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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:49 pm

Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:53 pm

The killer had a history of mental illness. Motives don’t look clear to me, the man shouted that the mayor’s political party sent him to jail.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:42 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/p ... kDcN8u8ltg

Well, it’s a start but voters keep putting this jackass in office.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:53 am

The Republicans are trying to use the moment to pretend that racism and white nationalism are not part of their brand: faux outrage, tough actions, King punished, problem solved and the party gets off scot-free. They hope. But consider what these men embrace from their Leader.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:39 pm

As nationalism works its magic in the UK, Sweden appears to be on the cusp of (finally) getting a new government, 4 months after the indecisive election there.

Jonas Sjöstedt, party leader of the Left, has met with Stefan Löfven, head of the Social Democrats and candidate for prime minister in the 4-party deal, and today told the press that Löfven, contrary to the terms of the 4-party deal (the "January agreement"), acknowledges Left influence in some areas. Sjöstedt stated that the Left plans to accept Löfven as prime minister. His rationale is that if the Left votes "nej," Sweden will get a right-wing government. That said, the Left will, promised Sjöstedt, put forward a no confidence measure should the new government move too far to the right on housing or workers' rights.

Aftonbladet has a number of pieces highly critical of all party leaders besides Sjöstedt: ". . . the left leader [Sjöstedt] turned out to be the adult in the room. He promises that during the next term, the party will be a clear opposition. He explained that he would never support the loosening of job security or housing reforms, and he threatened to attempt to dismiss all the prime ministers who put such proposals. In practice, he thus threatens Stefan Löfven with a declaration of no confidence if he were to complete those parts of the 73-point program. . . . Sweden gets a government, and it becomes a government that is not dependent on the Sweden Democrats. We should thank Jonas Sjöstedt for that. Already today, Sweden got something else, a left-wing opposition. When you look at the political situation, it's actually not that bad."

Three quarters of voters are critical of the deal-making that has led to the weak, new government. I've not seen coverage of the Sweden Democrats' views on the new government or January agreement.

So far the Center and Liberal party have said that they will allow Löfven's election as prime minister, despite all the mixed messages and confusion. Jan Björklund, Liberal leader, said that Sjöstedt has been preening and that the 4-party deal remains intact, without alteration. The speaker of the Riksdag will nominate Löfven today, with voting to take place Friday.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:32 pm

Following today's PMQ's following May's historic Brexit defeat I have to say that May does drone on drearily.

May has the personality and enthusiasm of a reel-to-reel tape player on the fritz: MPs must accept the referendum result, she will now try talking to MPs to find out what they will accept, the referendum was the referendum, the MPs must be constructive, it is the duty of the government to deliver what is to be delivered, it is important to honor the referendum result, she will meet with MPs but they must keep in mind their duty to deliver. On and on.

Whatever the question - what plan B might look like, what red lines will move, what about a people's vote - May repeats one of her readymade non-answers.

It is not for nothing that they call her Maybot. I keep wanting the machine to spit the tape out and come completely unraveled; instead, the same loops play over and over mechanically.

In a just world, May would be laughed out of office, but, sadly, British politics are as dysfunctional as politics in many other countries.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:37 pm

Sweden: There is a great deal of discontent among the Vänsterpartiets (the Left party's) rank and file, aggravated by what members are calling "the humiliation clause" (no influence), with Sjöstedt's decision to accept the right-center government which the January agreement brokered. Typical are comments from former MP Rossana Dinamarca:
The Left party's message is a historic mistake. The chance of influence has passed us by. The Left Party now releases a sosseled [social democratic-ified] right government without getting anything for it. Oral promises that Löfven will fight for old V[Left]-reforms that have disappeared to come back during the mandate period are far from enough for a party that had a pivotal position. Threats to make a declaration of no-confidence that require more MPs than the Left Party has are nothing but empty words. We had a pivotal role which we hav given away for free.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:06 pm

Sweden: It is not only in the Left party that the January Agreement is causing dissension. Three prominent Greens last week quit their party in protest, arguing that a united left opposition would have been more effective in advancing the Greens' goals than a right-center government. Among the Social Democrats, some are protesting that the Agreement abandons the party's historic role as champion of Swedish workers and of the labor movement. Among the provisions of the January Agreement - which include relaxed labor protections, lower taxes, and so-called free market reforms in housing and other areas - are less stringent immigration controls (the Center party is unabashedly pro-immigration): this leads also to the fear that the Agreement will strengthen the Sweden Democrats' (and their new allies, the Moderate party and Christian Democrats) via immigration backlash. The previous Social Democratic-led government had chopped immigration and refugee entry dramatically.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:21 pm

excellent opinion piece from the NY Times on Poland (I have close Polish friends who every time I get together with them say things very similar to what the writer says here): "A Mayor Is Murdered, a Country Hums With Violence: In Poland, hateful language is ubiquitous. Its consequences can be deadly."
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:21 pm
excellent opinion piece from the NY Times on Poland (I have close Polish friends who every time I get together with them say things very similar to what the writer says here): "A Mayor Is Murdered, a Country Hums With Violence: In Poland, hateful language is ubiquitous. Its consequences can be deadly."
Thanks, posted info on his death above. Original reports stated what the killer said and his mental illness.

The article highlights the issue when the state becomes aggressive and intolerant. This filters through and makes it the new normal which is what we are seeing not only in Poland but here.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:49 pm

Freedom House annual report: Democracy in Retreat: Freedom in the World 2019
US FREEDOM IN DECLINE
The great challenges facing US democracy did not commence with the inauguration of President Donald Trump. Intensifying political polarization, declining economic mobility, the outsized influence of special interests, and the diminished influence of fact-based reporting in favor of bellicose partisan media were all problems afflicting the health of American democracy well before 2017. Previous presidents have contributed to the pressure on our system by infringing on the rights of American citizens. Surveillance programs such as the bulk collection of communications metadata, initially undertaken by the George W. Bush administration, and the Obama administration’s overzealous crackdown on press leaks are two cases in point.

At the midpoint of his term, however, there remains little question that President Trump exerts an influence on American politics that is straining our core values and testing the stability of our constitutional system. No president in living memory has shown less respect for its tenets, norms, and principles. Trump has assailed essential institutions and traditions including the separation of powers, a free press, an independent judiciary, the impartial delivery of justice, safeguards against corruption, and most disturbingly, the legitimacy of elections. Congress, a coequal branch of government, has too frequently failed to push back against these attacks with meaningful oversight and other defenses.

We recognize the right of freely elected presidents and lawmakers to set immigration policy, adopt different levels of regulation and taxation, and pursue other legitimate aims related to national security. But they must do so according to rules designed to protect individual rights and ensure the long-term survival of the democratic system. There are no ends that justify nondemocratic means.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:43 pm

Cas Mudde's view is that the Davos set are embracing right-wing "populism," or at least "welcoming" its exponents, just as they embraced Trump last year: "The Davos set are cosying up to the far right – and scared of the left"
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:51 am

The Sweden Democrats have said that they will no longer advocate for Swexit, giving two reasons: first, lack of support in Sweden for the idea of leaving the EU; second, the UK's Brexit {!#%@}.
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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:56 pm

I’m going to put this here because I don’t know where else it fits:
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.pre ... -1.6936533

I follow the Auschwitz Museum on Twitter. They tweet photos and other information that I find valuable. We’ve also noted their tendency to correct inaccuracies.

But I also noted that there are a lot of Polish nationalist that tweet. They are really blatant about it, Sergey spends as much time dealing with them as regular deniers.

I know there is a struggle between these museums and political needs of the heads of the countries that host them. I remember reading a story on Yad Vashem not too long ago where it was mentioned that authoritarian leaders like Orban were visiting.

It’s bad when the museums get caught up in political BS.

BTW this came from a Pole that I follow and generally enjoy:

Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:38 pm

https://thehill.com/opinion/internation ... ady-making

assessment of the situation for populists in Europe today (when data on Germany's economy show it just missed slipping into recession, when Brexit jitters scare off investment, when Italy's economy barely sputters, and when Europe as a whole - battered by "Tory" austerity and populist idiocy - stumbles along economically) and what is to be done . . .
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on labor reform and austerity in Europe: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/busi ... e=Homepage
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Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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The undeniable Maurrasianisim of the Yellow Vests - an expose. This ilk deserves the ring of the truncheon thing. And mace, lots and lots of it.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:31 am

A terrifying case of the Islamization of a European city, in this case, Gävle, 2 hours north of Stockholm - bravely exposed by the Sweden Democrats, RT, Sputnik News, a conservative Polish wedsite Najwyższy Czas, the alt-right Voice of Europe, and Origo, a Hungarian news site.

That is, by nationalist hooligans.

People, especially credulous nationalists, fall for this dishonest, racist {!#%@}. It is dangerous.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:30 pm

May's European parliament elections are the next big test for Heroic Centrism vs Right-Wing Nationalism. Polling in Sweden shows the following breakdown in current support for different parties, with a note on change from last elections:

- Social Democrat Party (centrist): 27.5 percent (+1 seat, from 5 to 6)
- Sweden Democrat Party (right-wing nationalist): 18 percent (+2 seats, from 2 to 4)
- Moderate Party (right wing moving toward alliance with nationalists): 16.4 percent (+1 seat, from 3 to 4)
- Left Party: 10 percent (might gain 1 seat)
- Christian Democrat Party (right wing also moving to alliance with nationalists): 8.6 percent (likely to gain 1 seat)
- Green Party (environmentally oriented party, leans slightly left of center): 6.4 percent (will lose 2 seats most likely)
- Centre Party (classic liberal party): 5.8 percent (may hold even; despite brokering the deal for Sweden's new government, their support appears to be declining)
- Liberal Party (classic liberal party): 3.8 percent (will lost 1 or 2 seats)
- Feminist Initiative: 1.2 percent

Overall, prospects are for a shift to the right with the far-right Sweden Democrats gaining the most.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:53 pm

Time was the anti-vax sentiment wasn't necessarily focused on the loon right . . . things change, and according to The Daily Beast the movement is increasingly allied with the populist right: "Anti-Vaxxers Are Cozying Up to the Far Right Online: They’re anti-science and conspiratorial. Together, they’re building a right-wing populist, measle-stricken future."
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Time was the anti-vax sentiment wasn't necessarily focused on the loon right . . . things change, and according to The Daily Beast the movement is increasingly allied with the populist right: "Anti-Vaxxers Are Cozying Up to the Far Right Online: They’re anti-science and conspiratorial. Together, they’re building a right-wing populist, measle-stricken future."
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Great webpage, thanks!
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
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Great webpage, thanks!
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This is nice:
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Persecution of a religious minority:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -crackdown
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:40 am

Right-wing nationalist-populist upsurge for EU elections . . . ?

In Sweden polling for the EU parliament elections in May shows some significant changes since the last vote.

Social Democrats (S) 25.5% (up 1.3%)
Sweden Democrats (SD) 14.3% (up 4.6%)
Moderates (M) 13.7% (n/c)
Left party (V) 10.3 (up 4.3%)
Center party (C) 9.2% (up 2.9%)
Greens (G) 9.2% (down 6.2%)
Christian Democrats (KD) 8.9% (up 3.0%)
Liberals (L) 5.0% (down 4.9%)
Feminist Initiative (Fi) 1.2% (down 4.3%)

Two biggest party gainers: Sweden Democrats, Left
Three biggest party losers: Greens, Liberals and Fi

The nationalist Sweden Democrats continue their strength, having come in third in the national elections last September. The far right Christian Democrats, now willing to talk to the SD, appear to be strengthening as well. The combined far right (my classification) polls at 23.2% vs 14.3% in '14.

The combined right (SD+M+KD) stands at nearly 37% - vs 29% in '14 - all the increase with the two most right-wing, nationalist parties.

Although the Left's gains are impressive from a party pov, the combined Left+Green+Fi polling is down quite a bit, now just shy of 20% vs 27+% in '14.

Thus, the Greens and Fi continue their steady collapse (draining voters to the Left?).

And since the election the Liberals have struggled. The right-center (L+C), now supporting the SD-Green government, polls at 14.2 - vs 15.4% in '14.
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Good, maybe it’s the start of a trend.
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

Groening:
“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:31 pm

. . . all right we are two nations . . .

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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:47 pm

A new General Plan East? Shall we call that “General Plan Italy?”
Question for Groening by a reporter:
“Mr. Groening, what do you say to those who still deny the Holocaust?”

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“Nothing. They are hopelessly lost.”


Hhhhhhhmmmmmm, is it possible that Carlo Mattogno is the greatest scholar the world has ever known?
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Re: Populism and Nationalism in Europe Today

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:35 am

. . . all right we are two nations . . .