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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:58 am

monty wrote:
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:59 am

http://auschwitz.org/en/type-of-publica ... 257.html#2

The second one by Franciszek Piper is still hot off the press. Just more promotionist revision crapola printed in 2014 as another great white joo hope!

Get serious you mutt!

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:04 am

Fail. I own and have read the Bankier collection. It was published in 2012 by Yad Vashem and makes use of interviews taken after the war in the DP camps.

Does this mean you haven’t read Bankier’s collection and yet you’re carrying on as though no such thing exists?

We await your “dog ate my homework” excuse relative to the other titles I linked to.

You’re pathetic.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:05 am

montgomery wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:You decided you didn’t want to discuss any one of the three eyewitnesses I named for Treblinka. Or do you forget that?

In the meantime, please, your thoughts on the testimony collections I posted links to?
You know the rules of the game now. Produce one or toddle off to your housefly hobby.
Still chicken, we notice.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:06 am

montgomery wrote:http://auschwitz.org/en/type-of-publica ... 257.html#2

The second one by Franciszek Piper is still hot off the press. Just more promotionist revision crapola printed in 2014 as another great white joo hope!

Get serious you mutt!
Idiot, these books are collections of postwar testimonies that have been collected and published recently.

If you haven’t read them and can’t comment it is fine. In fact it is what is expected.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:07 am

:hmm: This doesn't Boder well.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:08 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
montgomery wrote:http://auschwitz.org/en/type-of-publica ... 257.html#2

The second one by Franciszek Piper is still hot off the press. Just more promotionist revision crapola printed in 2014 as another great white joo hope!

Get serious you mutt!
Idiot, these books are collections of postwar testimonies that have been collected and published recently.

If you haven’t read them and can’t comment it is fine. In fact it is what is expected.
Why bother...

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:08 am

Done. He failed miserably.
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Post by VFX » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:11 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote: Still chicken, we notice.
Are you in collusion with eggs?: well it aint a chicken yet just albumin.

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:14 am

VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote: Still chicken, we notice.
Are you in collusion with eggs?: well it aint a chicken yet just albumin.
VFX, Tell me friend, is there one single book that was published in the 40's that is written by an eye witness or an historian, that hasn't been tarnished with lies and exaggerations?

Or is it just time for me to stop trying to get one out of numbnuts?

I mean, this used to be funny, now it's a complete and utter clusterfuq of precocious brats kicking and screaming and baying at the moon! :frown:

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Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:21 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Done. He failed miserably.
No other outcome expected.

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:21 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Fail. I own and have read the Bankier collection. It was published in 2012 by Yad Vashem and makes use of interviews taken after the war in the DP camps.

Does this mean you haven’t read Bankier’s collection and yet you’re carrying on as though no such thing exists?

We await your “dog ate my homework” excuse relative to the other titles I linked to.

You’re pathetic.
Printed in 2012? A fabrication of collected lies. I want something from the 40's and you don't have anything you can stand behind. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!

Now I'm feeling really, really skeptical!

But I'll wait for Doctor Terry because this isn't a challenge for a kid with numb nuts.

How about telling us all about your latest Dr. Suesse book? Or your latest night out with your wife and the houseflies?

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Post by VFX » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:21 am

montgomery wrote: VFX, Tell me , is there one single book that was published in the 40's that is written by an eye witness or an historian, that hasn't been tarnished with lies and exaggerations?
Nineteen Eighty-Four by Orwell published 8 June 1949 set in the year 1984 when most of the world population have become victims of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and propaganda.
This is the world these schmucks live in not ours.
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Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:26 am

VFX wrote:
montgomery wrote: VFX, Tell me , is there one single book that was published in the 40's that is written by an eye witness or an historian, that hasn't been tarnished with lies and exaggerations?
Nineteen Eighty-Four by Orwell published 8 June 1949 set in the year 1984 when most of the world population have become victims of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and propaganda.
This is the world these schmucks live in not ours.
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Read it a couple of times. Yup, as I thought, there is no solid evidence from the 40's. None. zero. nada. Zilch. Zip. over and out!

Probably nothing from the earl 50's either and mainly because people thought they could spin lampshade yarns back then and get away with it. Or stage a gas chamber setting with the big bad Nazi shadow on the wall. OOOOOOoooooo!

Pathetic bunch of immature posers!

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Balsamo » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:05 am

You're so...fake, Monty...

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Post by VFX » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:11 am

Balsamo wrote:You're so...fake, Monty...
Is this some sort of a dialogue which suggests you are less "fake" than he is. There is the subtle suggestion that this is what you are implying, that somehow you are superior and more worthy of being listened to?

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Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:17 am

Wtf are you talking about, you didn't come here to listen to me or anyone else.

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Post by VFX » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:25 am

Balmoral95 wrote:Wtf are you talking about, you didn't come here to listen to me or anyone else.
Of course I am here to listen to you. You need to be more patient as for some of us slow learners, English is not our first language. ;)

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:35 am

VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:Wtf are you talking about, you didn't come here to listen to me or anyone else.
Of course I am here to listen to you. You need to be more patient as for some of us slow learners, English is not our first language. ;)
Fine, take your time.

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Post by nickterry » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:26 am

montgomery wrote: For a different sort of look at history see Barry Broadfoot's series of books. Especially see "The War Years". It's authored by Broadfoot but written by dozens of military people, and others who speak in their own words. You won't find any better raw truth.
Barry Broadfoot's books were apparently published between 1973 and 1989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Broadfoot
the titles you mentioned were oral history compilations.

So your own example verges on thirty years off your stated target of something from the 1940s.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:32 am

scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: This doesn't Boder well.
LOL (I couldn't find a link quickly last night, found one this morning: http://voices.iit.edu/david_boder - more core testimonies from the 1940s with which montgomery is unfamiliar - which fact will not stop him from pontificating about the supposed lack of such testimonies)

If it mattered, I'd make a list of witness names given to montgomery and fitting his increasingly narrow demands, which in turn he's refused to discuss whilst pretending never to have gotten the names ... but, like montgomery himself, it doesn't matter and isn't worth the minimal effort.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:44 pm

montgomery wrote:https://www.amazon.com/Expulsion-Exterm ... 187.html#2

That one by Bankler doesn't even seem to be published yet! Or is it such a wet rag that Amazon or other sellers won't list it. Nope! That one fails and I'm not going to do your homework by going through your list of gags to find one that dates to the 40's.

And especially when you've told me that the good doctor pretty well said one doesn't exist. And doesn't have to exist either, so there! Idiot numbnuts.

Fill your boots fast or I'm going to own you.
Correction re: my reply to this post made earlier; Amazon lists the volume as having a pub date of 2012; I checked this morning and it is actually 2011; the testimonies collected in the Bankier book number 80 taken from the DP camp interviews in the Koniuchovsky collection; these interviews were done over the period 1946-1948. The interview records are at Yad Vashem in the O.71 series.

For those keeping score at home, some other well-known post-war Holocaust testimonies, which montgomery no longer wants to hear about, are the DEGOB testimonies from Hungarian Jews (1945-1948, 3500 testimonies); Warsaw testimonies collected in Kermish's book To Live with Honor and Die with Honor (the tip of the iceberg that is the Oyneg Shabes collection); scads of diaries including famous ones like Kruk and Tory (Lithuania), Kaplan and Lewin (Warsaw), Perechodnik (Otwock), Goldfard (Galicia) - this list could go on and on; testimonies of Treblinka escapees like Rabinowitz and Krzepicki and other such AR testimonies; the testimonies of Heinz May, Winer, and Podchlebnik; as noted above many Auschwitz witness accounts which the Auschwitz Museum has been publishing in the Voices of Memory series; and so on. The number of testimonies from the '40s is mind-boggling; that a member of this forum isn't aware of this fact is also mind-boggling.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:57 pm

U forgot "Bankler" again... wait... nvrmd. :-P



(Probably solves part of the mystery why their knowledge is so...slim and dim.)
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Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:14 pm

nickterry wrote:
montgomery wrote: For a different sort of look at history see Barry Broadfoot's series of books. Especially see "The War Years". It's authored by Broadfoot but written by dozens of military people, and others who speak in their own words. You won't find any better raw truth.
Barry Broadfoot's books were apparently published between 1973 and 1989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Broadfoot
the titles you mentioned were oral history compilations.

So your own example verges on thirty years off your stated target of something from the 1940s.
Yes, that's true on when his books were published. My intention was to show you a different look at history in which eye witnesses spoke of the times during the war. And their testimonies can be judged on whether they are truthful or not. But you seem to be already showing me that your attitude is not receptive to hearing about that.

I think that as a historian you must know of eye witness testimonies and historians' testimonies from the 40's that would tell us what we need to know about the holocaust. And so if my guess is right then my question becomes, why won't you produce any of them?

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:20 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote::hmm: This doesn't Boder well.
LOL (I couldn't find a link quickly last night, found one this morning: http://voices.iit.edu/david_boder - more core testimonies from the 1940s with which montgomery is unfamiliar - which fact will not stop him from pontificating about the supposed lack of such testimonies)

If it mattered, I'd make a list of witness names given to montgomery and fitting his increasingly narrow demands, which in turn he's refused to discuss whilst pretending never to have gotten the names ... but, like montgomery himself, it doesn't matter and isn't worth the minimal effort.
Boder could be something that's interesting to read but I'm cautious on accepting anything you try to produce as evidence because you have lied several times already.

So I didn't read Boder but I scanned down to the bottom and found a copyright for 2009. So without wasting time on it, can you first tell me who the writer was who produced that. And then, maybe we can dig a little deeper and determine if anybody who have reproduced the legend can be trusted?

The sepia tone was tantalizing! But I think we should leave the history stuff to doctor Terry. Maybe he will pick up on your offering and recommend it?

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:...montgomery...isn't worth the minimal effort.
To all appearances: Bingo!
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Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:31 pm

It's for the better that none of you pranksters interfere right now in the discussion with doctor Terry. Maybe later if doctor Terry hasn't produced something of interest. Not that you all shouldn't keep trying, but just keep the silly pranks to yourselves.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:43 pm

For those who are interested, for real, again just scratching the surface, here are some more resources related to testimonies (including many from the 1940s of course):

DasPrussian's list of ~300 witnesses who testified about gassings

At the time DasPrussian compiled his list I sent him the following witnesses who gave testimony concerning gassing at Majdanek:
Goldshore Sonia
Birenbaum (née Grynsztajn) Halina
Gruber Sol
Kestenberg Jurek
Marcus Hadassah
Pfefer Jerzy
Tcharnabroda Roma
Topas George
Zelechower Natan
Donat Alexander
Gutter Pinchas
Turkieltaub Symcha
Silberschein Abraham
Apelbaum Chela
Epstein-Kozlowski Nechama
Greenbaum Helen
Minc Dora
Peltz Walter
Rybak Rywka
Schwartz Jack
Solowjew
Böttcher Anna
Goldland Benno
Hospodarek and Matyasek
Okupjak
2013 testimony
K. Helen
indictment in Hackmann et al
Dziennik Polski
Olszański Stanisław
Rehder Otto
Kardaszewski
Morawski (Murawski)
Novak Jan
Górski Adolf
Kwiatkowski Jerzy
Fissel Adduf (Adolf?)
Benen Anton
Bohdanowicz Maria
Brzosko-Medryk Danuta (Danusia)
Godlewski Zygmunt
Gryta Marcin
Lopatiuk Alicja
Pawlak Zacheusz
Perzanowska Stefania
Świderska Stefania
Wallisch Erna
Wegrzecka Jadwiga
Domb Lucina
Ludwiczak Janina
Mennenga Udo
Shtable Hans
Wolski Jan
Zelent Stanislaw
Sztaba Romauld
Sobol Leon

Abend Dora
Niedek Anna-Jadwiga
Oschlewski Josef
Ossowska Wanda
Siejwa Feliks
Stabholz Tadeusz
Szczęśniewski Jerzy Henryk
Wdzięczny Kazimierz
Müller Joseph
Benden Ludwig
Gröner Georg
Stanisławski Andrzej
Cezarsky
Ostrowska Henryka
Fischer Ernst
Polish underground
"Opus" Camp resistance report
Polish underground
Polish underground
Polish underground
Contract Alexander
Dr. Konajko
Stetdiener
Atrokhov (Atrochow)
Ehlert Hertha
H. Luzie
Pfannstiel (Wallisch) Erna
M. Heinz
Ruppert Friedrich Wilhelm
Stalp Heinz
Seitz Robert
Muhsfeldt Erich
Müller Heinz
Reinartz A. W. (Willi)
Hensche / Henschke Otto
Hackmann Hermann
Taubert Erhard
W. Georg
Schollen (Schölen) Theodor
Ettrich Rudolf
Gerstenmeier Wilhelm
Thernes
Rockinger
Skibinska
Terner
H. Herbert wife of
Hoffmann Lothar
Wisliceny Dieter
Morgen Konrad
Sporrenberg Jakob
Höss Rudolf
Moser Hilmar
Oozy Substance's thread on ordinary perpetrators' admissions re mass murder of Jews

Hans Metzner's index of published material only on Auschwitz, with sections on testimonies and other contemporary evidence about the camp

list of the testimonies I sampled for the HC piece I wrote on "steam"
Uziel Wallach
David Nowodworski AR II/296
David Nowodworski (Lewin)
unnamed informant, a person caught by Jewish police in Warsaw and transported to Treblinka 2 weeks prior to speaking with Puterman
Jacob Rabinowicz
unknown (Jew from Landau shop)
Jacob Rabinowicz
Jacob Rabinowicz
Simcha Laski (HEART)
Moshe Boorstein (HEART)
AR II/298 misidentified as Rabinowicz)
Josef Gutman (HEART)
Abraham Krzepicki AR II/295 worker in "Palm" factory (artificial honey, same workship as Rachela Auerbach sent to likely in October-November) - identified by Ruta Sakowska - "Krzepicki Short"
Abraham Krzepicki AR II/299 - "Krzepicki Long"
anonymous grave-diggers, number not clear
unnamed Polish officer deported to Treblinka with Jewish wife
no name, AR II/297
Cienki brothers (HEART)
Nachum Diamant (HEART)
Wladyslaw Salzberg (HEART)
? Richter (HEART)
none
(Natan) Smolar
Jew named Slawa
K.
Jews from Stok
Israel Einshindler
David Milgrom - deported from Czestochowa
Yaakov Wiernik
Oscar Strawczynski
Henryk Poswolski
Aron Czechowic
Aleksander (Arie) Kudlik
Leon Finkelsztejn
Hejnoch Brenner
Eugeniusz Turowski
David Lieberman
Maniek Płatkiewicz
Szymon Goldberg
Kazmierz Skarzynski
Abe Kon
Oskar Berger
Mendel Korytnicki
Abraham Goldfarb
Jan Sulkowski http://www.xoxol.org/dem/muszkat.html - Pole deported to Treblinka
Samuel Rajchman
Chil Rajchman (Heinryk Reichman)
Abraham Bomba
Serek (Szyja) Warszawski
Kalmen Jankowsky
Leo (Leon) Lewi
Sol Lachman
Abraham Kolski
Mayer Zigelman
Charles (Karl, Karel) Unger
Bronka Sukno
Moszek Laks
Moses Rapaport
Jacob Jakubowicz
Zygmunt Gostinski
Eliahu Rosenberg
Kalman Teigman
Richard Glazar
Fred Kort
Yosef Czarny
Shalom Kohn (Stanislaw Kon)
Tanhum Grinberg
Eddie Weinstein
Hershl Sperling
Samuel Willenberg
Gustav Boraks
Avraham Lindwasser
Jacob Eisner (HEART)
Shlomo Hellman
Aron Gelberd
Sonia Lewkowicz
Boris (Kazik) Weinberg
Pinchas Epstein
Chaim Rajrodski
Isadore Helfing
Ya'akov Miller
Leon Perelstein (Perelstzajn)
Wolf Schneidmann (Sznajdman)
Moshe Kleiman (Klajman)
Abraham Broide
Kalmen Krawiec
unidentified
unidentified
I don't even know of a compilation of the many, many witnesses to EG actions.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:54 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:For those who are interested, for real, again just scratching the surface, here are some more resources related to testimonies (including many from the 1940s of course):

DasPrussian's list of ~300 witnesses who testified about gassings

At the time DasPrussian compiled his list I sent him the following witnesses who gave testimony concerning gassing at Majdanek:
Goldshore Sonia
Birenbaum (née Grynsztajn) Halina
Gruber Sol
Kestenberg Jurek
Marcus Hadassah
Pfefer Jerzy
Tcharnabroda Roma
Topas George
Zelechower Natan
Donat Alexander
Gutter Pinchas
Turkieltaub Symcha
Silberschein Abraham
Apelbaum Chela
Epstein-Kozlowski Nechama
Greenbaum Helen
Minc Dora
Peltz Walter
Rybak Rywka
Schwartz Jack
Solowjew
Böttcher Anna
Goldland Benno
Hospodarek and Matyasek
Okupjak
2013 testimony
K. Helen
indictment in Hackmann et al
Dziennik Polski
Olszański Stanisław
Rehder Otto
Kardaszewski
Morawski (Murawski)
Novak Jan
Górski Adolf
Kwiatkowski Jerzy
Fissel Adduf (Adolf?)
Benen Anton
Bohdanowicz Maria
Brzosko-Medryk Danuta (Danusia)
Godlewski Zygmunt
Gryta Marcin
Lopatiuk Alicja
Pawlak Zacheusz
Perzanowska Stefania
Świderska Stefania
Wallisch Erna
Wegrzecka Jadwiga
Domb Lucina
Ludwiczak Janina
Mennenga Udo
Shtable Hans
Wolski Jan
Zelent Stanislaw
Sztaba Romauld
Sobol Leon

Abend Dora
Niedek Anna-Jadwiga
Oschlewski Josef
Ossowska Wanda
Siejwa Feliks
Stabholz Tadeusz
Szczęśniewski Jerzy Henryk
Wdzięczny Kazimierz
Müller Joseph
Benden Ludwig
Gröner Georg
Stanisławski Andrzej
Cezarsky
Ostrowska Henryka
Fischer Ernst
Polish underground
"Opus" Camp resistance report
Polish underground
Polish underground
Polish underground
Contract Alexander
Dr. Konajko
Stetdiener
Atrokhov (Atrochow)
Ehlert Hertha
H. Luzie
Pfannstiel (Wallisch) Erna
M. Heinz
Ruppert Friedrich Wilhelm
Stalp Heinz
Seitz Robert
Muhsfeldt Erich
Müller Heinz
Reinartz A. W. (Willi)
Hensche / Henschke Otto
Hackmann Hermann
Taubert Erhard
W. Georg
Schollen (Schölen) Theodor
Ettrich Rudolf
Gerstenmeier Wilhelm
Thernes
Rockinger
Skibinska
Terner
H. Herbert wife of
Hoffmann Lothar
Wisliceny Dieter
Morgen Konrad
Sporrenberg Jakob
Höss Rudolf
Moser Hilmar
Oozy Substance's thread on ordinary perpetrators' admissions re mass murder of Jews

Hans Metzner's index of published material only on Auschwitz, with sections on testimonies and other contemporary evidence about the camp

list of the testimonies I sampled for the HC piece I wrote on "steam"
Uziel Wallach
David Nowodworski AR II/296
David Nowodworski (Lewin)
unnamed informant, a person caught by Jewish police in Warsaw and transported to Treblinka 2 weeks prior to speaking with Puterman
Jacob Rabinowicz
unknown (Jew from Landau shop)
Jacob Rabinowicz
Jacob Rabinowicz
Simcha Laski (HEART)
Moshe Boorstein (HEART)
AR II/298 misidentified as Rabinowicz)
Josef Gutman (HEART)
Abraham Krzepicki AR II/295 worker in "Palm" factory (artificial honey, same workship as Rachela Auerbach sent to likely in October-November) - identified by Ruta Sakowska - "Krzepicki Short"
Abraham Krzepicki AR II/299 - "Krzepicki Long"
anonymous grave-diggers, number not clear
unnamed Polish officer deported to Treblinka with Jewish wife
no name, AR II/297
Cienki brothers (HEART)
Nachum Diamant (HEART)
Wladyslaw Salzberg (HEART)
? Richter (HEART)
none
(Natan) Smolar
Jew named Slawa
K.
Jews from Stok
Israel Einshindler
David Milgrom - deported from Czestochowa
Yaakov Wiernik
Oscar Strawczynski
Henryk Poswolski
Aron Czechowic
Aleksander (Arie) Kudlik
Leon Finkelsztejn
Hejnoch Brenner
Eugeniusz Turowski
David Lieberman
Maniek Płatkiewicz
Szymon Goldberg
Kazmierz Skarzynski
Abe Kon
Oskar Berger
Mendel Korytnicki
Abraham Goldfarb
Jan Sulkowski http://www.xoxol.org/dem/muszkat.html - Pole deported to Treblinka
Samuel Rajchman
Chil Rajchman (Heinryk Reichman)
Abraham Bomba
Serek (Szyja) Warszawski
Kalmen Jankowsky
Leo (Leon) Lewi
Sol Lachman
Abraham Kolski
Mayer Zigelman
Charles (Karl, Karel) Unger
Bronka Sukno
Moszek Laks
Moses Rapaport
Jacob Jakubowicz
Zygmunt Gostinski
Eliahu Rosenberg
Kalman Teigman
Richard Glazar
Fred Kort
Yosef Czarny
Shalom Kohn (Stanislaw Kon)
Tanhum Grinberg
Eddie Weinstein
Hershl Sperling
Samuel Willenberg
Gustav Boraks
Avraham Lindwasser
Jacob Eisner (HEART)
Shlomo Hellman
Aron Gelberd
Sonia Lewkowicz
Boris (Kazik) Weinberg
Pinchas Epstein
Chaim Rajrodski
Isadore Helfing
Ya'akov Miller
Leon Perelstein (Perelstzajn)
Wolf Schneidmann (Sznajdman)
Moshe Kleiman (Klajman)
Abraham Broide
Kalmen Krawiec
unidentified
unidentified
I don't even know of a compilation of the many, many witnesses to EG actions.
I'm very interested! Finally!
Which one? I'm not going on another wild goose chase only to find out you've been lying again. And don't try to give me one of the two unidentified at the bottom of the list!

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Pyrrho » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:21 pm

montgomery wrote:http://auschwitz.org/en/type-of-publica ... 257.html#2

The second one by Franciszek Piper is still hot off the press. Just more promotionist revision crapola printed in 2014 as another great white joo hope!

Get serious you mutt!
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:22 pm

Well, this might be heading to it’s inevitable conclusion...
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Balsamo » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:29 pm

VFX wrote:
Balsamo wrote:You're so...fake, Monty...
Is this some sort of a dialogue which suggests you are less "fake" than he is. There is the subtle suggestion that this is what you are implying, that somehow you are superior and more worthy of being listened to?

It just mean that he pretends to be someone he is not, actually.
You, at least, are a proud National-Socialist.

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Post by montgomery » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:49 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
montgomery wrote:https://www.amazon.com/Expulsion-Exterm ... 187.html#2

That one by Bankler doesn't even seem to be published yet! Or is it such a wet rag that Amazon or other sellers won't list it. Nope! That one fails and I'm not going to do your homework by going through your list of gags to find one that dates to the 40's.

And especially when you've told me that the good doctor pretty well said one doesn't exist. And doesn't have to exist either, so there! Idiot numbnuts.

Fill your boots fast or I'm going to own you.
Correction re: my reply to this post made earlier; Amazon lists the volume as having a pub date of 2012; I checked this morning and it is actually 2011; the testimonies collected in the Bankier book number 80 taken from the DP camp interviews in the Koniuchovsky collection; these interviews were done over the period 1946-1948. The interview records are at Yad Vashem in the O.71 series.

For those keeping score at home, some other well-known post-war Holocaust testimonies, which montgomery no longer wants to hear about, are the DEGOB testimonies from Hungarian Jews (1945-1948, 3500 testimonies); Warsaw testimonies collected in Kermish's book To Live with Honor and Die with Honor (the tip of the iceberg that is the Oyneg Shabes collection); scads of diaries including famous ones like Kruk and Tory (Lithuania), Kaplan and Lewin (Warsaw), Perechodnik (Otwock), Goldfard (Galicia) - this list could go on and on; testimonies of Treblinka escapees like Rabinowitz and Krzepicki and other such AR testimonies; the testimonies of Heinz May, Winer, and Podchlebnik; as noted above many Auschwitz witness accounts which the Auschwitz Museum has been publishing in the Voices of Memory series; and so on. The number of testimonies from the '40s is mind-boggling; that a member of this forum isn't aware of this fact is also mind-boggling.
You're not going to get away with reproducing lies and exaggerations copyrighted 70 years after the fact. If you can produce just one eye witness that didn't go to town with lamp shades, soap, and shadows, then just do it. If not then go play the game your family plays with houseflies. The jig's up with you numbnuts. Doctor Terry is up to bat now and he will be given a reasonable amount of time to produce the goods. Out of my good graces because I'm really beginning to think one just doesn't exist that didn't blow the whole thing with something like an A bomb claim of some sort.

You can't make it up now numbnuts, with the internet readily available to shoot down the whoppers and the double whoppers such as the gassing on the wall shadow. Convince this speptic, I'm all yours sweet cheeks!

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:01 pm

Balsamo wrote:
VFX wrote:
Balsamo wrote:You're so...fake, Monty...
Is this some sort of a dialogue which suggests you are less "fake" than he is. There is the subtle suggestion that this is what you are implying, that somehow you are superior and more worthy of being listened to?

It just mean that he pretends to be someone he is not, actually.
You, at least, are a proud National-Socialist.
That’s something to be proud of?????
:D
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Post by Balsamo » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:12 pm

herein lies the challenge I'm respectfully putting to doctor Terry. If he fails to do that then I'll research his list and pick one expert from the 40's that will make my case for me. And it won't stop there either.

In truth Balsamo, I suspect that I already know the answer why nobody has had the courage to put forward their expert witness or historian! I'll leave you with that to ponder.
If i get it right you are asking for a historical work that would have been written published by a Historian as soon as the 1940's, and that this historian would have to be considered as an authority in his fields already back then?

Sorry, but it is not even a challenge, but a pure expression of profound stupidity. In normal language, any writer writing about contemporary events is called a journalist, and columnist, a commentator, pick your choice, but not an historian.

But that does not mean that some attempts to "historize" the recent events did not exist.
In France, for example, a special "Commission de l'histoire de l'occupation et de la liberation de la France" (which could be translated by "Commission for the History of the occupation and liberation of France" has been created as soon as 1944.
Another committee, "Comite de l'histoire de la guerre" (Committee for the History of the war) was created in 1945.
Their job was of course not to produce historical works, but to start collecting sources on which would be based future works.
In 1951, both institutions merged to create " Le Comité d'histoire de la Seconde Guerre mondiale" to which participated a french historian that some revisionists might know: Michel de Bouard, an authentic historian who had been arrested and sent to Mathausen in 1944.
By 1954, the first works with historical pretensions are published, among them, Michel de Bouard monography simply called "Mathausen".

The committee was directed by another famous and recognized pre-war historian called Henri Michel who had already created the "Revue d'histoire de la Seconde guerre mondiale" ( Review for the history of Second world war" in 1951.

The first obvious observation is that it take some times to produce History, even if the ambition had been formulated as soon as 1944...In this case a whole decade.

Secondly, if today, at least in France, Henri Michel is/was recognized ( he died in the 1980's) as an authority, this honor was given for his dedication to history only after a life of dedication to the study of the occupation, the resistance, the deportation and Nazi crimes.

More specifically on the Holocaust, another name comes to mind, and that would me Leon Poliakov. He is famous for having written the first work on the holocaust " Le Breviare de la Haine, le troisieme Reich et les Juifs" as soon as 1951.

But while being in the Resistance, he participated to the foundation of the " Centre de documentation juive comtemporaine" in 1943! The objective of this center was already to collect as much as possible documents testifying of what was being done to the Jews in France, especially regarding the victims of the spoliation policy of aryanization, in order to prepare the after war. So the first objective was not history but purely Justice. The scope broadened after.
Poliakov himself participated to the Nuremberg Trial, as an expert for Edgar Faure.

Now, if the whole thing is about finding some testimonials about the genocide, from an author that would not be dismissed for antisemitic reasons.
I have to mention, my "good friend", whom none of you two probably know about, that is Lucien Rebatet.
I doubt any of his writings has been translated in English, which is sad for VRX, because i am pretty sure he would fall in love with the guy.

Lucien Rebatet was a French journalist, who participated to the "Je suis Partout", the paper directed by the better known Robert Brasillach. In 1942 he published what is known as the "Best seller" of the occupation. "Les Decombres" should be the bible of any true and sincere Antisemite, under the condition that they also share a deep love for National Socialism, and Hitler himself. As an example, he is highly critical of the Vichy Regime and Petain who he accused to be "anti-German". The book was a huge sucess with pre-order reaching 200.000, but given the scarcity of paper during the war, only 65.000 were delivered which is still a record.

Lucien Rebatet will finally be arrested in Germany in 1945, and almost immediately sentenced to death. During his stay in prison he'd keep on writing and among other things, about an episode very few knows about: In 1943, the journalists of "Je suis partout", and among them, Brasillach, were invited in Poland for a visit. Part of the program was of course Katyn mass grave recently discovered, but it seems that thanks to the trust he enjoyed among the Nazis, Brasillach had access some of the surviving ghettos, interviewed people who participated to their liquidation, and came back to Paris shattered.
During a meeting of the Redaction of "Je suis partout" he asked the journalists to abandon any allusion to antisemitism because he saw what was really happening to those Jews deported, "mass murders and extermination, that he saw it and that it could no longer been denied"...This decision was not well received by the journalists, to say the least, and among the fierce opponent, was Lucien Rebatet - the author of those lines - who defended the idea that Antisemitism was the core of the paper and should never be abandoned even if what Robert Brasillach saw was true.
As a result, Robert Brasillach was dismissed from his post, expelled from the Redaction team, and replaced by another famous name of the collaboration: Pierre Antoine Cousteau. From then on, Robert Brasillach would cease any form of collaboration.

As an Irony, Robert Brasillach will be the only collaborationist journalist to be executed, an execution that created such an unease that it would save the life of both Rebatet and Cousteau who would be liberated in 1952, despite both having actually been sentenced to death. This last point is important because Rebatet thought he was going to be executed while writing this. Even after the war, Lucien Rebatet never disowned his former beliefs.

Robert Brasillach in Poland 1943, the baby face on the left:

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Some front pages of Je suis Partout available here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Je+suis ... 66&bih=626

EDIT: small additions and too many typos.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:22 pm

>> Sorry, but it is not even a challenge, but a pure expression of profound stupidity.

Well put.

But even stupider because he confused himself in what he was asking for by also writing, "Chief among them is the question on whether or not any eye witness or historian can provide testimony from the 40's or very early 50's." And in writing this he ignored the times he's been given names of interesting witnesses for discussion, with background material, and then refused to read the material or to discuss the witnesses. And then went on to make excuses now for why he won't discuss a number of cases of just what he asked for . . .

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Next up: demanding photos of Curiosity, taken with your Smartphone and dated today.
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Post by BornAgainDisciple » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:15 pm

Death Dealer: the Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz was written in the 1940s.
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Post by VFX » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:14 pm

Rudolf Höss was an innocent man who died for his love of the people and his country. He was brutally beaten and tortured.
His wife had revealed his whereabouts to protect her son, Klaus, who was being “badly beaten” by British soldiers, many of them Jewish. The British force that captured Höss included Hanns Alexander, a British captain originally from Berlin who was forced to flee to England with his entire family during the rise of Nazi Germany. Höss initially denied his identity "insisting he was a lowly gardener, but Alexander saw his wedding ring and ordered Höss to take it off, promising to cut off his finger if he didn't. Höss' name was inscribed inside. The Jewish soldiers accompanying Alexander began to beat Höss with axe handles. After a few moments and a minor internal debate, Alexander pulled them off."
Rudof said
I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total of about 3,000,000 dead.
This was induced due to exteme duress. (torture). Who are the Nazis in this scenario?
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