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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by BornAgainDisciple » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:35 pm

VFX wrote:Rudolf Höss was an innocent man
A very corrupt officer. He was also investigated by Konrad Morgen for stealing the property of the Reich.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by VFX » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:44 pm

Sturmbannführer-SS Morgen sought an arrest warrant for Adolf Eichmann. His investigations began with Karl-Otto Koch, the commandant of Buchenwald and Majdanek who was executed by Ss firing squad. Mr Morgen did prosecute the camp commandant Rudolf Höss and the Chief of the camp Gestapo, Maximilian Grabner, for crimes including murder. However, it is unlikely that any Judge could prosecute any member of the Secret State Police who were answerable only to Hitler.

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by BornAgainDisciple » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:40 pm

Höss lost his post at Auschwitz momentarily because of the corruption charges.
Himmler was the reason he got it back. Himmler did the same personal favor with Oskar Dirlewanger in another matter.
Höss was answerable to Himmler. There's no known connection between Hitler and pretty low-rank Höss.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by VFX » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:04 pm

BornAgainDisciple wrote:Höss lost his post at Auschwitz momentarily because of the corruption charges.
Himmler was the reason he got it back. Himmler did the same personal favor with Oskar Dirlewanger in another matter.
Höss was answerable to Himmler. There's no known connection between Hitler and pretty low-rank Höss.
I was speaking of the Secret State Police person not the Commandant. Konrad Morgan had no power to investigate the Secret State Police which is unfortunate as he would have had a field day. Morgan had more authority than any Gestapo man and acted in a very professional and dignified manner.

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by BornAgainDisciple » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:23 pm

VFX wrote:
BornAgainDisciple wrote:Höss lost his post at Auschwitz momentarily because of the corruption charges.
Himmler was the reason he got it back. Himmler did the same personal favor with Oskar Dirlewanger in another matter.
Höss was answerable to Himmler. There's no known connection between Hitler and pretty low-rank Höss.
I was speaking of the Secret State Police person not the Commandant. Konrad Morgan had no power to investigate the Secret State Police which is unfortunate as he would have had a field day. Morgan had more authority than any Gestapo man and acted in a very professional and dignified manner.
Himmler was still at the top of the SS, including RSHA, SD and Gestapo.
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by VFX » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:44 pm

He was but basically Heyrich and his successor Obergruppenführer Kaltenbrunner ran the show. The gestapo and Orpo including the SD were in the RSHA and collectively thought of as Gestapo in the end.

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:15 am

Today's useless drivel is brought to you by born again Nazi troll, VFX. Oh hello, these posts are vaguely interesting but that idealistic crap about Hoess being an innocent man, really wasn't.

It looks like a good day for drying my laundry.

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Post by montgomery » Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:12 pm

VFX wrote:He was but basically Heyrich and his successor Obergruppenführer Kaltenbrunner ran the show. The gestapo and Orpo including the SD were in the RSHA and collectively thought of as Gestapo in the end.
Thank you for another demonstration that you are truly interested in knowing the truth. And we can compare that to the screeching of the common garden slugs such as the one that attacked you personally again. LOL

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:06 pm

A handful of examples of early efforts by the Soviets and "international Jewry" to propagate the hoax:

- 1940s: Soviet Extraordinary Commission rewrites and edits evidence gathered across formerly occupied areas of the USSR to stress general victimization and downplay Jewish victims of Germans' crimes
- 1947: Soviet authorities bar publication of The Black Book of testimonies and other evidence of Nazi extermination of the Jews collected by Grossman and Ehrenburg
- late 1940s: TsAMO archive of interviews, documents, etc on Nazi crimes in occupied USSR collected by the Red Army marked secret and kept under lock and key until 2010-2011
- late 1940s: Richard Glazar, Treblinka survivor fails to find a publisher willing to publish his account of the camp (book first published in 1992)
- late 1940s: Charlotte Delbo writes much of Auschwitz and After, does not publish the work until 1965
- 1949: David Boder publishes small set of his postwar interviews with Jewish survivors (I Did Not Interview the Dead) but is unable to find a publisher or funding for the rest of his interviews
- 1952: Toivi Blatt completes manuscript of his time in Sobibór, publication in Communist Poland falls through due to publisher demanding changes regarding attitudes of Poles and in postwar passages; in Israel an Auschwitz survivor critiques Blatt's manuscript as inventive because of sections on Sobibór revolt (which he'd not heard of), Blatt's book not published until 1990s
- 1952: prosecution of members of Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee in Soviet Union, the indictment in part based on The Black Book
- 1958: Elie Wiesel's book, And the World Remained Silent, after rejections by multiple publishers, finally published in abbreviated form in France
- late 1950s: for six years publishers (including Princeton University Press, Yad Vashem) turn down manuscript for The Destruction of the European Jews by Raul Hilberg
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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:55 pm

But.

But VFX said it was the Soviets all along and that we didn't know anything...

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:58 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:55 pm
But.

But VFX said it was the Soviets all along and that we didn't know anything...
I thought he said it was the Jews and the Soviets. Did I get that wrong?
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Darren Wilshak » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:37 pm

Well since Montgomery was banned he hasn't been here to clarify. Odd, that. Maybe it feels insecure without its self important pompous side-kick.

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:04 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:06 pm

- 1947: Soviet authorities bar publication of The Black Book of testimonies and other evidence of Nazi extermination of the Jews collected by Grossman and Ehrenburg
Not only did (((they))) forbid publication but destroyed all the printed copies and even the typeset. A copy survived by being sent abroad before destruction.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:34 pm

The poem “Babi Yar” stirred up a great deal of controversy after Yevgeny Yevtushenko published it in 1961. Yevtushenko wrote the poem after visiting the site and felt compelled to voice his feelings about seeing a place where so many Jews died. A Russian author named Aleksei Markov wrote a poem in response that included lines like “What sort of Russian are you?”

The poem was very popular among Soviet youth, so much so Khrushchev became personally involved. Khrushchev told Yevtushenko during a meeting of Soviet intellectuals that the poem had no place in the meeting. At a meeting in the Kremlin during March of 1963 Khrushchev singled out the poem saying:

“Events are depicted in the poem as if only the Jewish population fell victim to the Fascist crime, while at the hands of the Hitlerite butchers there perished not a few Russians, Ukrainians and Soviet Peoples of other nationalities.”

A symphony based on five of Yevtushenko’s poems including “Babi Yar” was not permitted to be viewed by the public. Bowing to official pressure, Yevtushenko inserted two additional lines that included Russians and Ukrainians as victims. The second line said “I am proud of the Russia which stood in the path of the bandits.”

Official pressure eased after the addition of the two lines.

“The Holocaust in the Soviet Union: A Monument at Babi Yar?”

The poem:

http://poemsintranslation.blogspot.com/ ... n.html?m=1

That looks like the original, the two additional lines aren’t there.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Another translation:

https://phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.a ... shenko.htm

BTW I am not a fan of poetry but that is incredibly {!#%@} powerful.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:01 pm

I don’t know why London needs this, after all, (((they))) never let us forget. More importantly denial is severely punished:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 58051.html
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Re: a memory thread: "(((they))) never let us forget"

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:00 pm

"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"