Churchill and His Statements on August 24th, 1941 and November 11th, 1941

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Churchill and His Statements on August 24th, 1941 and November 11th, 1941

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:01 am

This popped up in another thread:
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Stat Mech posted information regarding intercepted signals and the killings of Jews in the USSR in the Summer of 1941.

I remembered a statement released by Churchill regarding this sometime in November of 1941.

Turns out he mentioned this in an oblique manner in August of 1941 (broadcast of meeting with Roosevelt)
For the first time in his experience mass murder has become unprofitable. He retaliates by the most frightful cruelties. As his armies advance, whole districts are being exterminated. Scores of thousands, literally scores of thousands of executions in cold blood are being perpetrated by the German police troops upon the Russian patriots who defend their native soil. Since the Mongol invasions of Europe in the sixteenth century there has never been methodical, merciless butchery on such a scale or approaching such a scale. And this is but the beginning. Famine and pestilence have yet to follow in the bloody ruts of Hitler's tanks.

We are in the presence of a crime without a name.


https://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/410824awp.html

Nothing specific, however, in his statement released by the JTA in November he did make it specific:
None has suffered more cruelly than the Jew of the unspeakable evils wrought on bodies and spirits of men by Hitler and his vile regime. The Jew bore the brunt of the Nazis first onslaught upon the citadels of freedom and human dignity. He has borne and continues to bear a burden that might have seemed beyond endurance. He has not allowed it to break his spirit. He has never lost the will to resist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.jta.or ... essage/amp
“They say..that in Slonim they gathered in the town square 14,000 people...and all were machine-gunned. I ask you, is it possible to believe such a thing?...How can the world remain silent? It is probably not true.”
Calel Perechodnik, Polish Jew, 1942

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Re: Churchill and His Statements on August 24th, 1941 and November 11th, 1941

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:28 am

Breitman on Churchill's 24 August 1941 broadcast (p 93):

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Breitman notes that the speech attributed the atrocities to frustration over the course of combat; didn't mention Jews; and focused on stiff Soviet defenses. And that Churchill named the perpetrators (German police troops) but not the victims whom we know to have been Jews; Breitman asks why this was so, attributing the formulation to some confusion amongst the analysts in understanding the German police reports and adding:

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Breitman briefly discusses a statement issued by Churchill, in tandem with one from FDR, on 25 October 1941, which also drew on the police decodes and which "went further than his speech of August 24" - without again mentioning Jews as victims (the NYT extrapolated that Churchill was referring to "innocent Frenchmen" when he spoke about retribution, according to Breitman). (p 106)

On the November JTA statement Breitman notes the" limited and select" circulation of JTA. (p 106)
"It was still at the stage of clubs and fists, hurrah, tala"

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Re: Churchill and His Statements on August 24th, 1941 and November 11th, 1941

Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:31 pm

He got the Hunger Plan right though. Maybe the Nazi pestilence was more figurative than anything else.

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Re: Churchill and His Statements on August 24th, 1941 and November 11th, 1941

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:59 pm

“They say..that in Slonim they gathered in the town square 14,000 people...and all were machine-gunned. I ask you, is it possible to believe such a thing?...How can the world remain silent? It is probably not true.”
Calel Perechodnik, Polish Jew, 1942

https://twitter.com/jonronson/status/10 ... 24832?s=21