'Polocaust' museum

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'Polocaust' museum

Post by Aaron Richards » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:05 am

*breathes in*


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKCN1G42F6

https://www.timesofisrael.com/polish-de ... st-museum/

I'm not laughing at the idea to create more museums for non-Jewish suffering. I'm laughing at the cringeworthy name they came up with. Jesus, man, do these people even know the meaning of the word holocaust? You can't use that as an interchangable brand name the way Indians did with Bollywood and Tollywood. I mean, I know there's been a few references to homocaust but this one takes the cake. At least the Roma call what happened to them the Romani Holocaust

If there's one thing that truly annoys me, it is Polish victimhood - when they purposely play it and present it as a "who is the bigger victim? hint: it's us, as a nation, not the jews, as a people!" game. Sickening.
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Re: 'Polocaust' museum

Post by BRoI » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:51 am

I found a reference to a Polish-American television documentary titled "Polocaust" broadcast in NY wayback in February 1982:
Luty 1982 [...]

W telewizyjnym programie amerykańskim na terenie Buffalo emitowano audycję zatytułowaną ,,Polocaust'' obrazującą męczeństwo ludzi w hitlerowskich obozach koncentracyjnych na terenie Polski Inicjatorem programu był znany działacz polonii amerykańskiej, prezes Biblioteki im A. Mickiewicza w Buffalo Marian Strzelczyk

1981 saw the publication of Auschwitz and the Allies in which Gilbert doesn't use the term "the Holocaust". Thereby proving the phrase hadn't yet gained widespread acceptance amongst Western, um, Holocaust historians.

The word "holocaust" appears four times in his book. Twice in quotations of war-time reports/documents [97/126], and once in the "Bibliographic Notes" in a description of the Yad Vashem: "the Holocaust memorial and archive, Jerusalem" [351]. The fourth and final appearance is in the book's index [360] which was obviously written by his publisher [they might have had a hand in the 3rd, imo]. The Index compiler clearly considered the war-time use of the noun 'holocaust' had a significance which eluded Gilbert who passes over its appearances without comment.
'Holocaust', the: referred to (1 December 1942),
97 and (23 March 1943), 126
"I believe that when the history of the [Great] war comes to be impartially written, the two greatest results will be the establishment of the national Jewish home and the creation of the League of Nations. The two are not really disconnected. They represent the two great ideas for which we fought and by which we conquered—the ideas of nationalism and internationalism."
- Robert Cecil, 1st Viscount Cecil of Chelwood, March 1923.

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Re: 'Polocaust' museum

Post by Denying-History » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:23 pm

The term is weird but you think they could actually make of their own term via their own language. The Ukrainians created "Holodomor" as an example or at least the emerges did.

BROI does kinda have a point we didn't really start calling the "Holocaust" by that name until it was later popularized during the 1970's by the 1978 TV miniseries.

It seems if google is right the term "Holocaust" to refer to the final solution started around 1960.
« The Terror here is a horrifying fact. There is a fear that reaches down and haunts all sections of the community. No household, however humble, apparently but what lives in constant fear of nocturnal raid by the secret police. . .This particular purge is undoubtedly political. . . It is deliberately projected by the party leaders, who themselves regretted the necessity for it. »
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Re: 'Polocaust' museum

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:11 pm

Denying-History wrote:
It seems if google is right the term "Holocaust" to refer to the final solution started around 1960.
I’ve seen the term referred to in earlier articles from the 1940’s in regards to the destruction of Europe’s Jews. The term was a catchall term referring to large calamities before that. I will agree that the term became one to exclusively refer to what happened to the Jews in the 1960’s/1970’s.
“I noticed this morning that a group of our Landsberg friends have been given their freedom this morning. These include...Schubert, Jost and Nosske. Schubert confessed to...supervising the execution of about 800 Jews...(referring to the order to clean up Simferopol)...Schubert managed to kill all the Jews (by Christmas 1941). Nosske was the one the other defendants called the biggest bloodhound....
Noel, Noel, what the hell.”
Benjamin Ferencz in a letter to Telford Taylor, December 1951