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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:20 pm

FP Berg gets to the heart of his case against Goody67:
BTW, what is your ethnicity?
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Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:04 pm

Jew Berg seems to want to know my ethnicity. I wonder why that is everyone...
Goody67 is such a coward. I asked him to "prove" that even one person antwhere was ever gassed to death by the Nazis. That should have been so easy--forget millions of gassing victims for now--but I continue to get no real answer. And he even calls me a "Jew" which I am NOT.

What a JERK!

BTW, I suspect his ethnicity is extremely relevant to this discussion.

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https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p133316

Poor Jew Berg is biting! ;)
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Post by Balsamo » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:23 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:04 pm
Jew Berg seems to want to know my ethnicity. I wonder why that is everyone...
Goody67 is such a coward. I asked him to "prove" that even one person antwhere was ever gassed to death by the Nazis. That should have been so easy--forget millions of gassing victims for now--but I continue to get no real answer. And he even calls me a "Jew" which I am NOT.

What a JERK!

BTW, I suspect his ethnicity is extremely relevant to this discussion.

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https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p133316
Poor Jew Berg is biting! ;)
Ok the original video seems to have been deleted,
but here is the youtube video of Berg getting suffocating from anger during the debate with Eric Hunt who all of a sudden seems a very reasonable guy by comparison.


This is just one among the 14 or so...so go through to find the best parts... ;)

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:13 pm

Berg is the gift that keeps giving.
“They say..that in Slonim they gathered in the town square 14,000 people...and all were machine-gunned. I ask you, is it possible to believe such a thing?...How can the world remain silent? It is probably not true.”
Calel Perechodnik, Polish Jew, 1942

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:00 am

Balsamo wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:23 pm
Ok the original video seems to have been deleted,
but here is the youtube video of Berg getting suffocating from anger during the debate with Eric Hunt who all of a sudden seems a very reasonable guy by comparison.


This is just one among the 14 or so...so go through to find the best parts... ;)
Jew Berg is incapable of having a reasonable debate. Several times he was told about evidence and dismissed it instantly as part of the "Holocaust hoax that is racist against the Germans". He also repeatedly called the other person a child, stupid, etc. He even had the nerve to describe Jews as having a picnic. He even claimed that the Nazi document for the amount of people killed during the Babi Yar massacres as being falsified by the Soviets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8asDgDFt0os

Skip to 07:50, my goodness!

The guy is a total nutjob.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:06 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:13 pm
Berg is the gift that keeps giving.
YOU ARE LYING!!!!!!!11111111 SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!111111111

The guy sounds like a tape recorder, he repeats himself over and over again.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:37 pm

Berg today on the troubling presence of typhus in LA, AKAIF concentrated among the large homeless and transient population in the city:
Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:14 am
I was thinking of putting this post into the "The Lounge" area of RODOH until I realized that it is extremely relevant to the Holocaust hoax as well.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10- ... to+zero%29

Regardless of the abundance of fleas in the area, typhus could ONLY have been initiated by the presence of some human being carrying the typhus microorganism in his body from a previous typhus infection. All of the fleas carrying typhus will die within a few weeks. The ONLY longterm harbor for typhus is a human being. Were there any Polish Jews in LA? Who knows?

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Is he lampooning himself at this point?
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Jeff_36 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:17 pm

I have posted on this at length in another thread. "Ostkrieg: Hitler's War of Extermination in the East" is, IMO, the definitive account of Nazi plans and attitudes towards Slavs in general and Russians an Poles in particular, which were almost monolithically consistent. I have enumerated the major takeaways from Friz's account - will link the thread in a minute.

1. Anti-Slav racisim was nearly as predominant in Nazi ideology as antisemitism. Hitler referred to Russians on numerous occasions as "beasts" and as "a slave race crying out for a master." This attitude was unrelated to Nazi anticommunism - Hitler held that Russian accomplishments during the Imperial age were attributable to the German ethnic character of its leaders.

2. the goal of Nazi occupation in Russia was colonial, Hitler enumerated the priorities as "exploit, rule, and administer." It would have looked a lot like Belgian colonial rule in the Congo free state, albeit in a more organized and systemic fashion.

3. Goering stressed that "reduction" of certain (ethnically undesirable) populations would have been "desirable".

4. Rosenberg came across as less genocidal towards Russians than other Nazi officials, but even he acknowledged that "we have no duty to feed the Russian people.....(they) have some very hard years ahead."

5. Himmler's own plans for the occupied east were more radical than Rosenberg - he favored systemic reduction of the population through starvation, targeted deportations, and mass conscription for slave labor. Hitler seemed to favor this version more than any other. We must note that Erhard Wetzel, the official whose critical commentary on Generaplan Ost survived the war, was an employee of Rosenberg, and that his comments on Himmler's plan were likely ignored by the latter due to Himmler's disdain for Rosenberg.

6. In any event, the destruction of major Russian cities and the extermination of their populations was a universal feature in post-war plans. Goering characterized it as reversing Russia's industrial progress and returning it to serfdom.

7. Nazi plans in regards to the Poles were bluntly expressed as having the end goal of "suppressing their biological development." The Zamosc Episode of 1941-42 is a good indicator of what this would have looked like.

The following is a summary of this episode by Fritz
Put under the direction of the thuggish and odious Odilo Globocnik, this trial run to sort out the problems involved in the implementation of population policy proved disastrous, as Globocnik’s violent and harsh methods provoked exactly the sort of backlash that Frank had feared. In order to make room for German colonists, in November 1942 Globocnik’s men began uprooting over 100,000 people from some three hundred villages in the Zamosc region who were then sent for “selection” to camps at Maidanek and Auschwitz. There, they were racially screened: some of the adults and children were to be Germanized and “won back to the German nation”; the remaining children and the elderly were sent to “retirement villages,” where they would starve to death; other adults were to replace Jewish forced laborers, who would then be killed; the rest would be sent to the gas chambers at Auschwitz. 30 with Poles bound for work in the armaments industry. There, they were exchanged with the so-called arms factory Jews, who had stayed alive working in the armaments industry but were now superfluous. Trains from Berlin would then carry the Jews to Auschwitz; after unloading their “cargo,” they would then transport Volksdeutsche, primarily from Southeastern Europe, to the Zamosc region. Here, the incoming German colonists would be met by SS resettlement agents, relocated in the surrounding area, and given land that had been seized from the Poles. From Zamosc, the trains would return to Auschwitz with those Poles deemed “undesirable.” This “population exchange” was, thus, part of a pilot demographic project in which highly productive German agricultural settlements would be created in the east, with the Poles displaced either Germanized, put in forced labor, or killed and the Jews murdered immediately.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Jeff_36 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:25 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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I still don’t understand why Berg doesn’t just give it up, admits that he admires the Germans for trying to eliminate all of Europe’s Jews and furthermore admits he is sad he couldn’t participate.
Nail on the head.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Jeff_36 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:31 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:50 am
I was the first person to accuse Berg of being a Jew back at Rodoh 1 ... the cheap brown suit, massive proboscis, Brooklyn accent...

Pooshie did it later with a much better audience... stressed his ass both times.

His only protege left now would seem to be Smith ("the non-anti-semitic").... must have been interesting to see protege Hunt quit.
I recall a matter of some humorous rumination during his radio debate with Roberto was the fact that Berg sounded like a New York Jew and Roberto sounded like a villain in an old WWII film.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:50 am

Jeff_36 wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:17 pm
I have posted on this at length in another thread. "Ostkrieg: Hitler's War of Extermination in the East" is, IMO, the definitive account of Nazi plans and attitudes towards Slavs in general and Russians an Poles in particular, which were almost monolithically consistent. I have enumerated the major takeaways from Friz's account - will link the thread in a minute.

1. Anti-Slav racisim was nearly as predominant in Nazi ideology as antisemitism. Hitler referred to Russians on numerous occasions as "beasts" and as "a slave race crying out for a master." This attitude was unrelated to Nazi anticommunism - Hitler held that Russian accomplishments during the Imperial age were attributable to the German ethnic character of its leaders.
Ironically, the Nazis actually did consider the Slavs to be Aryans or of 'related blood' to the Germans. In fact, Poles and Russians were used as examples.

Another irony is that during WW2 the Poles were placed on the 'Aryan side' away from the Jews but Polish men were hanged for having sexual relations with German women (the only exception was when a Pole was considered to be racially valuable). Why did the Nazis hang an Aryan for having sexual relations with another Aryan? It makes no sense! Himmler was even more extreme during WW2 and issued a further decree which punished prisoners of war of Western origin with the death penalty for having sexual relations with German women. He went even further and issued another decree in 1942 which stated that the punishment for any "unauthorized sexual intercourse" was the death penalty.
2. the goal of Nazi occupation in Russia was colonial, Hitler enumerated the priorities as "exploit, rule, and administer." It would have looked a lot like Belgian colonial rule in the Congo free state, albeit in a more organized and systemic fashion.
Hitler stated clearly, "What India was for England, the territories of Russia will be for us."
3. Goering stressed that "reduction" of certain (ethnically undesirable) populations would have been "desirable".
Also, according to Bach-Zelewski, Himmler stated openly: "It is a question of existence, thus it will be a racial struggle of pitiless severity, in the course of which 20 to 30 million Slavs and Jews will perish through military actions and crises of food supply."
4. Rosenberg came across as less genocidal towards Russians than other Nazi officials, but even he acknowledged that "we have no duty to feed the Russian people.....(they) have some very hard years ahead."
Rosenberg also favoured collaboration with the Ukrainians and advocated the idea of a Ukrainian buffer state. Goebbels also agreed with him.

During the Nuremberg Trials, Rosenberg stated:
The thought of a physical annihilation of Slavs and Jews, that is to say, the actual murder of entire peoples, has never entered my mind and I most certainly did not advocate it in any way. I was of the opinion that the existing Jewish question would have to be solved by the creation of a minority right, by emigration, or by settling the Jews in a national territory over a ten-year period of time. The White Paper of the British Government of 24 July 1946 shows how historical developments can bring about measures which were never previously planned.

The practice of the German State Leadership in the war, as proven here during the Trial, differed completely from my ideas. To an ever-increasing degree Adolf Hitler drew persons to himself who were not my comrades, but my opponents. With reference to their pernicious deeds I must state that they were not practising the National Socialism for which millions of believing men and women had fought, but rather, shamefully misusing it. It was a degeneration which I, too, very strongly condemned.

I frankly welcome the idea that a crime of genocide is to be outlawed by international agreement and placed under the severest penalties, with the natural provision that neither now nor in the future shall genocide be permitted in any way against the German people either.
Of course he was lying, he said in November 1941:
Some six million Jews still live in the East, and this question can only be solved by a biological extermination of the whole of Jewry in Europe. The Jewish Question will only be solved for Germany when the last Jew has left German territory, and for Europe when not a single Jew stands on the European continent as far as the Urals... And to this end it is necessary to force them beyond the Urals or otherwise bring about their eradication.
5. Himmler's own plans for the occupied east were more radical than Rosenberg - he favored systemic reduction of the population through starvation, targeted deportations, and mass conscription for slave labor. Hitler seemed to favor this version more than any other. We must note that Erhard Wetzel, the official whose critical commentary on Generaplan Ost survived the war, was an employee of Rosenberg, and that his comments on Himmler's plan were likely ignored by the latter due to Himmler's disdain for Rosenberg.
Himmler's bizarre plans are told in great detail in the following books:

Peter Longerich, Himmler: A Life
Chris Hale, Himmler's Crusade
Heather Pringle: The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust
Richard Breitman, Architect of Genocide: Himmler and the Final Solution
Roger Manvell and Heinrich Fraenkel, Heinrich Himmler

He was a nutjob.
6. In any event, the destruction of major Russian cities and the extermination of their populations was a universal feature in post-war plans. Goering characterized it as reversing Russia's industrial progress and returning it to serfdom.
Indeed, and the following document which Hitler agreed with gives a clear indication of the future of the "subhuman people of the East" [Untermenschenvolk des Osten]

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=63400
7. Nazi plans in regards to the Poles were bluntly expressed as having the end goal of "suppressing their biological development." The Zamosc Episode of 1941-42 is a good indicator of what this would have looked like.
They even reduced the marriage age for Poles. Everything was aimed to reduce the Poles as slaves for the German master race.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

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Everything was aimed to reduce the Poles as slaves for the German master race.
You believe your own lies. Amazing. Everything was aimed to reduce the Polish aggression to be controllable. You are a bit of a distorter of reality. I wonder what your scheming motive is really?

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You believe your own lies. Amazing. Everything was aimed to reduce the Polish aggression to be controllable. You are a bit of a distorter of reality. I wonder what your scheming motive is really?
What lies?

What "Polish aggression"?
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The racial discrimination of Poles was codified in the so-called Polish Decrees (German: Polenerlasse) and exemplified in the anti-Polish poster below published by Volksbund für das Deutschtum im Ausland (Association for 'Germanness' abroad) Gauverband Danzig Westpreußen (Association of the “shire or county”, Gdansk, West Prussia)
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The VdA badge = Verein für das Deutschtum im Ausland (Association for Germanness abroad)


Our Statement Regarding the Question of the Poles within the Reich

The Reichsführer SS and Chief of the German Police has decreed by order of Reichsmarschall Göring and others, that all male and female workers of Polish descent are at all times bound to visibly display on the right hand side of the chest on each piece of clothing the cloth badge pictured on the right in its actual size. The badge is to be permanently sown on.



The German people experience today the formation of its Volksreich (idea of having all German speaking people within the boundaries of one country) and realize that in future there will be foreign elements within its lebensraum (space to live). It is evident that the use of Polish workers on the land and in the factories in the whole Reich has led to some questions arising regarding national identity. The Volksreich can only last forever, if every German acts conscious of his nationality and if he can cope with all these questions by himself. Laws can do no more than provide rules that support coexistence with the non-Germans. Most important of all is the intuitive, confident attitude of each individual. It is therefore of the utmost importance to alert the whole nation to the dangers which arise when coexisting with non-Germans.

Therefore it is necessary to take every opportunity to enlighten and to keep pointing out the atrocities that the Polish people committed towards our ethnic Germans as well as to ask for caution towards the Polish workers.

German people! Never forget that it was the atrocities of the Polish that forced the Führer to protect our German people with his armed forces.

September 1939 claimed the lives of 58,000 ethnic Germans in Poland. There is no atrocity which was not committed during this time: Withholding food for days, stick blows, blows with rifle butts, executions without reason, blinding of people and rape. German people were caused suffering in Polish prisons which had to be thought up by sub-humans with animalistic traits. Men, women and children, defenceless old and sick people were tortured to death during their forced removal. A young person was doused with petrol and burnt in an oven, a locomotive drove into the back of a carriage full of displaced people. There are countless examples of this kind.

Members of that nation have come here as farm workers and factory workers and as prisoners of war, because their manpower must not be wasted and must therefore be used for the construction of the Reich. Anyone, who has dealings with them in an official or professional capacity, must realize that the hatred of the Poles is stronger today than ever and that the Poles have much more experience in the Volkstumskampf (ethnic struggle) than the Germans and that they still believe in building a new, larger Poland with the aid of the enemy powers.

The submissiveness shown by Poles towards Germans is deceitful. Their friendly manner is put on. Caution should be exercised everywhere, so as not to abet the banding together of Poles and possible spy activity.

There is no common ground whatsoever between Germans and Poles.

German Citizen, be proud and remember what the Polish people did to you! If someone approaches you and tells you his Pole was a decent person, retort like this: Nowadays everyone knows a decent Pole, like everyone used to know a decent Jew!

The German Volksgemeinschaft (community of the people) is at stake:

Fellow German, be especially careful not to establish relations due to the shared religion within the areas which are mainly Catholic. It is wrong to assume that the Poles who constantly greet others with: “Praised be Jesus Christ” are decent people and to reply with: “For ever and ever, amen.”

German Citizen! The Pole is never your comrade!

His position is below that of any fellow German on your farm or in your factory. Be just, as you always are as a German, but be constantly aware that you are a member of the Herrenvolk (the master race). The German army is fighting for peace in Europe. You, Fellow German, are responsible for peace in the new, larger Germany and you have to win every nationality-related trial of strength, which is determined by the people of different nationalities living together.
Otto Reche justified the invasion of Poland in 1939 in a letter to Albert Brackmann by stating:
We need Raum but no Polish lice on our fur. I am absolutely of the opinion that the racial-scientific side is determinative in the solution of all these questions since we do not want to build a German people in the East in the future that would only be a linguistically germanised, racial mish-mash, with strong asiatic elements, and Polish in character. That would be no German Volk, nor a corner stone [sic] for a German future!...Since I also know the anthropological conditions in Poland and know what is racially and hereditarily useful in this people and what at all events is to be driven out of the German settlement area, I believe I have gathered together in the course of many years several ideas which should now be used for the general good and for our future.
Joseph Goebbels recorded in his diary:
The Führer's judgement on the Poles is annihilatory (vernichtend). More like animals than human beings, completely primitive, stupid, and amorphous. And a ruling class that is an unsatisfactory result of a mingling between the lower orders and an Aryan master race. The Poles' dirtiness is unimaginable. Their capacity for intelligent judgment is absolutely nil.
Goebbels ordered propaganda to issue in October 1939:
It must become clear to everybody in Germany, even to the last milkmaid, that Polishness is equal to subhumanity. Poles, Jews and Gypsies are on the same inferior level. This must be clearly outlined [...] until every citizen of Germany has it encoded in his subconsciousness that every Pole, whether a worker or intellectual, should be treated like vermin.
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Post by Jeff_36 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:51 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:50 am
Rosenberg also favoured collaboration with the Ukrainians and advocated the idea of a Ukrainian buffer state. Goebbels also agreed with him.

Deniers LOVE to quote Rosenberg on this subject. Michael Mills at AHF in particular was known for it back in the day. However, they ignore the degree to which he was an outlier on this subject - especially compared to Himmler, who by all accounts could not have given less of a {!#%@} about what Rosenberg had to say. They also ignore that Hitler seemed to favor Himmler over Rosenberg.

For example, after the submission of Wetzel's commentary on Generalplan Ost, Himmler (according to Fritz) actually increased the area that was to be subjected to ethnic clearing in his subsequent revision. By doing this he essentially stated "the wall just got ten feet higher!"

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Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
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Deniers LOVE to quote Rosenberg on this subject. Michael Mills at AHF in particular was known for it back in the day. However, they ignore the degree to which he was an outlier on this subject - especially compared to Himmler, who by all accounts could not have given less of a {!#%@} about what Rosenberg had to say. They also ignore that Hitler seemed to favor Himmler over Rosenberg.

For example, after the submission of Wetzel's commentary on Generalplan Ost, Himmler (according to Fritz) actually increased the area that was to be subjected to ethnic clearing in his subsequent revision. By doing this he essentially stated "the wall just got ten feet higher!"
Bormann supported the hard-line approach of Erich Koch, Reichskommissar in Reichskommissariat Ukraine, in his brutal treatment of Slavic people. Alfred Rosenberg, serving as head of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, favoured a more moderate policy. After touring collective farms around Vinnytsia, Ukraine, Bormann was concerned about the health and good physical constitution of the population, as he was concerned that they could constitute a danger to the regime. After discussion with Hitler, he issued a policy directive to Rosenberg that read in part:
The Slavs are to work for us. In so far as we don't need them, they may die. The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable. As to food, they are to not get more than necessary. We are the masters; we come first.
With regards to importing people as foreign slave workers to fight against Bolshevism, Bormann wrote in 1943 memorandum:
It impossible to win someone over to a new idea while insulting his inner sense of worth at the same time. One cannot expect the highest level of performance from people who are called beasts, barbarians, and subhuman. Instead, positive qualities such as the will to fight Bolshevism, the desire to safeguard one's own existence and that of one's country, commitment and willingness to work are to be encouraged and promoted. Moreover, everything must be done to encourage the necessary cooperation of the European peoples in the fight against Bolshevism.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:04 pm

These posts reflect my understanding, too. I have long wondered what impact a Rosenberg line would have had on the occupation; Erickson has material on Stalin's countermoves that made me think that the Rosenberg line wouldn't have helped much - but it was not the approach that prevailed. (http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... ov#p646015).
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Post by Jeff_36 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:21 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:24 pm
Jeff_36 wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:51 pm
Deniers LOVE to quote Rosenberg on this subject. Michael Mills at AHF in particular was known for it back in the day. However, they ignore the degree to which he was an outlier on this subject - especially compared to Himmler, who by all accounts could not have given less of a {!#%@} about what Rosenberg had to say. They also ignore that Hitler seemed to favor Himmler over Rosenberg.

For example, after the submission of Wetzel's commentary on Generalplan Ost, Himmler (according to Fritz) actually increased the area that was to be subjected to ethnic clearing in his subsequent revision. By doing this he essentially stated "the wall just got ten feet higher!"
Bormann supported the hard-line approach of Erich Koch, Reichskommissar in Reichskommissariat Ukraine, in his brutal treatment of Slavic people. Alfred Rosenberg, serving as head of the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, favoured a more moderate policy. After touring collective farms around Vinnytsia, Ukraine, Bormann was concerned about the health and good physical constitution of the population, as he was concerned that they could constitute a danger to the regime. After discussion with Hitler, he issued a policy directive to Rosenberg that read in part:
The Slavs are to work for us. In so far as we don't need them, they may die. The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable. As to food, they are to not get more than necessary. We are the masters; we come first.
This is indicative of the degree to which Koch's policies were an extension of Hitler's own ideas. Contrary to Mills, Rosenberg was the exception to the rule, and Koch was the norm when it came to civil administration of the eastern territories. While it is true that Kube was not as openly genocidal as Koch, he nonetheless made clear reference to eradication of the local population in some correspondence.



It impossible to win someone over to a new idea while insulting his inner sense of worth at the same time. One cannot expect the highest level of performance from people who are called beasts, barbarians, and subhuman. Instead, positive qualities such as the will to fight Bolshevism, the desire to safeguard one's own existence and that of one's country, commitment and willingness to work are to be encouraged and promoted. Moreover, everything must be done to encourage the necessary cooperation of the European peoples in the fight against Bolshevism.
This change of face happened in 1943 as the occupation was coming to an end. It was brought about by political expediency and even then it made Hitler uncomfortable.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:37 pm

Lots of "compromises" late in the war (e.g., Jews back to the Reich for labor), for expediency, which should not be confused with long-term thinking or policy goals, which deniers like doing.
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Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:16 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:21 pm
This is indicative of the degree to which Koch's policies were an extension of Hitler's own ideas. Contrary to Mills, Rosenberg was the exception to the rule, and Koch was the norm when it came to civil administration of the eastern territories. While it is true that Kube was not as openly genocidal as Koch, he nonetheless made clear reference to eradication of the local population in some correspondence.
The vast majority of the people put into positions in the East were anti-Slavic or at least were exposed to anti-Slavic propaganda.

Hitler, Koch, Himmler, Bormann and other Nazis laughed at people like Goebbels and Rosenberg.
This change of face happened in 1943 as the occupation was coming to an end. It was brought about by political expediency and even then it made Hitler uncomfortable.
Exactly. If the Nazis had used their brains then they would have realised that collaboration with the native peoples of the East that had suffered because of the Soviets would have changed a lot of things during the war. Many of the Ukrainian locals actually welcomed the invading Germans, well that initial welcoming did not last long.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:23 pm

Were they saying that Poland had been attacking Germany?

Well lookie here:

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:24 pm

Not sure what the sauce/source of this is.

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Post by Goody67 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:26 pm

Himmler said in a 1931 speech to the SS:
An SSF [SS leader] will never keep someone with a typical Slav face in his unit for very long because so long as that person is in the troop or storm (Sturm), he will never get the troop or storm into a proper order. He will soon notice there is no community of blood with the other comrades, who are of more Nordic descent. The passport photos that have to be submitted together with the application forms ensure that Reich headquarters can suspect the heads of the SS candidates. One only needs to try the experiment of admitting a Mongol to the SS; it's certain that he will be thrown out during the trial period. But so long as this Mongol is in the SS it will be impossible to create the spirit which is essential for the SS. The breaking-point will come when the racially pure person will stay the course whereas the racially impure will fall by the wayside.
Peter Longerich, Himmler: A Life, page 123.

There is also evidence that Himmler regarded himself as the reincarnated Henry the Fowler who led the German expansion into the East and against the Slavs.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:10 pm

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 00#p136781

Deniers on the RODOH forum refusing to accept that the Nazis viewed the Slavs as racially inferior.

The idiots think that the Nazis recruiting non-Germanic people to fight for the Waffen-SS is proof that the Nazis were not anti-Slavic. Perhaps they should look at what Himmler demanded for the division that was compromised of mainly Ukrainians - the terms 'Ukrainians' and 'Ukraine' were forbidden. They hated the fact that Slavs were fighting on the German side.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:43 am

Darren Wilshak wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:24 pm
Not sure what the sauce/source of this is.
Source is:

Gilbert's Nuremberg Diary @ p 278....

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:08 pm

Ingrao (The Promise of the East, pp xii-xiii, 113, 115) summarizes the consequences of the succession of German plans for the East for the "non-native" inhabitants of the Eastern lands that the Nazis hoped to conquer and colonize for "Germans." Ingrao also calls out the Jewish policy aspect of this. To create his summary Ingrao uses the Generalplan Ost (third version, RKFdv), the Generalsiedlungsplan (late 1942-early 1943, RKFdv), and the "Beyer-Ehlich" plan (RSHA Amt IIIB (Feb-Mar 1943), relying in part on lectures delivered by Justus Beyer at a symposium in Bernau in Feb 1943 and by Hans Ehlich to NSDStB leaders on 12 December 1942 along with a long critical document prepared in the Ostministerium by Erhard Wetzel, race expert of the ministry (NG 2325).

Ingrao's conclusion is that the planners had a general consensus by 1943 that the "undesirable" inhabitants of the to-be-Germanized East had to be dealt with, over a few decades, getting rid of these undesirables to open up the territory for German colonization, settlement, and development. The "undesirables" ("removable" in one way or another) were broken down as follows: 19.5 million Poles (85% of Poles), 3.5 million Czechs (50%), 2 million Baltics (50%), 3.8 million Belarussians (75%), and 19.5 million Galician Ukrainians (65%). The total of "removable" individuals in the eastern areas was thus just shy of 48 million.

Leaving aside the Jews in this territory, according to Ingrao, there would be a "spatial repression" (Wetzel) of 31 million people - that is, expulsion by forced deportation. The remaining nearly 17 million people were not to be deported but subject to, in Ingrao's words, "physical elimination" (per Ehlich). Components of this physical elimination process were to be the Hunger Plan, extermination through labor, murder by anti-partisan units, or extermination in camps.

As for the Jews, Ingrao shows that plans for the East assumed the removal of Jews from eastern territory, without giving details on this removal process. Here, Ingrao steps back and looks at Europe's Jewish population as a whole, estimated by German planners to be 11.3 million ("all now destined for extermination") of whom about 8.4 million had lived in the East. By early 1943, half the eastern Jews were dead. Ingrao makes use also in this context of the Wannsee protocol and the Korherr Report.

Ingrao calls out a question asked by Wetzel in his long document, namely, whether "Jews were to be eliminated before evacuation" to the occupied USSR, thus implying that Jews were, if not murdered before evacuation, to be murdered in the occupied East, where at the time of Wetzel's report, March 1942, 700,000 Jews had been murdered by the killing units operating in the occupied territories.

Thus, the combination of German plans for the East and the "direct genocide" of the Jews called for the "violent death" of 25.3 million people, more than half of them non-Jewish inhabitants of the eastern areas, and the deportation of 31 million others, all of them non-Jews, as core elements of German plans for the war and postwar.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:48 am

When I have a minute Aly has some interesting things to say about that in “Architects.”
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