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Re: Is Holocaust Denial really dead ?

Post by Denying-History » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:15 am

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Denying-History wrote:Pilecki's report has nothing to do with the number of Jews shot on the eastern front. But you may struggle to comprehend this considering you believe in this unproven conspiracy.
This thread is about holocaust denial being dead.
Now thats not what I replied to is it? Avoiding the fact you tried to imply - if not directly stated - that Hilberg used fabricated sources?

VFX wrote:I am not the slightest bit interested in Partisans being shot, they deserved it.
Were not discussing "partisans" being shot. If were talking about partizan operations we would be discussing the SS, Ordungspolizei, and Wehrmacht. However were not discussing the shoortings ether, were discussing your claim about Hilberg's source meterial which you again implied were fabricate, and then went on to justify this claim with Pilecki's report.
VFX wrote:I am not struggling with anything, you are though trying to keep filling the rather large gaps in your sinking ship. Putty won't fix this lie. In the end enough people will call you all out on this hoax.
Lol You clearly are based on your reply.
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Re: Is Holocaust Denial really dead ?

Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:17 am

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scrmbldggs wrote: Seems VFX is only here to deliver click bait to roduh.
I have no intention of re writing what already has been written. I know why I am here, though not sure why you are? You contribute nothing, though being free range, that could be acceptable.
Goes to show how much you don't know - about free range. Among other things. ;)
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Re: Is Holocaust Denial really dead ?

Post by VFX » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:27 am

scrmbldggs wrote: Goes to show how much you don't know - about free range. Among other things. ;)
OK sorry, you prefer caged. Greater sense of security I guess. :D :lol: :lol:

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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:30 am

He has seemed to labor under the delusion he's in "the right place".

Clearly not. At least Been_There has an excuse for thinking so.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:33 am

Yeah, but what about the contagious environment of their little circle thingy.
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Re: Is Holocaust Denial really dead ?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:39 am

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Jeff you are wrong and you should know when to accept defeat.
LOL
I am not making a claim, just giving a viable alternative hypothesis as to why the holohoax started, why it continues and who benefits.
You’ve made several and then refuse to back them up as requested by me.

Notably when I asked you about the rogue Operation Reinhard Camps and what happened to the missing 300,000 Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

It seems here there is too much reliance on "historians" as though they are authorities;
They know more than you. You certainly are not someone I would go to for anything.
interesting as they are they all give their own spin based on personal prejudices.
I’m sure it makes you feel better to think that.
When it comes to the holohoax as Mr Irving found out it does not pay to deviate from the official narrative.
Irving’s a weathervane but to his credit he actually figured out what reality is even if he continues to put a silly spin on it.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
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Re: Is Holocaust Denial really dead ?

Post by VFX » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:01 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Notably when I asked you about the rogue Operation Reinhard Camps and what happened to the missing 300,000 Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Irving’s a weathervane but to his credit he actually figured out what reality is even if he continues to put a silly spin on it.
I think it has been mentioned quite a few times that they were assimilated by the Soviets; there were no missing people as such. They had no desire to go back to Hungary and did not realise they were holocaust survivors. They lived their life behind the iron curtain. The letter Wise sent mentioning 1.5 million Jews out of Poland testifies to this. He wanted them sent to Palestine. This did happen starting about 1967 via the Hague.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:15 am

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I think it has been mentioned quite a few times that they were assimilated by the Soviets; there were no missing people as such.
That’s a guess on your part. I notice that’s a common denier trait.
They had no desire to go back to Hungary
“They” i.e. the missing 300,000, didn’t go anywhere, they were dead.


They lived their life behind the iron curtain. The letter Wise sent mentioning 1.5 million Jews out of Poland testifies to this. He wanted them sent to Palestine. This did happen starting about 1967 via the Hague.
Did Wise not get the memo that the world wanted these Jews hidden to propagate a hoax, create an Israel and punish the Germans with impunity?
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Did Wise not get the memo that the world wanted these Jews hidden to propagate a hoax, create an Israel and punish the Germans with impunity?
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:24 am

Sweetpea, you facking dope, you left out the opening sentence, moron. :roll:

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:30 am

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Re: Is Holocaust Denial really dead ?

Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:37 am

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Exactly.

Chimp one comes here with a hard on for the old Rodoh crew, posts crapexpecting response then dismisses as pre-rejected.

This one is just the Marinus van der Lubbe equivalent of a "National Socialist". Back in the day, if it hadn't been T4ed, it would have made excellent fodder on a Russian steppe.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:37 am

VFX:
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Take a minute and read it again.... :lol:

Can’t see it?
Wise acknowledges that 6,000,000 died,idgit.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:41 am

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scrmbldggs wrote:
VFX wrote:


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Exactly.

Chimp one comes here with a hard on for the old Rodoh crew, posts crapexpecting response then dismisses as pre-rejected.

This one is just the Marinus van der Lubbe equivalent of a "National Socialist". Back in the day, if it hadn't been T4ed, it would have made excellent fodder on a Russian steppe.
Or an acceptable drunken guard at any one of the camps. You know where they culled theirs from...
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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:43 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote: Wise acknowledges that 6,000,000 died,idgit.
Ha ha ha ha, the infamous 6 million. Of course he had to put that in there, the figure was going around about 40 years prior to the war. He is the one who got an agent to testify to the Military Tribunal of 6 million. I suggest you read the clips below and the dates.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:51 am

So you're the reader, eh?

Well, we might have to make some concessions if you have more demonstrably true info... Realizing of course that I can't speak for the entire crew here.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:06 am

VFX:
Ha ha ha ha, the infamous 6 million. Of course he had to put that in there, the figure was going around about 40 years prior to the war. He is the one who got an agent to testify to the Military Tribunal of 6 million. I suggest you read the clips below and the dates.
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Aaaawwww, look at you going all stupid on me. That’s Twitter level dumbass, VFX, frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for dredging up that silly BS.

Let’s see...
If you look at those stories you’ll note that most of them place Jews at risk of harm or requesting aid for them, not that 6,000,000 died. You’ll also note that those stories occur at times of upheaval, for example in 1905:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.histor ... ion-begins

There were pogroms committed by the Black Hundreds against Jewish communities at that time. These were the Black Hundreds:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Black-Hundreds

It goes without saying that minorities like Jews are vulnerable during times of upheaval.

It also goes without saying that there were indeed about 6,000,000 Jews in the region.
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I couldn’t give a damn what John Wear babbles about.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:16 am

Jeff do not be weak, they are just some examples. It is always the magic 6 million. This is recorded in the papers and no denying it. The figure has been dragged up, constantly used all for one purpose: to get $$$$$ by arousing sympathy. You are entitled to an opinion on this but the above is pretty pathetic really. The alleged holocaust was just the final claim in a long build up of sympathy claims. To be honest we see it as no different.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:25 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:VFX: . . . Aaaawwww, look at you going all stupid on me. That’s Twitter level dumbass, VFX, frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for dredging up that silly BS.
Why? Water finds its level. So does stupid.
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“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
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That's why s/he keeps saying "we"?
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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:52 am

Well Jeff here is your task find all of the sources prior to 1945. Do a histogram of all of the numbers regarding Jüdische and tell the forum which one is most prevalent. I bet it is not the 3 million.
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VFX wrote:Well Jeff here is your task find all of the sources prior to 1945. Do a histogram of all of the numbers regarding Jüdische and tell the forum which one is most prevalent. I bet it is not the 3 million.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:58 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:VFX: . . . Aaaawwww, look at you going all stupid on me. That’s Twitter level dumbass, VFX, frankly you should be ashamed of yourself for dredging up that silly BS.
Why? Water finds its level. So does stupid.
And shite: Been There and this flunky... need one say more.

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Most here are challenged by such a task but try and join the dots anyhow.

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VFX wrote:Well Jeff here is your task find all of the sources prior to 1945. Do a histogram of all of the numbers regarding Jüdische and tell the forum which one is most prevalent. I bet it is not the 3 million.
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Nice graph! And nice work VFX!

They H. promoters promote their own problems.

And quite amazing for a skeptic to find that the 6M plan was being devised back in the 19th. century. Let's keep em bloviating!
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:11 am

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Most here are challenged by such a task but try and join the dots anyhow.
Do you help him with those? You know, being the artistic type?

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Balmoral95 wrote:
VFX wrote:
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Most here are challenged by such a task but try and join the dots anyhow.
Do you help him with those? You know, being the artistic type?
You can't play in my sandbox and my dad can beat up your dad. So there.

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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:27 am

montgomery wrote:
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Most here are challenged by such a task but try and join the dots anyhow.
Do you help him with those? You know, being the artistic type?
You can't play in my sandbox and my dad can beat up your dad. So there.

I'm sure he can. My father's dead. Apparently yours didn't beat you enough.

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I'm sure he can. My father's dead. Apparently yours didn't beat you enough.
Well all of the "beating" you seem to do by yourself seems to make up for everyone else.

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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:35 am

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I'm sure he can. My father's dead. Apparently yours didn't beat you enough.
Well all of the "beating" you seem to do by yourself seems to make up for everyone else.
Excellent. Next time try and put that in a sentence.

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Excellent. Next time try and put that in a sentence.
Run along to your room now, someone will blow out the light later. We do not want shadows on your wall to scare you.

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Balmoral95 wrote:
Excellent. Next time try and put that in a sentence.
Run along to your room now, someone will blow out the light later. We do not want shadows on your wall to scare you.
Imagine my surprise, two sentences.

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Post by Denying-History » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:42 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
They had no desire to go back to Hungary
“They” i.e. the missing 300,000, didn’t go anywhere, they were dead.
According to Piper a document from July 11, 1944 a total of 437,402 Jews were deported to Auscchwitz. As for the number of "missing" this really depends on the number of Durchgangsjuden which is between 25,000-118,000 Jews.
« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
They had no desire to go back to Hungary
“They” i.e. the missing 300,000, didn’t go anywhere, they were dead.
According to Piper a document from July 11, 1944 a total of 437,402 Jews were deported to Auscchwitz. As for the number of "missing" this really depends on the number of Durchgangsjuden which is between 25,000-118,000 Jews.
I don’t know if you were part of the conversation we had at FG’s blog on the subject. I’d need to track it down. We found arrivals at other camps for the Hungarian Jews, problem is I cannot remember where we talked about it. I may see what I can find unless you or someone else can dig it up.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
They had no desire to go back to Hungary
“They” i.e. the missing 300,000, didn’t go anywhere, they were dead.
According to Piper a document from July 11, 1944 a total of 437,402 Jews were deported to Auscchwitz. As for the number of "missing" this really depends on the number of Durchgangsjuden which is between 25,000-118,000 Jews.
I don’t know if you were part of the conversation we had at FG’s blog on the subject. I’d need to track it down. We found arrivals at other camps for the Hungarian Jews, problem is I cannot remember where we talked about it. I may see what I can find unless you or someone else can dig it up.
Either story is fine and probably as fact based as the other. I'm going with balmoral regardless because he's been badly ignored and should be allowed to bark at the moon too once in a while. You two get that fixed up and then get back to me.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
They had no desire to go back to Hungary
“They” i.e. the missing 300,000, didn’t go anywhere, they were dead.
According to Piper a document from July 11, 1944 a total of 437,402 Jews were deported to Auscchwitz. As for the number of "missing" this really depends on the number of Durchgangsjuden which is between 25,000-118,000 Jews.
I don’t know if you were part of the conversation we had at FG’s blog on the subject. I’d need to track it down. We found arrivals at other camps for the Hungarian Jews, problem is I cannot remember where we talked about it. I may see what I can find unless you or someone else can dig it up.
Piper gives information on the Hungarian deportations here.

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Post by montgomery » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:11 am

How about a reference to who Piper is? I have a suspicion that anybody being promoted by you schmucks is going to be about as amusing as Wiernik proved to be!