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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:38 am

You are sounding like Kelpie, The Soviet Union took over all of those countries and people: they were assimilated. Every Jew in every country was sucked into their regime. The probability of it not happening is so low as to defy credulity. All of those very much alive jews were dispersed according to Soviet Protocols. They were behind the Iron Curtain.

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And then they forged documents to claim Nazis had killed them. Why, because the luuuuuv them so very, very much. :soppy:
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scrmbldggs wrote:And then they forged documents to claim Nazis had killed them. Why, because the luuuuuv them so very, very much. :soppy:
Thank you, yes they did in many cases. Some Partisans were executed of course. Jude had their uses but not as shrunken heads, and lampshades or soap.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:52 am

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scrmbldggs wrote:And then they forged documents to claim Nazis had killed them. Why, because the luuuuuv them so very, very much. :soppy:
Thank you, yes they did in many cases. Some Partisans were executed of course. Jude had their uses but not as shrunken heads, and lampshades or soap.
I hear most were exceptional artisans and valued workers.


No wonder they were "lent" to Onkel Dolfie's Russian friends. Nice move, really.
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Post by Balmoral95 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:55 am

scrmbldggs wrote:And then they forged documents to claim Nazis had killed them. Why, because the luuuuuv them so very, very much. :soppy:
He's got a small problem :lol:

The other day he said the Nazis threw all the Jews in occupied territories out... now he says the Red Army liberated and assimilated them...

The chimp brain at work.

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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:04 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And then they forged documents to claim Nazis had killed them. Why, because the luuuuuv them so very, very much. :soppy:
He's got a small problem :lol:

The other day he said the Nazis threw all the Jews in occupied territories out... now he says the Red Army liberated and assimilated them...

The chimp brain at work.
The Nazis interned Jude and put them in camps via railway transportation. That is not disputed. The Soviets Liberated no one, they assimilated everyone: that is hardly liberation. Out of the frying pan into the fire. You are technically an ape as are chimps; I can call you a 'great ape". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:26 am

VFX wrote:You are sounding like Kelpie, The Soviet Union took over all of those countries and people: they were assimilated. Every Jew in every country was sucked into their regime. The probability of it not happening is so low as to defy credulity. All of those very much alive jews were dispersed according to Soviet Protocols. They were behind the Iron Curtain.
Prove it. What happened to the 300,000 Hungarian Jews that are unaccounted for?
Also, Donald Trump is a clownfraud who only got involved in this for the attention.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
VFX wrote:You are sounding like Kelpie, The Soviet Union took over all of those countries and people: they were assimilated. Every Jew in every country was sucked into their regime. The probability of it not happening is so low as to defy credulity. All of those very much alive jews were dispersed according to Soviet Protocols. They were behind the Iron Curtain.
Prove it. What happened to the 300,000 Hungarian Jews that are unaccounted for?
Assimilated into the USSR behind the iron curtain. As for specific details perhaps Mr Putin and the Russian Federation may be able to assist. However, they are possibly still hiding up Soviet Crimes against their own people like at Babi yar, and elsewhere, like they attempted to do at Katyn. Please post your finding here when Mr Putin writes to you personally.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:41 am

VFX wrote: The Nazis interned Jude and put them in camps via railway transportation. That is not disputed. The Soviets Liberated no one, they assimilated everyone:
that is hardly liberation. Out of the frying pan into the fire. You are technically an ape as are chimps; I can call you a 'great ape". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It looks like you are saying something but there is nothing there. It’s like looking at an empty bowl.

You keep forgetting something. Auschwitz-Birkenau wasn’t liberated until January of 1945 and there was hardly anyone left in the camp when the Red Army showed up. It’s also not disputed that the Germans emptied out these camps and sent the inmates West into Germany. This means that most inmates wound up in camps in Germany itself...the survivors, anyway.

You also forget that the Hungarian Action essentially finished up by June 30th, 1944. That’s plenty of time to ship any unwanted Jews out of Auschwitz to the camps that needed labor.

So that’s where you come in. Find out what happened to those 300,000 Jews went. They didn’t stay in Auschwitz. If they didn’t remain there they went somewhere else. The only option is other camps. Find them and I will believe you.
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Re: No queues into the kremas, aerial photos at Birkenau

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:42 am

VFX wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
VFX wrote:You are sounding like Kelpie, The Soviet Union took over all of those countries and people: they were assimilated. Every Jew in every country was sucked into their regime. The probability of it not happening is so low as to defy credulity. All of those very much alive jews were dispersed according to Soviet Protocols. They were behind the Iron Curtain.
Prove it. What happened to the 300,000 Hungarian Jews that are unaccounted for?
Assimilated into the USSR behind the iron curtain. As for specific details perhaps Mr Putin and the Russian Federation may be able to assist. However, they are possibly still hiding up Soviet Crimes against their own people like at Babi yar, and elsewhere, like they attempted to do at Katyn. Please post your finding here when Mr Putin writes to you personally.
I’ll just repost this.

It looks like you are saying something but there is nothing there. It’s like looking at an empty bowl.

You keep forgetting something. Auschwitz-Birkenau wasn’t liberated until January of 1945 and there was hardly anyone left in the camp when the Red Army showed up. It’s also not disputed that the Germans emptied out these camps and sent the inmates West into Germany. This means that most inmates wound up in camps in Germany itself...the survivors, anyway.

You also forget that the Hungarian Action essentially finished up by June 30th, 1944. That’s plenty of time to ship any unwanted Jews out of Auschwitz to the camps that needed labor.

So that’s where you come in. Find out what happened to those 300,000 Jews went. They didn’t stay in Auschwitz. If they didn’t remain there they went somewhere else. The only option is other camps. Find them and I will believe you.
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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:34 am

There were 6 thousand when the Soviets arrived, that is hardly anyone.

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VFX wrote:There were 6 thousand when the Soviets arrived, that is hardly anyone.
6 thousand what?
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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:48 am

eggs what do you think?

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:56 am

VFX wrote:eggs what do you think?
Over 7000 prisoners were present when Auschwitz was liberated - so I'm assuming you meant Jewish inmates only? I don't know how many of each of the various groups were left, but I found: "From August 1944 until mid–January 1945, approximately 65 thousand prisoners were evacuated. Among them were almost all the Poles, Russians, and Czechs in the camp (some 15 thousand people)." at http://70.auschwitz.org/index.php?Itemi ... ew=article
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Re: No queues into the kremas, aerial photos at Birkenau

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:30 am

VFX wrote:There were 6 thousand when the Soviets arrived, that is hardly anyone.
That’s a hell of a lot less than 300,000. Answer or admit it’s all horseshit.
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That is at Auschwitz. From RODOH https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... de#p130836
Fear of genocide (not actual genocide) uprooted millions of people from their homes over the course of World War II.Between 11 million and 20 million people were displaced. The majority were inmates of Nazi concentration camps, Labor camps and prisoner-of-war camps that were freed by the Allied armies. In portions of Eastern Europe, both civilians and military personnel fled their home countries in fear of advancing Soviet armies, who were preceded by widespread reports of mass rape, pillaging, looting, and murder. This was to little avail: Zhukov's Front entered Berlin from the north then expanded north-west from the Oder River. Konev's Front had chosen the southern areas of Berlin to enter from. Both Fronts continued to expand north-west in an attempt to complete a pincer movement or in other words, they were trying to encircle Berlin. On 23 April 1945, Konev's 1st Ukrainian Front finally linked up with members of Zhukov's 1st Belorussian Front, thereby ending any hope for the Germans to escape. In this pincer movement there was no escape for anyone.
The agreement reached at the Yalta Conference required in principle that all citizens of the allied powers be repatriated to their home country. The Soviet Union insisted that refugees in the American, British, and French sectors who were or at some point had been Soviet citizens be sent back to the Soviet Union. A large number of refugees resisted this, fearing that their fleeing Soviet rule had condemned them as traitors.

A number of Soviet citizens were repatriated. Many of these met with the hardship they feared, including death and confinement in the Gulags. There were also cases of kidnapping and coercion to return these refugees. Many avoided such repatriation by misrepresenting their origins, fleeing, or simply resisting. Rejecting claimed Soviet sovereignty over the Baltic states, allied officials also refused to repatriate Lithuanian, Estonian, and Latvian refugees against their will.

Similarly, a large number of refugees who were repatriated to Yugoslavia were subjected to summary executions and torture.

A large number of Poles, who later agreed to be repatriated, did in fact suffer arrest and some were executed, particularly those that had served in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, or in the Polish Resistance against the Reich.

Jewish survivors of the various work camps refused to return to their countries of origin, starting instead an extensive underground movement to migrate to the British Mandate of Palestine. Jewish Holocaust survivors typically could not return to their former homes because these no longer existed or had been expropriated by former neighbors; the few Eastern European Jews who returned often experienced renewed antisemitism. In 1945, most Jewish Holocaust survivors had little choice but to stay in the DP camps; most Jews who wanted to could not leave Europe because Britain had severely limited legal Jewish immigration to Palestine and illegal immigration was strongly curtailed. Jewish refugees hoping to reach other countries, including the United States, also met with restrictions and quotas.

The reality here is that while there was no German genocide it does appear large numbers of Jews were executed in their home countries or perished in the Gulags. Of the DPs the US admitted from eastern Europe between 1941 and 1957, 137,450 were European Jews. After World War II ended in 1945, there were 7 to 11 million displaced people living in Western Germany alone, most were absorbed into the USSR, so the whole issue is not just about Jews.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:44 am

VFX wrote:Some may still be alive, go and ask them. :roll: :roll:
Your posts ooze with stupidity, anti-Semitic venom, and misplaced arrogance. People who lost family members or whose acquaintances disappeared tried in vain after the war "go and ask them." The ITS is only the most well known service for trying to find people disappeared by the Nazis and their allies.
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Estimates suggest there were approximately 250,000 Jews in the Nazi concentration camps when World War II ended including thousands and thousands of others. Many "liberated" people had no choice but to remain in the very camps where they were imprisoned. Instead of concentration camps they were now Displaced Persons (DP) camps and they were displaced persons. For the time being they were kept in the same camps: this happened all over the Soviet Sector. Some returned to the communist Polish regime when they came back to Poland they came back to pogroms. Literal pogroms. Tens of Jews, if not hundreds, were killed, perhaps thousands.
While the WJC was supplying Nuremberg with the figure of 5.7-6 million Jews murdered, its president, Rabbi Stephen Wise, was busy sending letters from the DP camps in Germany to his friends in the US, wherein he informed them that 1.25-1.5 million Polish Jews in continental Europe were refusing to return to their homes in Poland and should be sent instead to Palestine. These numbers don't even take into account Jews of other nationalities nor Jews sent beyond the Urals!

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
VFX wrote:Some may still be alive, go and ask them. :roll: :roll:
Your posts ooze with stupidity, anti-Semitic venom, and misplaced arrogance. People who lost family members or whose acquaintances disappeared tried in vain after the war "go and ask them." The ITS is only the most well known service for trying to find people disappeared by the Nazis and their allies.
If they are alive go ask what happened. Sources cannot get more original than that.

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VFX wrote:That is at Auschwitz.
Fear of genocide (not actual genocide) uprooted millions of people from their homes over the course of World War II.Between 11 million and 20 million people were displaced. The majority were inmates of Nazi concentration camps, Labor camps and prisoner-of-war camps that were freed by the Allied armies. In portions of Eastern Europe, both civilians and military personnel fled their home countries in fear of advancing Soviet armies, who were preceded by widespread reports of mass rape, pillaging, looting, and murder. This was to little avail: Zhukov's Front entered Berlin from the north then expanded north-west from the Oder River. Konev's Front had chosen the southern areas of Berlin to enter from. Both Fronts continued to expand north-west in an attempt to complete a pincer movement or in other words, they were trying to encircle Berlin. On 23 April 1945, Konev's 1st Ukrainian Front finally linked up with members of Zhukov's 1st Belorussian Front, thereby ending any hope for the Germans to escape. In this pincer movement there was no escape for anyone.
The agreement reached at the Yalta Conference required in principle that all citizens of the allied powers be repatriated to their home country. The Soviet Union insisted that refugees in the American, British, and French sectors who were or at some point had been Soviet citizens be sent back to the Soviet Union. A large number of refugees resisted this, fearing that their fleeing Soviet rule had condemned them as traitors.

A number of Soviet citizens were repatriated. Many of these met with the hardship they feared, including death and confinement in the Gulags. There were also cases of kidnapping and coercion to return these refugees. Many avoided such repatriation by misrepresenting their origins, fleeing, or simply resisting. Rejecting claimed Soviet sovereignty over the Baltic states, allied officials also refused to repatriate Lithuanian, Estonian, and Latvian refugees against their will.

Similarly, a large number of refugees who were repatriated to Yugoslavia were subjected to summary executions and torture.

A large number of Poles, who later agreed to be repatriated, did in fact suffer arrest and some were executed, particularly those that had served in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, or in the Polish Resistance against the Reich.

Jewish survivors of the various work camps refused to return to their countries of origin, starting instead an extensive underground movement to migrate to the British Mandate of Palestine. Jewish Holocaust survivors typically could not return to their former homes because these no longer existed or had been expropriated by former neighbors; the few Eastern European Jews who returned often experienced renewed antisemitism. In 1945, most Jewish Holocaust survivors had little choice but to stay in the DP camps; most Jews who wanted to could not leave Europe because Britain had severely limited legal Jewish immigration to Palestine and illegal immigration was strongly curtailed. Jewish refugees hoping to reach other countries, including the United States, also met with restrictions and quotas.

The reality here is that while there was no German genocide it does appear large numbers of Jews were executed in their home countries or perished in the Gulags. Of the DPs the US admitted from eastern Europe between 1941 and 1957, 137,450 were European Jews. After World War II ended in 1945, there were 7 to 11 million displaced people living in Western Germany alone, most were absorbed into the USSR, so the whole issue is not just about Jews.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:54 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:FFS, reconnaissance-re·con·nais·sance
I think he meant recognizance.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:58 am

VFX wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:And then they forged documents to claim Nazis had killed them. Why, because the luuuuuv them so very, very much. :soppy:
He's got a small problem :lol:

The other day he said the Nazis threw all the Jews in occupied territories out... now he says the Red Army liberated and assimilated them...

The chimp brain at work.
The Nazis interned Jude and put them in camps via railway transportation. That is not disputed. The Soviets Liberated no one, they assimilated everyone: that is hardly liberation. Out of the frying pan into the fire. You are technically an ape as are chimps; I can call you a 'great ape". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Wrong. The question has been studied, with a 2017 book published on the numbers, chimp. Soviet evacuation of Jews into Russia?

The smilies don't help your case, they make you out to be a 14 year old with the mistaken idea you're clever.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
The smilies don't help your case, they make you out to be a 14 year old with the mistaken idea you're clever.
Well you certainly are not are you. A bit of a dim bulb to say the least.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote: Soviet evacuation of Jews into Russia?
Links to a topic within this forum has no validity. You need to do better. Try reading more it could be helpful.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:12 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
VFX wrote:eggs what do you think?
Over 7000 prisoners were present when Auschwitz was liberated - so I'm assuming you meant Jewish inmates only? I don't know how many of each of the various groups were left, but I found: "From August 1944 until mid–January 1945, approximately 65 thousand prisoners were evacuated. Among them were almost all the Poles, Russians, and Czechs in the camp (some 15 thousand people)." at http://70.auschwitz.org/index.php?Itemi ... ew=article
IIRC they all headed east or west, or wherever Elie Wiesel went.

Hungary, good exercise for him to lay out. Also, France and the Netherlands - to find, for example, the colonies of Dutch speaking Jews which Stalin sought and got. And also he might want to take the Ten City Challenge:

10 cities, Jewish population under German occupation

Warsaw 368,902 (January 1942, WELZ registration, peak close to 500,000)

Lodz 163,623 (December 1941, Lodz Chronicle, page 85, peak over 200,000)

Vilnius 60.000 (mid-June 1941, Arad, Ghetto in Flames, page 28 - German estimate 80,000)

Kiev 60,000-70,000 Jews (September 1941, Arad, The Holocaust in the Soviet Union, page 173)

Kaunas 36,000 (mid-June 1941, Arad, Ghetto in Flames, page 46; USHMM Encyclopedia has 40,000, pages 1066-1067)

Minsk 75,000+ (fall 1941, USHMM Encyclopedia, page 1234)

Bialystok 50,000 (June 1941, Bender, The Jews of Bialystok, page 93)

Riga 29,602 Latvian Jews + 22,000 Jews from the Reich, the Protectorate, and from Austria (USHMM, pages 1020-1021)

Lublin 37,000 (August 1939, USHMM Encyclopedia, page 675)

Lvov 135,000 (June 1941, Arad, The Holocaust in the Soviet Union, page 223, German source gives160,000)

Total (based on low estimate) 1,037,127

Where did the Jews of the cities go - and how does he know?

Keeping in mind that Eric Hunt failed to enlist any revisionist who could help him find a single Jew from Warsaw who was transited beyond Treblinka during from 22 July through 12 September 1942, when nearly 300,000 Jews were taken from Warsaw ghetto by the Germans.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote: Soviet evacuation of Jews into Russia?
Links to a topic within this forum has no validity. You need to do better. Try reading more it could be helpful.
Actually, links to previous posts in this forum are fine - unless someone can refute what's linked to. In this case, the thread contains a summary of the book I referenced in my post. You should learn to read, period.
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VFX wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
VFX wrote:Some may still be alive, go and ask them. :roll: :roll:
Your posts ooze with stupidity, anti-Semitic venom, and misplaced arrogance. People who lost family members or whose acquaintances disappeared tried in vain after the war "go and ask them." The ITS is only the most well known service for trying to find people disappeared by the Nazis and their allies.
If they are alive go ask what happened. Sources cannot get more original than that.
Repeating ignorant nonsense doesn't answer the objections raised to your empty assertions.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:17 am

VFX wrote:That is at Auschwitz. From RODOH https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... de#p130836
Fear of genocide (not actual genocide) uprooted millions of people from their homes over the course of World War II.
Links to posts in Rodoh ... LOL
VFX wrote:The reality here is that while there was no German genocide it does appear large numbers of Jews were executed in their home countries or perished in the Gulags. Of the DPs the US admitted from eastern Europe between 1941 and 1957, 137,450 were European Jews. After World War II ended in 1945, there were 7 to 11 million displaced people living in Western Germany alone, most were absorbed into the USSR, so the whole issue is not just about Jews.
How many European Jews went to the Soviet Union during and after the war? Your post is silent on this issue.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:18 am

VFX wrote:https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... st#p130809
Estimates suggest there were approximately 250,000 Jews in the Nazi concentration camps when World War II ended including thousands and thousands of others. Many "liberated" people had no choice but to remain in the very camps where they were imprisoned. Instead of concentration camps they were now Displaced Persons (DP) camps and they were displaced persons. For the time being they were kept in the same camps: this happened all over the Soviet Sector. Some returned to the communist Polish regime when they came back to Poland they came back to pogroms. Literal pogroms. Tens of Jews, if not hundreds, were killed, perhaps thousands.
While the WJC was supplying Nuremberg with the figure of 5.7-6 million Jews murdered, its president, Rabbi Stephen Wise, was busy sending letters from the DP camps in Germany to his friends in the US, wherein he informed them that 1.25-1.5 million Polish Jews in continental Europe were refusing to return to their homes in Poland and should be sent instead to Palestine. These numbers don't even take into account Jews of other nationalities nor Jews sent beyond the Urals!

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Are you under the impression that people here think that no Jews survived the genocide?!?!?!?!
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Re: No queues into the kremas, aerial photos at Birkenau

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Statistical Mechanic wrote: Are you under the impression that people here think that no Jews survived the genocide?!?!?!?!
There was no genocide of the Jews, but many did die. So far on this forum I have seen nothing that convinces me otherwise. As Montgomery has said: bad mouthing and arrogance is not helping your lost cause a single bit.
Rabbi wise came up with the erroneous figure of 6 million and then goes on to speak of million or so more. Yes many Jude did survive the war. So many holocaust survivors, it is quite amazing.
Here's a paper, written by a Jewish researcher, documenting what happened to at least a million Jews. Note the high death rates of the evacuees:
http://researchfellowships.americancoun ... port_0.pdf
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:27 am

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VFX wrote:That is at Auschwitz.
Fear of genocide (not actual genocide) uprooted millions of people from their homes over the course of World War II.Between 11 million and 20 million people were displaced. The majority were inmates of Nazi concentration camps, Labor camps and prisoner-of-war camps that were freed by the Allied armies. In portions of Eastern Europe, both civilians and military personnel fled their home countries in fear of advancing Soviet armies, who were preceded by widespread reports of mass rape, pillaging, looting, and murder. This was to little avail: Zhukov's Front entered Berlin from the north then expanded north-west from the Oder River. Konev's Front had chosen the southern areas of Berlin to enter from. Both Fronts continued to expand north-west in an attempt to complete a pincer movement or in other words, they were trying to encircle Berlin. On 23 April 1945, Konev's 1st Ukrainian Front finally linked up with members of Zhukov's 1st Belorussian Front, thereby ending any hope for the Germans to escape. In this pincer movement there was no escape for anyone.
The agreement reached at the Yalta Conference required in principle that all citizens of the allied powers be repatriated to their home country. The Soviet Union insisted that refugees in the American, British, and French sectors who were or at some point had been Soviet citizens be sent back to the Soviet Union. A large number of refugees resisted this, fearing that their fleeing Soviet rule had condemned them as traitors.

A number of Soviet citizens were repatriated. Many of these met with the hardship they feared, including death and confinement in the Gulags. There were also cases of kidnapping and coercion to return these refugees. Many avoided such repatriation by misrepresenting their origins, fleeing, or simply resisting. Rejecting claimed Soviet sovereignty over the Baltic states, allied officials also refused to repatriate Lithuanian, Estonian, and Latvian refugees against their will.

Similarly, a large number of refugees who were repatriated to Yugoslavia were subjected to summary executions and torture.

A large number of Poles, who later agreed to be repatriated, did in fact suffer arrest and some were executed, particularly those that had served in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, or in the Polish Resistance against the Reich.

Jewish survivors of the various work camps refused to return to their countries of origin, starting instead an extensive underground movement to migrate to the British Mandate of Palestine. Jewish Holocaust survivors typically could not return to their former homes because these no longer existed or had been expropriated by former neighbors; the few Eastern European Jews who returned often experienced renewed antisemitism. In 1945, most Jewish Holocaust survivors had little choice but to stay in the DP camps; most Jews who wanted to could not leave Europe because Britain had severely limited legal Jewish immigration to Palestine and illegal immigration was strongly curtailed. Jewish refugees hoping to reach other countries, including the United States, also met with restrictions and quotas.

The reality here is that while there was no German genocide it does appear large numbers of Jews were executed in their home countries or perished in the Gulags. Of the DPs the US admitted from eastern Europe between 1941 and 1957, 137,450 were European Jews. After World War II ended in 1945, there were 7 to 11 million displaced people living in Western Germany alone, most were absorbed into the USSR, so the whole issue is not just about Jews.
Is this yours? I found it on the Internet. :-P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displaced ... _II_Europe
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VFX wrote:That is at Auschwitz. From RODOH https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... de#p130836
Fear of genocide (not actual genocide) uprooted millions of people from their homes over the course of World War II.Between 11 million and 20 million people were displaced. The majority were inmates of Nazi concentration camps, Labor camps and prisoner-of-war camps that were freed by the Allied armies. In portions of Eastern Europe, both civilians and military personnel fled their home countries in fear of advancing Soviet armies, who were preceded by widespread reports of mass rape, pillaging, looting, and murder. This was to little avail: Zhukov's Front entered Berlin from the north then expanded north-west from the Oder River. Konev's Front had chosen the southern areas of Berlin to enter from. Both Fronts continued to expand north-west in an attempt to complete a pincer movement or in other words, they were trying to encircle Berlin. On 23 April 1945, Konev's 1st Ukrainian Front finally linked up with members of Zhukov's 1st Belorussian Front, thereby ending any hope for the Germans to escape. In this pincer movement there was no escape for anyone.
The agreement reached at the Yalta Conference required in principle that all citizens of the allied powers be repatriated to their home country. The Soviet Union insisted that refugees in the American, British, and French sectors who were or at some point had been Soviet citizens be sent back to the Soviet Union. A large number of refugees resisted this, fearing that their fleeing Soviet rule had condemned them as traitors.

A number of Soviet citizens were repatriated. Many of these met with the hardship they feared, including death and confinement in the Gulags. There were also cases of kidnapping and coercion to return these refugees. Many avoided such repatriation by misrepresenting their origins, fleeing, or simply resisting. Rejecting claimed Soviet sovereignty over the Baltic states, allied officials also refused to repatriate Lithuanian, Estonian, and Latvian refugees against their will.

Similarly, a large number of refugees who were repatriated to Yugoslavia were subjected to summary executions and torture.

A large number of Poles, who later agreed to be repatriated, did in fact suffer arrest and some were executed, particularly those that had served in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, or in the Polish Resistance against the Reich.

Jewish survivors of the various work camps refused to return to their countries of origin, starting instead an extensive underground movement to migrate to the British Mandate of Palestine. Jewish Holocaust survivors typically could not return to their former homes because these no longer existed or had been expropriated by former neighbors; the few Eastern European Jews who returned often experienced renewed antisemitism. In 1945, most Jewish Holocaust survivors had little choice but to stay in the DP camps; most Jews who wanted to could not leave Europe because Britain had severely limited legal Jewish immigration to Palestine and illegal immigration was strongly curtailed. Jewish refugees hoping to reach other countries, including the United States, also met with restrictions and quotas.

The reality here is that while there was no German genocide it does appear large numbers of Jews were executed in their home countries or perished in the Gulags. Of the DPs the US admitted from eastern Europe between 1941 and 1957, 137,450 were European Jews. After World War II ended in 1945, there were 7 to 11 million displaced people living in Western Germany alone, most were absorbed into the USSR, so the whole issue is not just about Jews.
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Re: No queues into the kremas, aerial photos at Birkenau

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:28 am

VFX wrote:Montgomery has said: bad mouthing and arrogance is not helping your lost cause a single bit.
Rabbi wise came up with the erroneous figure of 6 million and then goes on to speak of million or so more. Yes many Jude did survive the war. So many holocaust survivors, it is quite amazing.
First, in a way, given what the Nazis aimed at, and the defenselessness of the Jews during the war, it is amazing. But, when you think about it, and deal with the evidence, the task was difficult and the number of survivals actually makes sense.

Question: who here has quoted Wise to make the case for the mass murder of over 5 million Jews?
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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:33 am

I don't care about here, the official narrative of 6 million which you so strongly believe is on the rocks. The Nuremberg tribunal believed Wise. So did the world. This is a total fabrication which you support.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:41 am

VFX wrote:I don't care about here, the official narrative of 6 million which you so strongly believe is on the rocks. The Nuremberg tribunal believed Wise. So did the world. This is a total fabrication which you support.
Please show one place where any of the regulars confesses any belief in the "official narrative of 6 million". (I'm not including the irregular Iam Hazmat in this.)
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:43 am

VFX wrote:I don't care about here, the official narrative of 6 million which you so strongly believe is on the rocks.
I "believe" in an "official narrative of 6 million, " whatever that means? Like so? Or like this? Links, please, to where I support an official narrative of 6 million something or other.
VFX wrote:The Nuremberg tribunal believed Wise. So did the world. This is a total fabrication which you support.
Citations?

I've never quoted Wise on this, you are making up false charges.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:58 am

Btw your practice of lying, fabricating evidence for your claims, and making empty statements without support only makes your performance here all the more risible.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Btw your practice of lying, fabricating evidence for your claims, and making empty statements without support only makes your performance here all the more risible.
You are a liar and untruthful. You do not have a performance, which is why you were kicked out of RODOH. Of course you are not welcome back. In fact no forum would put up with your misery.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:54 am

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Btw your practice of lying, fabricating evidence for your claims, and making empty statements without support only makes your performance here all the more risible.
You are a liar and untruthful. You do not have a performance, which is why you were kicked out of RODOH. Of course you are not welcome back. In fact no forum would put up with your misery.
I was never "kicked out" of Rodoh, you ignoramus.

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Yeah, and Scott is the dishonest little {!#%@}.

He knows exactly why I stopped posting at Rodoh.

Because I told him.

He knows that my departure involved one of his moderators' posting what he believed to be personal info about a forum member including place of work. Whilst Liciotto was stomping about threatening and harassing people. He knows that I asked him how he would you like it if I publicly posted location information of deniers who wish to remain anonymous. And that I told him that I would not continue to post at his forum unless a minimum of respect was accorded both sides and severe penalties were imposed on the offending moderator.

When SS gave the moderator a wrist slap (a shorter suspension IIRC than I got for exposing been-there as an egregious plagiarist!), he knows, I told him to stuff his forum, commenting that his response was unbelievable.. . .
Link to where I was supposedly tossed from Rodoh.

And link to one lie I've told.
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Post by VFX » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:11 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
And link to one lie I've told.
How many posts have you made, that should give an approximate figure.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:14 am

So just link to any old post then - and point out the lie, idiot.

And while you're at, don't forget to post a link to something proving your false charge that I was kicked out of Rodoh.
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