :

1) Rudolf Reder - 8/42 - 11/42 escaped 1963 - Munich
29.12.45 BAL 162/208
AR-Z 252/59 P1177-76
2) Chaim Hirszman - 11/42? - 7/43 escaped 19.03.46 in front of
note murdered after testimony in lublin historical commission of Lublin

F1) Gas Vans Nazis

1) Dr August Becker statement 26.03.60
Gas van inspector AR-Z 220/59 vol 1 p194
2) Josef Wendl Austria 1970
Gas van driver Bd. 1X, ON 117 p16
Interrogation 12.02.69
YVA TR 10/118 vol 1 p40ff
3) Emanual Schafer Cologne. JuNSV Bd X1
Sipo - SD commander Belgrade Nr. 362
Hannover - 1961 (pradels trial)
RSHA 11 D 3
501-PS
4) Ernst Biberstein Einsatz trial nbg - 1947
Commander of commando 6 of EZG C NO-4314

5) Georg Weiss Testimony 1962 ?
Driver for Rolf Maurer
6) Paul Blobel Einsatz trial nbg - 1947
Commander of EZG C NO-3824 6.6.47
7) Curt Emmrich ( pen name Peter Bamm)

8) Karl Gebl Deposition Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver - Minsk AZ:2Js 299/60 vol 10 fols 48ff
interog 23.10.62
BA B162/5068 p 624
9) Erich Gnewuch Deposition Munich - 1961
Gas van driver - Minsk AZ:2Js 104/61 vol 10 fols 48ff
ZSL:AZ:2 AR-Z 94/59 vol 5 fol 1013
10) Johann Hassler Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver - Orel AZ:2 Js 299/60 vol 9 fol 177ff
Interrogation 12.09.62 +26.09.66
BA B162/5068 p 639f
BA B162/18154 p 56f

note these gassings also confirmed by Ott (head of einsatz 7b) and Muller( convoy leader) - same trial
11) Adolf Rube Koblenz - 1959
Gas van driver from div 1vb minsk kds. AZ:9Js 716/59
ZSL:AZ:2 AR-Z 284/59 vol 5 fol 854
12) Heinz Schlechte Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver - EZG 8 moghilev AZ:2 Js 299/60 vol 12 fol 26ff
13) ? Dittrich Hanover - 1960
Member of Baranovichi SD office AZ:2 Js 299/60 vol 8 fol 66ff
14) Ramasan Tchugunov Interrogation Essen 1964
Russian Leader of 2nd Police battalion StA Essen AZ:29 Ks 1/64
ZSL AZ 202 AR-Z 96/60 vol 18 fol 5780
15) Anton Lauer Darmstadt - 1967
EZG C Ukraine AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 11 fol 2390ff
16) Julius Bauer Darmstadt - 1967
Blobel's driver AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 11 fol 3562ff
17) Willi Friedrich Darmstadt - 1967
Leader 3rd police battalion - kharkov AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 11 fol 777ff
18) Hans Rietz Kharkov public trial 1943
Deputy commander of Kharkov Gestapo (soviet trial)
archive of foreign office
of fed rep germany - k206638
19) Wilhelm Findeisen Darmstadt - 1967
Gas van driver - Kiev AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 31 fol 18
20) ? Eisenburger Darmstadt - 1967
Gas van driver - EZG 6 Stalino AZ Ks 1/67
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 269/60 vol 30 fol 220
21) Robert Mohr Wuppertal - 1965?
Leader of EZG 6 AZ 12 Ks 1/62
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 15/60 vol 1 fol 63
22) ? Heidelberger Wuppertal - 1965?
Leader of unit of EZG6 - Rostov AZ 12 Ks 1/62
ZSL AZ 204 AR-Z 15/60 vol 3 fol 129
23) ? Pauly Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver EZG D - Simferopol AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 193f
24) ? Stadler Hanover - 1960
Gas van driver EZG D - Simferopol same as above
25) Walter Kehrer Munich - 1975
EZG D - Simferopol kehrer/max drexler trial
AZ 119c Ks 6a-b/70
26) Dr Kurt Christmann Munich - 1980
Leader of Einsatkom 10a - Krasnodar AZ 119c Ks 314 Js 15264/78
27) ? Hanssen Hanover - 1960
EZK 10b - Crimea AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 83f
28) Paul Zapp ZSL AZ 213 AR 1900/66
Head of Einsatkom 11a - Sebastopol. (court archives?)
29) ? Schiewer Hanover - 1960
EZK 11a - Armavir AZ 2Js 299/68 vol 10 fol 81
30) Johannes Schlupper Munich - 1972
Section leader - Cherkessk AZ 115 Ks 6/71
ZSL AZ 213 AR-Z 1901/66
31) Paul Otto Hanover - 1960
EZK 12 - Piatigorsk AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 58ff.
32) ? Kramp Hanover - 1960
EZK 12 - Piatigorsk AZ 2Js 299/60 vol 10 fol 58ff.
33) Heinz Riedel 14.06.74 Kiel

winess 'Se' - saw wagon
co defendant 'Mei' - admitted driving gas van
witness 'Han' - described trip of gv
34) Kurt Tri - LG Munich - 14.07.72
EZK 10a - Southern Ukraine 114 Ks 4/70
35) Friedrich Sev LG Munich - 14.07.72
EZK 10a - Southern Ukraine 114 Ks 4/70
36) Dr Heinrich Go LG Munich - 14.07.72
EZK 10a - Southern Ukraine 114 Ks 4/70
37) Kurt Trimborn Munich - 14.07.72
Leader of EZK 10a - Jeissk AZ 114 Ks 4a-c/70
38) Dr Gorz Munich - 14.07.72
Member of EZK 10a - Jeissk AZ 114 Ks 4a-c/70
39) ? Schuchart Munich - 23.07.72
EZG - Kertsch AZ 111 Ks 2a-c/71
40) Walter Fi interog 30.09.68
YVA TR.10/1118/7b p402ff
41) Hans Br interog October 68
YVA TR.10/1118/7a p87ff
42) Willy Kr interog 16.08.62
BA B162/3298 p 290
43) Otto Bu interog 16.06.62
BA B162/3298 p 222
44) Karl Ka interog 30.08.60
BA B162/3297 p 45
45) Karl Strohammer interog October 68
YVA TR.10/118/7a p 149f
46) Hans Hasse interog 10.01.63
YVA TR.10/118/5 p 271
47) Adolf Prieb interog October 68
YVA TR.10/1118/7b p 249
48) Hermann Bo interog 08.05.68
BA B162/17033 p 3 ff
49) Gunther St interog 17.09.68
YVA TR.10/1118/7b p 286

F2) Gas vans - Experiments/development :

1) Dr Albert Widmann Interrogation 11.01.60
Chemist Dussledorf - 1959
AZ 8Js 7212/59
Stuttgart - 1967
2) Friedrich Pradel Hannover - 1961 ?
Chief of motor pool Darmstadt - 1967
AZ Ks 1/67
Testimony 5:251-54.
261-62 and 14:03
3) Harry Wientritt Hannover - 02.02.61
Pradels chief mechanic AZ 2 JS 299/60
testimony 5:251-24.
5:207-9
4) Walter Rauff Deposition 28.6.72
Head of Dept 11d RSMO Santiago
StA Hamburg
AZ 147 Js 31/67
affidavit 19.10.45 2348-PS
5) Dr H Hoffman Dussledorf - 1959
Chemist 27.01.59 Hanover
Hanover Az 2 Js 299/60
Interog 13.10.58
BA B162/5066 p 88ff
6) Dr Theodore Leidig Dussledorf - 1959
Chemist Interog 06.02.59
Suttgart Az 13 Js 328/60
BA B162/5066 P106ff
7) Gustav Sorge 07.03.62 - Hanover
Az 2 Js 299/1960
Zsl Az 415 AR-Z 220/59
8) Hans Schmidt interog 11.12.58
BA B162/1602 p 21 cf
9) Andreas von Amburger interog 11.12.58
Nebe's staff member BA B162/2155 p 1329
10) N N Akimova 18.11.46
Russian Doctor

F3) Gas vans - Civilians/inmates :


1) Mendel Vulfovich - 09.12.44 - soviet commission
Jew from Riga Central State Arch of Oct Rev
ZSL USSR file 427/XV/4
Yad Vashem O-53/18
2) Dr Zalman Levinbuck -
Jew from Baranovichi ghetto
3) Boris Dobin - Essen 1964
Jew from Minsk ghetto AZ 29 Ks 1/64
4) Dr Ljudmila Nazarewskaja -
Physician from Rostov
5) Eugenia Ostrovec - Moscow - 1945
Civilian from Piatigorsk (dokumenty obviniaiut)
(documents accuse)
6) ? Fenichel Moscow - 1945
German POW Stavropol (dokumenty obviniaiut)
7) Benno Goldband Munich 1949
Prisoner in Lublin trial of Andreas Hoffman
AZ 1 Ks 18/49
8) Joseph Muller Munich 1949
Prisoner in Lublin trial of Andreas Hoffman
AZ 1 Ks 18/49
9) ? Kotov Moscow - 43 ?

10) 4 staff members of Eysk Hospital LG Munich - 14.07.72
re trial of 3 SS - Kurt Tri, Heinrich Go, Verdict
Freidrich Sev - Esk 10a

Despite no denier having read all of that testimony, somehow, they are all claimed to be lie witnesses. All that shows is that deniers work backwards, claiming that since, in their opinion, gassing was not possible as described, therefore the witnesses lied.
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Re: So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Hans » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:22 am

I have a list of more than 500 eyewitnesses alone on homicidal gas vans, thereof the majority from German paramilitary forces (to be published in the future when it's done). So one can guess that one will end up with more or way more than thousand eyewitnesses for all killings sites on mass gassings.

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Re: So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:08 am

Also, Majdanek is completely missing from the above list: poking around on the camp I've come across 113 testimonies about gassings at Majdanek, ones I’ve read or listened to, seen excerpted, or read summaries of or references to. The number of victims of the Majdanek gas chambers would not have exceeded 15,000-17,500.
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Re: So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Nessie » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:47 pm

Lists such as the one above (which Das Prussian originally posted) I think are great. They just swamp deniers and show that they are making lie claims without possibly having checked all the evidence.
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Re: So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Goody67 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:12 pm

According to the deniers, all eyewitness testimonies are unreliable. The exception is of course only if the testimony is in favour of their claim.
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Re: So, exactly how many "lie-witnesses" are there?

Post by Nessie » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:52 am

Yet they cannot find any testimony that is favourable to them and which would genuinely show there was no Holocaust of death camps and mass gassing. That is odd, considering there are millions who deniers say were not gassed, so there should be millions of witnesses to the process of not being selected to work and leaving the camps with others.

Then there were the Nazis themselves, in particular the guards. When being questioned about their role at the camps and being challenged about the gassing, none replied that they knew nothing, because they were detailed to guard those not selected to work as they left the camp on mass transports.
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