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Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:59 pm

Rudi:
https://codoh.com/library/document/4056/

This footage was recorded on October 25, 2017 from the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. When searching their video archive for the term “gas chamber” the first result is this video. It’s titled “Exhumation; inspection of gas chambers; Lt. Hodges.”

This is footage taken after the liberation of Paris of an alleged Gestapo Torture Chamber near the Eiffel Tower. In the description, we read:

“World War II interiors of gas chamber used by the Germans in the execution of prisoners. Demonstrating method of securing prisoners in gas chambers. Various Close-ups, pipes leading into room.”

And

“hand prints and scratches dug into cement wall of gas chamber by the victims.”

Here are those ominous pipes. They are rather fancy, but not very functional. Most of all, they would have been within reach of the victims, and wouldn’t have survived very long, because they would have been demolished very quickly. Also notice all those windows illuminating this room. How long would those window panes have lasted if the victims inside trashed the place and tried to break out?

For that footage, they even pumped some innocuous, but dramatic-looking smoke through the pipes.

Here are the handprints in the cement, allegedly created by gassing victims during their death throes. Needless to say, handprints can only be made in fresh mortar, and only insane people would use a room as an execution chamber whose walls had just been plastered.

These gas pipes and handprints are not evidence of Nazi atrocities, they are evidence of a deliberate Allied psychological warfare campaign to demonize the defeated Germans. Because this hoax is so obvious, no mainstream historian has ever taken that claim seriously. That does not prevent the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum from presenting it to an unsuspecting audience, though. Unfortunately, most people just accept whatever the government, media, or religion tell them to believe.

So, what was necessary for the Americans, who had liberated Paris several months earlier, to create that footage? First of all, they must have had a plan. Then, they must have had at their disposal the necessary hardware to create the film set: pipes, smoke-generating devices, and some workers able to install that hardware and to create a cement wall with handprints.

In contrast to that utterly unknown Gestapo torture chamber in Paris, Dachau was one of the best-known German concentration camps.
He is talking about this footage:

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1000177

Briefly, his lies so far:

1. "utterly unknown Gestapo torture chamber in Paris"

So unknown there's even a wiki article about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balard_shooting_range

Not to mention this booklet:

http://www.fondationresistance.org/docu ... c00134.pdf

2. "Here are the handprints in the cement"

Cement only appears in the ignorant USHMM description and cannot serve as a basis of any analysis.

They were in the sound-proof asbestos layer covering the wall. See e.g. the official French report quoted in the above booklet.

3. That a USHMM dude who described the video for the collection assumed it was a gas chamber means exactly nothing. It is not claimed to be a gas chamber in this silent footage. As a photo of this room in the booklet above (and a testimony here http://www.souvenirfrancais-issy.com/ar ... 82543.html ) show it was some sort of a furnace room. As the pipes are positioned right opposite the ovens it makes sense that they were exhaust ventilation pipes.

There is zero evidence anything has been tampered with, so Rudi's argument falls flat and shows his fraudulent nature once again.


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There are still points to discuss though.

1. The French policeman points out in his report that the handprints reach as high as 2.5m. This can be seen in the footage too. This would not have been done by faking propagandists for obvious reasons, but the question stands of how this was achieved. Were victims trying to climb the asbestos wall? Why?

2. It seems that it is not known exactly what method of torture was used here. Any details?
http://www.souvenirfrancais-issy.com/ar ... 41057.html
D’abord, il semble certain que les personnes qui ont posé ou fait poser ce mur d’amiante connaissaient parfaitement les caractéristiques du matériau. Des rapports font état des propriétés phoniques de l’amiante. Le mur aurait donc été construit pour limiter les nuisances sonores. De fait, cela peut s’expliquer par la nature même des activités exercées. Pour autant, le mur a-t-il été construit au moment de l’occupation allemande ou avant ? Il convient néanmoins d’indiquer qu’avant la présence allemande aucune note ni rapport ne fait mention de la construction spécifique.
Une deuxième hypothèse, présentée par Adam Rayski dans l’ouvrage Au Stand de Tir consiste en la supposition que les Allemands posèrent ce mur d’amiante et qu’ils le faisaient chauffer grâce à des câbles électriques placés à l’intérieur. Ainsi, monté à haute température, le mur d’amiante permettait d’ôter la vie aux suppliciés qui voulaient s’y accrocher pour échapper aux balles.
3. Why was smoke coming from the pipes? Quite possibly they tried to start up the system and the motor of the ventilator was defective and caught fire? Ideas?

4. Funnily enough, there are indeed gassing claims associated with this complex, albeit utterly unconvincing ones:
https://www.jp-petit.org/nouv_f/issy_ch ... _paris.htm


Any further info on any of this will be appreciated.

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Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:08 pm

Sometimes contemporary reports can help to clear things up.

Would be thankful for the following and any further news items (except for https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/59322567):

William Stewart, “Nazi Chamber of Horrors Near Paris Defies Imagination,” Free Press, 4 September 1944, p. 5
“Handprints of Death in Nazi Torture Chamber,” Star, 5 September 1944, p. 5
“Hundreds Flogged, Burned in Nazi Torture Chamber” Star, 3 October 1944, p. 13.

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:43 pm


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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by Balsamo » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:46 pm

Don't bother...
It was a transit camp!


Seriously, It seems that Rudi, being a professional denier, specially target the description of this place - quite famous by the way, at least in France - as a gas chambers which is an easy target.
Obviously what looks like furnaces are just some coal boiler used as heating system, quite common in those old building, but certainly not "fours crematoires" for bodies.
You can see all the pipes coming from that room.

Frankly the USHMM should be a bit more careful when posting stuff like this.

Now here is a footage with sound.
As the story goes, and as your Australian article mentions, it supposed to be flames that came from the pipes, not gas.
I guess that the expression "almost in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower" is used for more dramatic effect. Issy being outside Paris, and close to the of Renault factory. The poster of the footage locates this place "UNDER" the Eiffel tower.

Here is the footage. From the British Pathe
http://www.military.com/video/operation ... 5180336001

Could be a good idea to find this book
Adam RAYSKI, "Au Stand de Tir, le massacre des resistants"...

Ok here the same footage with another voice, basically the same except the addition that on the wall was also found "the hand of the 3 years old child who was burned in front of his parents". This one seems to be American (?)
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... dead_WW-II

Just after, another footage without sound showing that visits were organized...
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... execution

And finally, another British version - from movietone news - of the footage with sound...on youtube:
electrocution is added as a mean of torture.


EDIT: Sorry messed up with the the last links.

PS: Note that no images of the pipes shown in the USHMM footage is used for those newsreels, and not a mention of gas.

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:56 am

> it supposed to be flames

No, re-read ;)

> Could be a good idea to find this book

Linked to above.

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:24 pm

I would be thankful for

Catherine Coyne, ”Gestapo Hot Air Jets Tortured Parisians Before Execution,” Boston Herald, September 3, 1944.

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by nickterry » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:49 pm

This is the ur-text for many foreign press reports in Canada and the US about Issy le Moulineux

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Re: Fraud Rudolf and the Balard shooting range.

Post by Sergey_Romanov » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:48 am

Some significant updates in the article.

Plus found this article which kinda sums it all up.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DNGissSfId0/ ... /bal18.png